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shinohai: Yeah upon further investigation I decided it was
a non-event.
shinohai: I was at the liquor store and was like "Hey danielpbarron made
a blog post about some drink today, lemme try that!"
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron> this having
a blog thing is pretty sweet; wish I started it sooner! << HA!
danielpbarron: started with the impulse to post something on twatter, pasted it into
a draft instead, and expanded from there.
danielpbarron: this having
a blog thing is pretty sweet; wish I started it sooner! I got
a finished article in the hopper, and
a stub still to be fleshed out.
mircea_popescu: then one day you eat the wrong end of
a lovage leaf and holy shit you're covered in hives.
mircea_popescu: he's
a fuycking spirochete. does useful shit until govt shows up.
mircea_popescu: you know... we aren't using this shit for
a [number of] reasons.
mircea_popescu: "This patch also fixes
a memory leak of opt.keyserver en passant." << first rule of koch, drepper, weiner & all nsa goons : ALWAYS bundle new vulns with memory leak fixes etc.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: now that's
a thought-provoker.
shinohai: I warned you I was
a very green journalist.
BingoBoingo: shinohai: It's
a lulzy thing, but it needs more of
a hook
mircea_popescu: so that someone asking for
a payment to address x already has skin in the game - whatever it cost him to make the address.
assbot: Logged on 04-03-2016 21:19:30; mircea_popescu: for instance (and plox, before we run off with it - example only!) : if every tx was defined as "only 1 input - only 1 output" and if you wanted to make
a larger payment youy'd have to make MULTIPLE txn, then
a) the protocol would actually make
a lot more sense, atomicity-wise and b) you wouldn't have the problems jurov describes. because pay x to y with fee z would exist EXACTLY one way.
shinohai: Just realized I had
a misspelling in that dpaste I sent BingoBoingo
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Do two or three brides for
a container of thistle seed is possibru?
BingoBoingo wonders how hot
a bride one can acquire from Argentina in 12 months by bartering
a 40 foot container of nyger seed
mircea_popescu: i just put that there to generally and pars pro toto show that when i say bitcoin is
a steaming pile of shit, and broadly an undesigned kludge i mean very specific things.
mircea_popescu: (yes i'm aware that the above example allows no payments other than in multiples of 50 btc for
a while, then multiples of 25, and EVENTUALLY in sasothis. MIND YOU that this is
a feature and what you are using now
a bug - da fuck do you do when the coinbase is split up in all the satoshis it could be ? ha ? oh, "works for you as it is" ? ty.)
mircea_popescu: for instance (and plox, before we run off with it - example only!) : if every tx was defined as "only 1 input - only 1 output" and if you wanted to make
a larger payment youy'd have to make MULTIPLE txn, then
a) the protocol would actually make
a lot more sense, atomicity-wise and b) you wouldn't have the problems jurov describes. because pay x to y with fee z would exist EXACTLY one way.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: anyway, back to the issue. having nodes discard dupes is in principle stupid ; having nodes discard dupes on
a first-seen basis is entirely warantless ; trying to run an implementation of this design will run into problems.
mircea_popescu: must be frustrating. well, generally
a good starting point of understanding
a problem is, making
a list of observed cases.
mircea_popescu: i think i had moneys-something in there for
a while also, or whatever.
mircea_popescu: i have no fucking idea, it's
a random string. it certainly didn't have some sort of intention, and i was certainly not thinking of you.
mircea_popescu: EVEN if you build
a tree - which you do not, chiefly because don't know how - you STILL lose out on the rebalancings
mircea_popescu: producing the equivalent of penises with
a clitoral hood and cunts with
a bit of penile foreskin and on and on.
jurov: either there's
a state machine that considers other txen in mempool, or no conflict resolution, there's no third way
mircea_popescu: and the idiots that made
a state machine out of the fucking relays are so stupid it's basically inhuman.
mircea_popescu: the overarching design principle being that ALL the information deciding the treatment of
a txn MUST BE ~COMPLETELY~ in the txn in question.
mircea_popescu: certainly ANY relay that currently drops on the floor
a VALIDLY SIGNED txn is broken. no possible argument here.
mircea_popescu: and if one day
a double jurov appears, your wife better fuck BOTH of you, and well, or else she gets beaten.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo should i do
a small piece on argentina or really too far off scope ? << Go for it
CryptoSiD: feel like
a freenode star right now:D
mircea_popescu: PeterL honestly i suspect it's more of
a "we're slowly outgrowing this quaint historical convention where it's what's done."
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the way my intel works is that i don't give
a shit about the source data, i read summaries of summaries. but god fucking help you if i go for
a endpoint-to-endpoint spot check and the whole conduit isn't there.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform recall the lulz i had in the logs when it was discovered the icbc, an economic institution with
a sheet larger than the entire us banking sector, was actually NOT EVEN TRADED in the us ?
mircea_popescu: it has its own head. and this is
a serious problem for the pretense of central planning, because they effectively suck down resources.
mircea_popescu: it is NOT
a usg crown hedgefund anymore than romania was
a soviet property.
mircea_popescu: notably enough : romania told the soviets to shut it, and as
a result the policy was updated to allow people (ie, romania) to do w/e it pleases.
mircea_popescu: you can replace the ~100 trn worth ivy league & friends that do
a 10-20 bn spending on actual hardware each year and otherwise shuffle paper on the exchanges with
a new-and-improved thing worth ~1-2 bn that spends 50 bucks on mcdonalsa
a year.
mircea_popescu: you gotta re-doi the overlay on the header tho, i can see the edges and
a nose/hairline of
a guy in the irght
mircea_popescu: not
a comment on the language -
a comment on the mentality. "oh this box is not good". fine. "oh this other box is not yet ready". fine. whatever all this may mean in the ideal world of ideals, what it means in practice is that - never happened.
mircea_popescu: this has been
a perfect case of typically lispian self-sabotage, for the record.
mircea_popescu: shinohai i don't get it, person should go through 1-200ish gallons of water
a year, every year. what's the problem there ?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo should i do
a small piece on argentina or really too far off scope ?
assbot: Logged on 04-03-2016 16:41:20; mircea_popescu: "no such dept" not even
a half-bad idea.
mircea_popescu: you should start wearing round glasses and
a pickaxe hole in the temple already.
mircea_popescu: in other news, according to reddit i am by far the bitcoiner most likely to have
a collection of human body parts in my fridge.
mircea_popescu: skate/stake/steak/on the take etc bla bla, enough rhymes in there for
a full rap album.
PeterL: And is that going to be classified under "advertising expenses" since it got the bitbet name out in
a bunch of media?
PeterL: With bitbet doublesending the Jeb Bush bet, are they going to have to take out
a bridge loan from MPIF again?
davout: tbh i don't know, what i know is that there won't be any bullshit like "oh btw, withdrawals on chain [
A|B] are deprecated"
thestringpuller: i remember when MP exposed them as
a scam way back in 2012
davout: "
A weird exchange nobody really trades on, Orderbook.net, has run into some trouble with the CFTC."
davout: reddit dude sums it up nicely "Even though every contract has
a counterpart, think of whole thing conceptually as being somewhat pooled with no specific counterparty and the winning traders jointly as bagholders of last resort."
davout: kindof reads to me like "ohai, we're offering x100 leverage, but because we can't be sure to liquidate positions properly, we spread losses on everyone who actually made
a profit"