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dorion_road: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-23#1955968 << I couldn't when I read the question. I looked into the etymology and gather imminence refers to projection and immanence refers to inherence.
BingoBoingo: mp_en_viaje: I'll request mike_c produce his last statement issued by MPEx
mp_en_viaje: you're not even a witness here, to be producing something like say the smickles affidavit. so far the only way that thing can be classified as is a letter of credit, i guess ? you're saying i should give mike_c some dough as you think he's good for it ?
mp_en_viaje: the basis for a claim tuesday can't be a document signed thursday. even if whoever signs it has the autority, which i dun see how you have here.
BingoBoingo: mp_en_viaje: I'm not saying whether you should pay the money or not. I am saying it would be consistent with the way you've worn the MPEx CEO hat before to pay. You, ultimately, are free to decide to pay or not pay. My client paid me to introduce his interests to the forum, otherwise his interests would have gone unrepresented and certainly unpaid.
mp_en_viaje: BingoBoingo, i don't get it, so the idea is i should pay money because you say so ?
BingoBoingo: diana_coman: I apologize for addressing points for the record in a manner that appears to be addressing them to you specifically.
diana_coman: ftr, I wasn't either asking for or indeed expecting the sort of "this must be paid no matter what", no idea where you took that from.
BingoBoingo: diana_coman: I don't think anyone present here in is hallucinating that, but not all log readers are here.
BingoBoingo: diana_coman: MPEx is built on GPG contracts upheld voluntarily. Introducing "these GPG contracts must be upheld always and forever no matter the cost as if they were fiat contracts" would be subversion. For that, in representing the claim I can't say "This must be paid no matter what" or other constructions along that line without attacking a
diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-21#1955881 - fwiw, I read through this deed; I hope that is not all of "making the case" as BingoBoingo_ sees it.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-04 22:48:05 Mocky: I fell down a rabbit hole
mp_en_viaje: i had a list of these to get to later, now's that later, boy howdy what a string. apparently this dcu thing's working out.
mp_en_viaje: meanwhile I am nothing in particular, because I have done nothing in particular... man, the gems just keep on coming.
mp_en_viaje: if it weren't for those guys, all there'd be on tv would be bronco busting, wrestling an' etcetera. look up Bonnie McCarroll & women bronc riding to see the fuck i mean.
mp_en_viaje: wut is this java bullshit, "oh, i've been fucking three women". mocky.org/three-nude-sluts when!
Mocky: BingoBoingo: I have it, looks good. Thank you
Mocky: trinque: I made a deposit, please let me know once you've had a chance to process it
Mocky: I do. text me anytime
lobbes: Mocky: you still got the same # I wager? If so I'll hit you up in 2020 and we can figure something out
Mocky: sounds good. I'll def have time. What's got you travelling?
lobbes: Mocky: lol, sounds fun at least. Listen, I owe you a lunch one of these days (I still feel like a dick for making you wait that last time). I'll be out of state until January, but if you're free sometime early next year I dun mind making the trek up to your neck of the woods
Mocky: I've cut back back to 1 chick for now, have some of my time back again
Mocky: treating me well but I haven't been managing it well. I went a little overboard trying to earn more money and seeing three chicks at the same time. I exceeded my capacity to manage it.
Mocky: oh thank you. I'm pretty sure I have everything but would use the backup to double check
BingoBoingo: Evening. Mocky I have a backup of your materials that were hosted at Pizarro.
trinque: still when dealing with heaping shitpiles of accidental complexity, I'd warn that manager to keep his declaratives close.
mp_en_viaje: there's tremendous difference between "i want something like that but with a better face" and "i want a great looking woman that's my 5th grade classmate from back in jr high".
mp_en_viaje: the main thrust of my earlier comments was that it's likely you'll have to moderate your expectations. there's a humongous difference between what i mean by nice and what i suspect behind your "place-and-period" indication. in approximate math terms, you want something 3 or 4 sigmas away from what i want.
trinque: at any rate, got one I'll put on the blog when the lawyers are done with it.
trinque: I'd buy it, and as I've said http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2017-06-23#1674066
trinque: mp_en_viaje: I suspect that's an ethnowot, but what do I know.
mp_en_viaje: in other lulz, /me surveying thoroughly harvested resource nodes : "damn, how come every time i find a rare it's 0/5. i should kill all the other players." then, after some reflectiion : "the problem's if i killed them all, who'd then buy all my shit". helpful slavegirl : "maybe you should put them in buying internment camp". /me thinking about it "i guess that's what the us actually is".
mp_en_viaje: trinque, i don't expect 1960s tx is reproducible outside of a hard reset. highly coherent, profoundly skilled workforce in a complete worldview will absolutely require the conditions that spawned them, and will necessarily dissolve once the solvents show up.
BingoBoingo: trinque: Maybe rural UY in the sense of the departments of Maldonado, Flores, or Rocha. I've not yet investigated out there yet.
trinque: mp_en_viaje: I'm curious, in all your travels, whether you've found another tolerable outpost.
BingoBoingo: Alright. I'll reorganize and start over.
mp_en_viaje: and otherwise, i'm not going to go through the rest of this drunken braying. start over, and start over like you know what the fuck you're doing.
mp_en_viaje: i should kick you off of this case altogether, that's literally the dumbest possible move available to you.
BingoBoingo: mp_en_viaje: Aite, I will draft and enter a deed.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-19 10:03:44 BingoBoingo: mp_en_viaje: Despite the long absence mike_c has made a substantial act of submission to the Republican power structure as gated by the Web of Trust. Over time, the bar for demonstrations of submission made by absentees that should have known better... I can only see it rising. Hence the screw turns clarification on the strategy last night
ericbot: Logged on 2019-12-19 17:50:35 BingoBoingo: Under my original proposal in the event mike_c's coin was not returned I would have refunded him 10 BTC reducing the damage to 25 BTC. Under this structure, mike_c is out 30 BTC minimum, outcome independent.
lobbes: fwiw I can see how it can be argued as submission, primarily because BingoBoingo's client has agreed to pay a fee regardless of the outcome.
lobbes: BingoBoingo: So if I'm understanding correctly, your argument rests on two things: 1) one must demonstrate submission to Republican processes (thus recognizing the sovereignty of tmsr) 2) your client has demonstrated submission with his acceptance to pay you 30 btc for voice
BingoBoingo: Anyways, we've got this Republic which is sovereign. We've got a lord of lords in MP. Does not paying mike_c maximize coin that certainly stays inside TMSR, sure. Does not paying mike_c reduce the space in which Lords can credibly extract rents from those who've touched Pantsuit in the past, I very strongly suspect so. If we consider the cause of increasing the power of the Lordship over Pantsuit Delusonists...
diana_coman: so then I have no idea what it is.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-19 10:03:44 BingoBoingo: mp_en_viaje: Despite the long absence mike_c has made a substantial act of submission to the Republican power structure as gated by the Web of Trust. Over time, the bar for demonstrations of submission made by absentees that should have known better... I can only see it rising. Hence the screw turns clarification on the strategy last night
diana_coman: BingoBoingo: I really hope this case is not going to be argued on "perceived signals of decision A vs those of decision B".
diana_coman: and moreover I don't think it's signalling that should be a concern really (in this case or in another).
diana_coman: BingoBoingo: uhm, no, I don't agree on either points.
diana_coman: anyway, I admit by now I'm quite curious as to what the others in L1 have to say.
diana_coman: ugh, I don't like much this precedent on precedent alone but maybe that's just me.
diana_coman: in the case where MPEx does not pay him out, I don't see how he has a say into what happens to the coin so I fail to see how is that part meaningful; if he wants the coin to be paid to asciilifeform entirely then he can do so once he gets it, no? if he doesn't get it, then he can't say what is to be done with it.
BingoBoingo: diana_coman: If someone comes on a day after mike_c is paid out by MPEx, I can't imagine this hypothetical next person would receive any offer for voice nearly as cheap as 30 BTC.
BingoBoingo: The fact that he valued voice, whether MPEx pays him out or not... I don't see how that isn't submission. In his best case he gets coin out, maybe he does turn it all over to hostile parties. He agreed that in his worst case where MPEx does not pay him out... his coin stays with Republican interests.
diana_coman: ftr I do NOT mean that he shouldn't get the coin or anything of the sort; I literally mean what I say above namely that I don't see how does that qualify for submission.
diana_coman: that's where I find it hard to buy the "submission" thing, at the "get it to use it outside" bit.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-17 05:00:55 mp_en_viaje: i get we're basically getting scammed by the duplicitous nature of the lazy, and will be, forever. cuz that's how the world goes, that's how laziness survives as a survival mechanism in the first place. but i'd much rather we understand each other on the topic, than it just proceed on my authority and then whatever, ten years later it'll be "mp just shouldn't have paid all these asshats" or who the fuck knows what
BingoBoingo: I really don't see how in this case mike_c could have demonstrated "non-aggression" alone. For his action, he actively acknowledged WoT supremacy. For his recognition of WoT supremacy, laziness has a demonstrable cost.
diana_coman: BingoBoingo: it's not about what I "want" to call it.
BingoBoingo: diana_coman: Note also what mike_c did not do. He did not go shopping around for a lower bidding lord after I gave him the strategy and then clarified the strategy, catching him up on where the Republic has advanced during his absence.
BingoBoingo: Under my original proposal in the event mike_c's coin was not returned I would have refunded him 10 BTC reducing the damage to 25 BTC. Under this structure, mike_c is out 30 BTC minimum, outcome independent.
diana_coman: hm; I think it shows non-agressiveness; whether submission, I don't quite see it.
BingoBoingo: diana_coman: Right. As asciilifeform is still politically alligned with the Republic, I find the proposal agreeable in creating a second opportunity to demonstrate continuing submission.
ossabot: (asciilifeform) 2019-12-18 mike_c: BingoBoingo: I changed my mind, and my offer to hire you: I send you fee of 30 BTC (same amount the mpex account cost coincidentally). If you lose the case and I don't recover my dividend, you send 10 BTC to ascii (nothing to me). If you win and I do recover, then I send 10 BTC to ascii (and you keep the 30). in case of partial recovery, i dunno, we do something gentlemanly.
diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-19#1955792 - how do you reason to get to the conclusion that the qntra contribution is cheaper alternative? The way I see it, the choice clearly spells that mike_c considers the 30 btc as the cheaper option compared to putting in the effort& time on qntra for the interval you requested.
BingoBoingo: In the general case I see a -1 or -2 negrating as a sort of "caution", but I find it hard to read a -10 as anything other than the recipient being marked as future salt-pork that happens to maybe be on the hoof at the time of rating.
BingoBoingo: mp_en_viaje: Despite the long absence mike_c has made a substantial act of submission to the Republican power structure as gated by the Web of Trust. Over time, the bar for demonstrations of submission made by absentees that should have known better... I can only see it rising. Hence the screw turns clarification on the strategy last night
diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-18#1955640 - the only possible way I can see is exactly as it seems to be set to go aka negrated may find someone to speak for them and based on the arguments presented a decision will be made; not sure what more can be directly said/specified upfront and in general.
mp_en_viaje: goes quite well after a lazy breakfast consisting of a sampler of halva we bought in this little shop in the edirne bazaar (which is pretty fucking cool btw), assorted dried fruits, ayran, tahin, chestnuts an' whatnot. i'm very roundly sated and just as thoroughly satisfied.
mp_en_viaje: i mean uh. the word's the same, ye olde beran, but the participle / past tense of it is "borne" in all cases when you're not talking of actual birth.
mp_en_viaje: what's more, this has played out quite a few times to date, it either dies from inconsequence ("and so who the fuck are you and him anyways ?"), is resolved through some kinda mediation ("how about instead of fucking each other you do x and live ?") or else "you/him is a complete fuckwad, get the fuck lost, i can't even believe you can have this problem."
mp_en_viaje: anyway, to get back to the "recourse from negrating" thing -- you and him argue, i'm definitely getting stuck with making some choices. there's no out of this, and it doesn't matter what you load into "you, him, i".
mp_en_viaje: speaking of which, anyone recall back in the bitbet pioneering shutdown days, when i proposed a process and ben_vulpes got all suspicious, "omfg, he aims to keep it!!!"
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-18 22:36:59 trinque: it's worth mentioning at this point that I'm a deeply self-critical man. obviously the airgapped wallet approach is exactly what I did with deedbot
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-18#1955686 << but obviously the forestated problem is there ; especially ~with anonymity~ baked in. which is a problem, which i've discussed on trilema because of this, but it's also very difficult to digest. it's one of those "against-the-grain" problems, like the problemi of the 20yo not getting excited.
mp_en_viaje: not that i'm saying you're wrong in some kinda absolute way. but... well, gotta moderate expectations.
mp_en_viaje: (meanwhile, of course, if you go for the willing, well... you know. like curing the deaf, "i think i can hear better now" "really ?" "yeah, if i get really excited about it, kinda feels like i'm hearing". "bitch... please.")
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-18 22:32:19 trinque: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-18#1955611 << rather, I favor the approach of finding someone whose business processes suck, and who manages a good chunk of money
mp_en_viaje: i'd say it's the one true abailable & possible reeaction of the original act.
mp_en_viaje: but i must say, there's something in no way short of fabulous in taking a woman to a place completely incomprehensible, structured in manners irreducible to her own experience, and demaning a choice, and then applying the choice. "you want this ? a you do ? ok, now drink it!"
mp_en_viaje: that's it for now on mp's graduate beer alternatives course. till we get to egypt at least i guess.
mp_en_viaje: speaking of which i stuffed the sluts fulla boza yest. which they fucking love, above kvas even (found some utterly delish sweet kvas depicted on left)
BingoBoingo: Both visits were pleasant. Now that I'm not tied to a rack I'll certainly have to see Northern Latino lands.
BingoBoingo: mp_en_viaje: The shortlist came from channels with folks I've eaten pizza with this month.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-18 22:07:57 BingoBoingo: mike_c: I recommend you hop into #agriculturalsupremacy #asciilifeform or #ossasepia to speak.
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-18#1955673 << well... in #asciilifeform to commiserate, i guess. otherwise there's also #trinque and iirc #spyked
BingoBoingo: mp_en_viaje: It's grinding, have not yet found half of 500 without turning towards the US. Will end up posting disk destruction pics tomorrow as 2 WoT'd folks viewed. 500 DC's I applied to blogging may not happen without applying to ones inside the zone.
BingoBoingo: mp_en_viaje: Tonight was the "fin de año" gathering at the Cowork, just the same as when I arrived 12-7-2017. Crowd noticably smaller this year.
mp_en_viaje: i dun expect the present generation's ever getting out again.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-18 21:57:33 BingoBoingo: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-18#1955608 << mp_en_viaje Aite, I have a sound argument. Gets more expensive every time it is played. Seems to be the strongest in favor of mike_c if only he takes it. Waited roughly a day to give him the deets http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-18#1955594
mp_en_viaje: they worship, i whorship, just as long as it's not the workshop who the he'lls to worry sheep.
mp_en_viaje: i wonder if anyone in istanbul's having as much fun as me post morning calls to prayer.
trinque: if anyone, I'd want a man unwilling to steal, so help him god, running the money tables
trinque: it would call all my ratings into question if I could simply snatch the coins of anyone I negrated
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-18 19:20:11 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-17#1955571 << consider the matter of services. this question pops in all over the place, alf was all over trinque re "what happens with deedbot if i get negrated". i din't invent this question, it's been recurring, mod6 asked me at some point something similar
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-18 19:04:35 jfw: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-14#1955376 - to make my reasons for inclusion by reference rather than importing trees explicit, even if bad: on my own I was certainly in no position to pay the maintenance debts of all those projects, so I wanted some separation between my own work and them. As I see it now, the trouble is this doesn't actually solve anything if you still have to use
trinque: but what I do isn't thereby gold
trinque: it's worth mentioning at this point that I'm a deeply self-critical man. obviously the airgapped wallet approach is exactly what I did with deedbot
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-18 18:54:55 jfw: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-14#1955362 - that'd be why I'm sewing an air-gapped wallet by hand. No amount of software-level patching can protect 1000btc sitting on networked PC I figure.