asciilifeform: just about every literate young d00d in usa has at one point or another turned down (or accepted, and lived to regret) 200+k usd in sv
asciilifeform: (incidentally a general who steps anywhere near the battlefield, gets hazard bonus, tax-free-enablement, and several other additions to pay)
asciilifeform: one possible theory is that crapple drummed up the hysteria, their headphonejackless marvel was due for release that week iirc.
asciilifeform: i went on airplane in october and there were signs hanging of 'if you have this-here, put it in this fireproof rubbish bin before boarding, or go home'
asciilifeform: well yes. mircea_popescu used to teach, right ? how did he determine which idiot cribbed off which other idiot on exam
asciilifeform: you can, but it will be readily apparent to be a later work than the earlier that you will presumably be 'filing the serial numbers off'
asciilifeform pictures, what if it had been an esp8266 in a bar of soap ? up an arse ?
asciilifeform: '“This isn’t a joke,” said the captain, according to passenger Lucas Wojciechowski. “We’re going to turn on the lights and search everyone’s bag until we find it” ... “Ladies and gentlemen, we found the device,” said the captain. “Luckily only the name of the device was changed to ‘Galaxy Note 7'. It was not a GN7.”'
asciilifeform: great idea, from one pov, terrible from just about every other.
asciilifeform: the proposal imho belongs with thomas edison's concrete furniture.
asciilifeform: it makes it considerably harder. and, past a certain point, quite impossible.
asciilifeform: if i had any reason to think that turning v tree into a forest of vertical stakes , exponentially crowded with IDENTICAL payloads that cannot be machine-compared , would make it easier to tell friend from foe and wisdom from folly -- i would agree with mircea_popescu's algo. but i do not.☟︎
asciilifeform: if mircea_popescu signs 'τῶν γὰρ φύσει συνεστώτων τὰ μέν ἐστι ...', he does not also sign his copy of aristotle, and after that, the publisher's original manuscript, and with it, the medieval copy, and with that, the arab copy, and with that, .... plus the book from which he learned greek, and its manuscript...
asciilifeform: exponential growth of bitwise-identical entities is making my bowel churn just to think of it.
asciilifeform: orthogonally, but also quite painfully, not having 'a == a' also means that 'power rangers' can make new paths and claim credit for the works of others, and there will be NO mechanical means for a n00b to determine that this was done, other than to explore the exploding phase space.
asciilifeform: it is the devil from earlier thread, it can only happen if we are all retarded to begin with.
asciilifeform: i do not see this hypothetical world, where it is unclear who is who.
asciilifeform: if you want to absolutely ban cycles, mechanistically, you are stuck with (a)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if (b) is available, it becomes again possible to close cycles.
asciilifeform: which imho is a terrible place to end up in voluntarily.
asciilifeform: it begins to resemble the popular picture of time travel.
asciilifeform: and if any two descendants pick variant paths, they create that many paths again ~squared~, and so on.
asciilifeform: because every descendant would be stuck having to pick, arbitrarily, one or the other path. and so on for ~each~ junction where this happened.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if your branches cannot converge (and under your algo, they cannot, because path dependence ~everywhere~) your tree gets cancer, every single patch creates a wholly separate universe that can never touch others.
asciilifeform: obscurantist claptrap is not helping mircea_popescu's argument.
asciilifeform: this ~is~ a solution to 'i never again want to lose the key'
asciilifeform: according to legend, once upon a time, long ago, mircea_popescu lost his house key. so the next day he ordered twenty wagons of glue, and glued everything together -- the gurlz, the keys, his keyboard, his chair, ...
asciilifeform: and asciilifeform doesn't even sit in trb-foundation!
asciilifeform: i already get grumbles that trb is an asciilifeform-vertical.
asciilifeform: which is same as not even using v at all, but signing the entire project again and again.
asciilifeform: you will end up with massive verticals.
asciilifeform: if each patch nails down an explicit 'and on top of THIS' press sequence, it drags the entire universe behind it, all of a sudden there is no such thing as 'sibling', i.e. a thing that goes from same ancestor to a different but nonconflicting place.
asciilifeform: is it even still possible to draw anything like a readable graph ? or would it look like a ball of yarn where it's this-here-copy-or-fuckyou, and it is not clear at all what was changed and what relied on what.
asciilifeform: you still have a loop, semantically, but no mechanical means of detecting it.
asciilifeform: so i hand-cranked the sequence using mircea_popescu's method, to agglomerate, forever, a record of the path through the tree. and he is right that this will keep the toposort from detecting a loop. but this is rather like whitening an rng, it confuses only the machine, but not the reader, who will see that the ~output~ resulting from following the path is identical.
asciilifeform: but now i can also make 10,000,001 paths that lead to the same press, and cannot be easily distinguished by machine. which is a headache that normal v does not suffer from.
