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mircea_popescu: besides the point - it is a factual matter now.
mircea_popescu: initially i thought that "nodes" is a meaningful term, but what i see now is a large ball of node with a bunch of sattelites that have ~ no importance flattering themselves into thinking they're part of a network.
nubbins`: bitbet keeps a 100% reserve, not a 200% reserve, which is why we know B's inputs had to have been mp's personal funds.
asciilifeform: it could have easily been a node operator.
PeterL: nubbins` I guess bitbet is not keeping a 100% reserve of bets now?
mircea_popescu: also a minor point, but at least relevant re protocol discussion.
mircea_popescu: this is a minor point. there are better bits. such as - that an transaction known but not advertised constitutes the simple definition of "transaction withholding".
nubbins`: at any rate, being a 0a corp, the funds from B weren't bitbet's. regardless of who owned them.
nubbins`: dooglus it would seem that mp did it on his own accord. bitbet is a "zero asset" corporation, and thus doesn't own any capital; there was nowhere for a second 17btc to come from.
nubbins` sidesteps a tumbleweed
nubbins`: asciilifeform kakobrekla is probably wondering what the future holds for him, as he is currently being forced to decide between PGP signing a fraudulent financial statement or losing his livelihood. i envy him not.
mircea_popescu: by all means. hence, " and if there's a single icann in the lot with enough actual gumption to put together a hostile takeover package, i'll certainly consider it." ☟︎
PeterL: and when the ceo of a company consitently makes mistakes, he gets fired
nubbins`: not when the ceo makes a mistake on his own time, out of his own pocket, the company doesn't
nubbins`: "when the ceo of a company makes a stupid mistake, the company pays for it"
mircea_popescu: PeterL when the ceo of a company makes a stupid mistake, the company pays for it. there are exactly no exceptions to this rule, nor will there ever be. morever, even when what the ceo does isn't a stupid mistake, the shareholders still pay for it. ☟︎
PeterL: mircea_popescu made a stupid mistake, and now he makes the shareholders pay for it
mircea_popescu: gumption to put together a hostile takeover package, i'll certainly consider it.
mircea_popescu: the shareholders can have all the legit complaints they want, about anything that happens whatsoever. we can all hold hands and sing kumbaya about our legit complaints that bitcoin doesn't work, and we would like it to, and it should be fixed by other people at their expense so we can continue our lifestyle undeterred. meanwhile - nonvoting shares can be sold, and if there's a single icann in the lot with enough actual
nubbins`: it's interesting to see a man's will fight cold logic
nubbins`: either way, introducing a private debt to s.bbet is plainly breaking the listing agreement, and the method by which mp has proposed to discharge it is also plainly breaking the listing agreement
asciilifeform: (or cannot prove without blowing up a glass cannon)
asciilifeform: i'm wondering if mircea_popescu is not in a position similar to the familiar murder mystery detective, where he ~knows~ that dr. evil did the deed, but cannot prove.
asciilifeform: nubbins`: imho the shareholders have a legit complaint re: the reactor test, and ought to be told why/what/etc. but i'm not a s.bbet shareholder, and nobody asked me (tm) etc.
asciilifeform: if warranties were still a thing.
mircea_popescu: (imagine, as a subtopic, the wonder of computing if hardware came with guarantee "unless used for uinappropiate purpose" and then coders had to write code that didn't void any warranties.)
mircea_popescu: anyway. 2 has a much more obvious solution, if as discussed not exactly trivial and wtf are fibonacci stacks.
mircea_popescu: that's a large pogo rigt there.
nubbins`: asciilifeform but something tells me that s.bbet is going to be a "scam investment" from here on out.
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nubbins`: everyone QQing because nubs is a meanie
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mircea_popescu: it just turned a mild magic number ("get all the headers no less than 2000) into a fucking protocol limit. "only get 2k". this is utter nonsense. ☟︎
dooglus: see commit 85ea8b4f4380dac803d43cd0b7829b107cc09e38 in core : "Limit getheaders to a hard 2000" - fixes the issue there
nubbins`: then daring to enter into a conversation about technical issues
nubbins`: struggling harder than mod6 was just to get a gentoo install running
nubbins`: oh, you need a link to the bitbet listing agreement?
hanbot: nubbins' what again? didn't you just bitch at someone over not giving a link to what they claim happened? take a breather, preferably a long one, and figure your own shit out. you're smelling.
nubbins`: which oddly confirmed almost right away because i blew a whole quarter on the fees
trinque: dooglus: yep, it is using buildroot to have a deterministic build environment
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mircea_popescu: hm. and you have these two running on the same machine, or within a local net ?
dooglus: it has a lot of 9's
dooglus: is this a known issue?
trinque: there is a scientific way to criticize a claim.
trinque: this is what I meant about the level of discourse. I have not declared myself a "fan" of anything.
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nubbins`: (bitbet, being a 0-asset corporation, did not own the funds contained in transaction B; they were ostensibly owned by mp. any funds disbursed via B are not the responsibility of bitbet in any way, shape, or form)
nubbins`: not sure how kakobrekla feels about that, but if i worked for a company where my boss gave away 17 btc of his own money and then recouped it from the company's dividends, i'd call the cops
mircea_popescu: or not is dubious, but that aside pirate's gpumax certainly played a major early role.
mircea_popescu: adlai there's some historical charge in there : bitcoin's first and largest ponzi ran a "mining" whatever, for the obvious and transparent purpose of acquiring freshly minted coins to pay out the idiot "investors". this was a major contributor to the early crystalisation of what came to be known later as "mining pools" which is what eventually in due time coallesced into today's problem. whether it was avoidable at all
trinque: regardless, it's a fine way to go forward.
nubbins`: and see who was interested in speaking like an adult and who was interested in speaking like a child
nubbins`: preferably with, y'know, a link to where it happened
mircea_popescu: so yes, for the sake of keeping the record straight - it is not possible for miners to include my (high-S, btw!) txn in blocks within 2:55 if in fact running a chain head delayed reporting scheme. either it got turned off or it never existed in the first place, anyone's call.
nubbins`: a dime. actually nine american cents at the time of the incident.
nubbins` has never, ever, ever had a stuck tx and is baffled as to why anyone w/ money ever would
nubbins`: danielpbarron why in the fuck would i do that? i'm not so cheap that i can't afford a dime for fees
nubbins`: given that miners who run node farms aren't fucking idiots, it seems implausible to assume that halting rebroadcast of lowest-priority tx's until the backlog is cleared is not a thing that would happen
danielpbarron: you got a blog, go investigate the age of flood inputs and write it up; i'll read it
nubbins`: given that it's trivial to create a large backlog of old coins, it seems implausible to think that mp's relatively new coins could not simultaneously be high enough priority to be kept in mempool but low enough priority that it's one of the last tx's to be cleared
nubbins`: given that any rational miner would save old coins, it seems implausible to think that a small number of miners would be unable to create a huge mempool backlog
nubbins`: given that age is a factor in propagating tx's, it seems implausibly short-sighted to assume that miners don't keep a portion of their earnings untouched to build up age
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nubbins`: why do extra work when the timer's counting down? adding a single extra output could mean the difference between mining a block and not
nubbins`: because it's retarded to chop up a reward before you have to
nubbins`: why don't you see pool-mined blocks split the reward into a million outputs?
danielpbarron: as far as i know, the only pool taking advantage of the ability to create as many outputs as you want in a coin base is Luke-Jr's Eligius
danielpbarron: regarding this hypothesis that miners are socking away a percentage, why then do most coin bases have a single output?
danielpbarron: if what i'm a part of isn't as big as my estimation, I don't care for bitcoin anyway. So whatever.
nubbins`: i suppose you grossly overestimate what you're a part of
nubbins`: do you suppose any large-scale miner would be anything but a complete fucking idiot if they haven't been socking away a percentage of each block reward for use when old coins are needed?
nubbins`: do you suppose there are any miners out there who'd be interested in generating a large mempool backlog for any given reason?
nubbins`: also, don't change the argument into how feasible it is for a lowly shoemaker to pull it off
shinohai: "Anyone can access it and submit answers, which means that anyone can impersonate a police officer, prosecutor, or other law enforcement official."
danielpbarron: nubbins`> again, i could create 10k tx's right now with older inputs than A1 << isn't this a "glass canon" as in, can only be fired once? How many nubbins` are out there with cannons? It costs money to assemble this weapon in short order. You have it from years of doing business.
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danielpbarron: asciilifeform> i have nfi, btw, what the age was. did you look into it? << http://qntra.net/2016/03/a-miner-problem/#comment-47581
nubbins`: but a cabal saying "OK guise, he paid out from a new source, let's get A1 back out there!".... c'mon
nubbins`: but if i have a massive backlog, no 0-fee bum is gonna get a free ride
davout: asciilifeform: any bitbet recipient had a strong incentive to rebroadcast, as soon as the second transaction actually paid them
nubbins`: do we have a reason to think which was done?
asciilifeform: sure. but do we have a reason to think this was done?
nubbins`: asciilifeform the age of A1's inputs ranged from a couple days to a couple months iirc
nubbins`: calling A1 spam was a stretch and not correct, but calling A1 anything other than the absolute lowest priority is unreasonable
nubbins`: how does a node operator distinguish between the 50,000 spam 0-fee tx's and bitbet's 0-fee tx?
asciilifeform: how does something that ~follows~ a tx make it spam?
nubbins`: 0-fee tx followed by 3 double-spend attempts in the midst of a mempool backlog
nubbins`: i could've kept A1 in limbo for a month if i'd wanted to
nubbins`: if ant/f2 own 500 nodes out of an available 560, how in the fuck are you gonna see a transaction that they're not broadcasting?
nubbins`: that's "withholding all 0-fee tx's during a backlog"
nubbins`: if there was 60 live nodes last year, it seems extremely improbable that a mining cartel wouldn't rent out a data center and stuff it with nodes
nubbins`: i could, as i've got an enormous amount of coins that haven't moved in a very long time
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nubbins`: <+asciilifeform>punkman: he has, iirc, a thing that tries to connect to 'anyone who's anyone' as determined by his intel << seems his intel connected him to a shit set of nodes
asciilifeform: punkman: he has, iirc, a thing that tries to connect to 'anyone who's anyone' as determined by his intel
assbot: Logged on 07-03-2016 02:49:05; nubbins`: advertising 0-fee tx's in a mempool flood is a DOS attack