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jurov: and to press the "last pressable" I do what command?
asciilifeform: e.g., i can submit a patch which depends only on genesis, and it will be among the current leaves
mircea_popescu: i also confess to mentally having an imaginary pre-G as a master node for all the various G's such as shiva's bitcoins v's etc.
assbot: Logged on 09-02-2016 14:57:13; mircea_popescu: PeterL> or am I totally confused? << a patch can only be safely applied to its antecedent. two patches at the same level CAN NOT be both applied by definition.
asciilifeform: i see mircea_popescu's point here
asciilifeform: where i wrote the routine, which sorts by ascii and then by flow.
shinohai: BingoBoingo: this might be worth paying to see, drunk or no: https://i.imgur.com/r3xs9aY.jpg
mircea_popescu: i don't see where this is in the protocol ?
asciilifeform: because it isn't absent if i nail it down.
mircea_popescu: i don't want anything, whatsoever. and i still don;t care what the effects would be.
asciilifeform: and i can't fathom why mircea_popescu would.
asciilifeform: i do not want knife with a will of its own.
asciilifeform: i don't ~want~ my computer alive.
PeterL: this morning we had a bit of snow, I slid about 10 yards past the entrance to work, antilock brakes kicked in, had to shift to reverse and go back to turn into parking lot
thestringpuller: BingoBoingo: aha. so even there you'll see cars in ditches with people telling cops "i dunno what happened, i just slippped and ended up in here"
BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: Problem is water under snow. Dept of Roads does not brine as generously as I do.
mod6: to asciilifeform's point tho, i'm not too sure what even exists in the lxr thing, and if is congruent with what's in the V mirror
thestringpuller: BingoBoingo: I'd expect midwesterners to know how to drive in snow belt weather... Here we get 2 inches, the roads freeze and everyone freaks out like its The Walking Dead or some shit.
assbot: Logged on 09-02-2016 14:17:35; ben_vulpes: PeterL: the list of patches gets alphasorted before toposorting in all implementations i've seen to date.
shinohai: I have snow here as well, just strong flurries nothing to write home about.
BingoBoingo: Aluminum D cell maglite I've used as hammer does not have chips out of it.
ben_vulpes: if it's made of METAL i want to HIT PEOPLE WITH IT
ben_vulpes: i give precisely zero fucks about lightweight laptops.
ben_vulpes: i am a barbarian though and it must be my fault somehow for expecting my tools to be robust
ben_vulpes: pretty standard decomposition pattern i think now
ben_vulpes: i hate this thread
asciilifeform: just observing that neither i nor the other million chumps are enthusiastic coprophagics, we were simply given a menu of shit and broken glass, and picked shit
diana_coman: mircea_popescu> ben_vulpes you know for everyone from europe public school = best school. private school is where people with money send their retarded offspring to keep up the pretense. <- +1 to that; I might add the only exception to this rule I found in northern Italy where "private" meant in fact province (autonomous, German-speaking-and-doing province) funded
mircea_popescu: "shitting i nthe soup is not a problem, not all the floating turds are mine!"
ben_vulpes: hey i was hacking all am
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes> doubt i'll get to it today tho << "there's all this delicious administrative shit to fuck around with early, who has time for codings!!!"
ben_vulpes: doubt i'll get to it today tho
mod6: ben_vulpes: here's a peek at the squshed beta 1 & beta 2 vpatches - unless something changes between now and tonight, i'll be sending this one to the ML. All you need to do to apply is get V [v99996], copy `v.pl' to `v.pl.v99996`, then place this patch in the same dir and do: `patch -p0 < V_v99995_beta2.vpatch` and give it a go
shinohai: I used to get pm's from Vexual EVRY GODDAMNED SATURDAY
thestringpuller: trinque: I think you're right about the whole SSD thing. I'm going to resync on my giga-box for more tests, but it seems bootstrapping performance is increased more by adding SSD than adding more CPU's (unless you're adding like 20 cores to the thing but even then)
ben_vulpes: PeterL: i was thinking about a deadbot- !
ben_vulpes: perhaps i see a glimmer
mod6: i updated alot of the automate tests, and added a number of them, to ensure that i didn't regress anywhere. so far, seems good.
phf: but the school was already selective, was ran by a strong Georgian woman. if you didn't perform would get a visit with the principle. "your child will have a very hard time next year. a ~very~ hard time. we advise you move schools immediately". i know because my parents got the talk once or twice
mircea_popescu is vaguely envious of phf's adolescentine paradise. i expect they were all lanky slav coughars with uncharacteristically large tits for that type, and spent a lot of time doing stuff in the nude
mod6: <+ben_vulpes> press a patch without hashes in the headers << i've actually got that one covered in the patch im about to put out there tonight.
PeterL: aha, now I get it
PeterL: actually no, I don't see everybodys problem?
ben_vulpes: i have a completely unbacked theory that the further you go down the american income/class ladder the more girls you'll get in those classes.
PeterL: meh, i don't talk with any of them, that was like 15 years ago
phf: shinohai: Can any asseteers tell me if this is a worthy SSD? << i've been using it's precursor, 250gb 830, as my primary drive for three years now, have nothing to complain about it. unless samsung fucked something up, an 850 will be my next purchase
mircea_popescu: and in more "i married the wrong girl" news, http://40.media.tumblr.com/61c9d7e8de1f94638e74daf6a5069e54/tumblr_nyhv2e9ok51qlne6uo1_1280.jpg
diana_coman: ^^^ ftr I can't remember ANY setting later than nursery in which I wasn't in a setup of at least 1:2 female:male
mircea_popescu: also, i thought kakobrekla was a girl ? no ? because -a ?
diana_coman: I am honoured to be proposed to the list; I might add that I am quite likely to be of the silent type indeed at least for the time being
ben_vulpes: i'm not sold on diana_coman
gribble: artifexd was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 41 weeks, 5 days, 16 hours, 46 minutes, and 35 seconds ago: <artifexd> I'm comfortable calling it a review. Not just of what it is but what it was and how it got to where it is.
mircea_popescu: well i have nfi what you mean by "same level", but to my eyes and from graph theory considerations it would mean "patches applied atop the same one patch"
mircea_popescu: PeterL> or am I totally confused? << a patch can only be safely applied to its antecedent. two patches at the same level CAN NOT be both applied by definition. ☟︎
PeterL: or am I totally confused?
PeterL: meh, I guess thinking about it, I guess if two patches are of equal level, then it does not matter which order they get applied?
PeterL: I guess alphasorting is a cheap way to ensure consistency between presses of equal sets?
ben_vulpes: PeterL: the list of patches gets alphasorted before toposorting in all implementations i've seen to date. ☟︎
ben_vulpes: this alphabetical sorting of patches in v flow grates on me for some reason i'm struggling to articulate.
gribble: I have not seen pete_driver.
ben_vulpes: no no i think those are different
mircea_popescu: i never expected him to not show up under his PROFESSIONAL names... ☟︎
gribble: I have not seen hot_stuffs_pete_chanel.
gribble: I have not seen fabulous_pete_dolcegrabanya.
gribble: I have not seen pete_dior.
gribble: pete_d_out was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 3 days, 0 hours, 5 minutes, and 20 seconds ago: <pete_d_out> well, my clock's running out. i'll check back in soon :)
gribble: pete_dushenski was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 5 days, 13 hours, 38 minutes, and 24 seconds ago: <pete_dushenski> off to pickup new specs. if i'm not back this evening, i'll be around under 'pete_d_out' over the coming days. cheers!
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-02-2016#1400259 <<< i'm with ben and the whole rest of the world on this. you display a very entrenched form of stockholm syndrome. not just here - but in all points of confort. can't move out of dc because it's the only swamp in the world with lid suspension and hotplugging something or the other, gotta use apple because insanoarcana, etc. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: which i suspect is the proximate reason no blame attached to buzzdave
mircea_popescu: anyway, the winds have pointedly turned against apple. the time when they did that "we'll brick your device if you used other parts in it" thing i'd arbitrarily pick as the jumping the shark moment. but in any case : apple is for the next decade a company to sell, not to hold and CERTAINLY not to buy. ☟︎
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I believe so. Isn't he the one who did the FPGA thing with BuzzDave and professed to be doing the ASIC thing?
shinohai: I was concerned about write endurance because some folks have said ssd's aren't suitable for nodes. :/
shinohai: mircea_popescu: nope I'll do my best to undercut anyone. pussyfreak can vouch for my Spanish if he comes back, being from Spain and all lol.
BingoBoingo: A bit over, but as cheap as I've seen them
shinohai: I figured why not go ahead and shop for 1TB drive since I am using it for node purposes, though pricier than I had imagined.
shinohai: Good I must be on right track.
asciilifeform: i have a workstation, it is for doing things i actually give half a fuck about.
ben_vulpes: i need a workstation for doing work, and a comms box for doing comms.
asciilifeform: i just need a motherfucking knapsack unix box that never has to be powered down, hotplugs displays, and '4k' lcd.
asciilifeform: i don't like, need or want the graphics, the idiot skeumorphisms, the 'ease of use', the payware, or the compatibility
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i've never met a crapple user who despised it as much as i did.
BingoBoingo: NSFL https://i.imgur.com/wUcjjc9.jpg
asciilifeform: incidentally i don't develop for crapple nor ever intend to, and still stuck with it
ben_vulpes: i for instance just bought three of the things, but only because of the Apple Developer Ratchet
ben_vulpes: not apple stockholm i suppose nearly so much as usa stockholm
asciilifeform: if i need a unix box with lid suspend, stuck with crapple. ditto re: sane handling of hotplugged external displays. and 1,01 other items.
shinohai: I stay away from the Bitcoin ladies meself. Gotta save and buy new equips.
BingoBoingo: shinohai: Nah, blew too much money on that when I was drinking. Gotta hodl.
assbot: Cryptoqueen - Let's talk about how hot *I* am. [NSFW] ... ( http://bit.ly/1KCy3J2 )
punkman: "-I'm the 38th author... -Wow, that sucks. -I hadn't finished. I'm the 38th author called "Wang" -Oh." http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26799652
mircea_popescu: empted to set up some formats for writing a manual. When that produced something pleasant to look at, it occurred to me that I should just make a whole manual about MACLISP."
mircea_popescu: During all of this, I picked up a lot of trivia about the MACLISP language, which was not very well-documented. David Moon had written a manual a few years earlier, but it was out of date and featured primarily the Honeywell Multics implementation of MACLISP, not the PDP10 implementation. Also, as it happened, Don Knuth had just come out with TEX typesetting language and I was looking for possible uses for it, so I att
mircea_popescu: I spent nearly all of my hours at the Lab, often to the detriment of my class work, which is why I took 5 years to graduate. During my time there, I worked mostly for credit, only very occasionally for tiny amounts of money—about $5 per hour for a small number of hours a week programming MACSYMA, as I recall. Most of my time was as a volunteer, and in that time I did some additional work on MACSYMA but also some pers
mircea_popescu: , I immediately went to the several other undergraduates working on the same project and said, “they don’t know we’re not supposed to have offices.” But soon we all did have offices, or at least desks in offices with dedicated VT52 terminals atop them. My office was shared with Guy Steele, co-inventor of the SCHEME programming language, and JonL White, author and maintainer of the MACLISP compiler.
mircea_popescu: "ne day while working with the MACSYMA group, I was around when someone was assigning offices—or desks, really, since offices were generally shared. “Where is mine?” I asked, somewhat jokingly. As far as I knew, only graduate students were entitled to offices. The person doing the arranging didn’t realize I was joking and responded in seriousness that he didn’t know and would try to find one for me. Of course
mircea_popescu: the rest... what can i say. takes time.
mircea_popescu: and i still principally credit chance.
asciilifeform: same reason, i expect, as taleb
asciilifeform: it is a mega-conundrum, in my mind, i know for a fact that there live at least half a dozen people who could, potentially, supply intelligent commentary. but none of them i expect to appear here.
asciilifeform: naggum understood this, i think, when it was too late