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phf: the purity of scheme continuations! so they let you move execution context into an arbitrary location in the past? yeah! congratulations, you just implemented haf
a goto
phf: i've been coding gwbasic on my libretto. i remember
a bearded su closed research facility forth guy was telling me "basic rots the brain, man, we get these developers who are forever ruined, i tell you" that was in 96. i wonder what he thinks of present crop...
mircea_popescu: i guess the point i'm getting at is that teaching technology is always and everywhere
a secondary concern to the human quality of they being taught.
mircea_popescu: INCLUDING
a variant which worked on peek and poke in gwbasic.
phf: prince of persia would be
a step up from the "haaweeey kids i'm ratty the friendly rat and i'm going to teach you, 15 year old adults, about long division. it's haaaaard!"
BingoBoingo: phf: The qntra is actually being written on
a medical topic, but I was googling the "war on computing" link and was pleasantly surprised when qntra was #1
mircea_popescu: when i was
a kid, computing class consisted of prince of persia.
phf: concepts "IF you see
a wall THEN turn left!"
phf: BingoBoingo: i've not read the article yet, but truth is, i'm yet to meet
a teacher at
a conference who's at all qualified to teach computing to kids. at best the approach is entirely experiental, "when you see
a tiger^W^Wa popup, you should run away^W^Wcall
a teacher" or "
https stands for secure!", and the educational tooling is at best an inferior rip off of Scratch but more likely
a scattershot gamification of hodge podge algorithmic
assbot: Logged on 15-03-2016 16:44:44; asciilifeform: already i work in
a shop where the modem hiccups and 80% work - stops...
mircea_popescu: shoot as many as you'd like, the sort of sniveling cur that'd become
a preacher is abundently provided by the perl cunt.
assbot: Logged on 15-03-2016 16:40:39; asciilifeform: from the pov of the 1970s central planner lizards, the turn from 'pay per cpu cycle' timesharing phyootoore to personal comp was
a mistake
mircea_popescu: (institutul de tehnica de calcul, one of cluj's tallest buildings, certainly its only proper office building for
a few decades (complete with cubicals!) and one of the places where ro was going to be defended informationally from the us!)
assbot: Logged on 15-03-2016 02:28:33; mircea_popescu:
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-03-2016#1432848 << for the record, this is
a lot weaker than it seems, for reasons discussed but perhaps worth repeating : it is so trivial to transform all txn into
a high/low-S of one's choosing, that there exists no actual barrier due to it.
assbot: Logged on 15-03-2016 01:45:38; mircea_popescu: (perhaps this is obivous to me only for some god-forsaken reason, but the next step after the view on the bitcoin protocol that it permits miners to arbitrarily reject txn and the collusion of miners is - you gotta get
a license to bitcoinate. why hardfork to increase their revenue, even.)
assbot: Logged on 15-03-2016 01:03:18; mircea_popescu:
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-03-2016#1432744 << this is
a complicated proposition. the traditional avenue of the dedicated tramp is to join
a group, liberally fuck anyone but the alpha of that group, insist that the alpha marry her. this presses
a very strict choice on the alpha that's not trivially resolved - if he kills her everyone else loses
a fuckdoll ; if he marries her he's fucked, n
thestringpuller: hahahaha! what
a familiar feeling. if internet goes out at small shop that does "web dev", everyone pretty much goes home.
assbot: Logged on 15-03-2016 13:22:14; mircea_popescu: you ARE willing to pay 50% of the money for
a 72% item, and so there it is.
assbot: Logged on 15-03-2016 13:22:03; mircea_popescu: in the "i bet you don't understand what the bayesian approach to spam filtering turned into pretend-ai after its failure to filter spam" means for your country : the next step is for most all the jobs that are still left to be replaced by this kind of ai - it's cheaper. so you go to the hair salon and you get
a hairdo - 80% of the time. hey, accidents happen, here's
a free coupon for another one. and
assbot: Logged on 15-03-2016 12:33:48; nubbins`: did goat elbow
a button when he pushed pirate-backed assets?
assbot: Logged on 15-03-2016 12:31:44; nubbins`: did karpeles elbow
a button when he deployed test code to gox production servers?
PeterL: nubbins` I was under the impression that bitbet shares get either
a part of the sale of assets or 0.00001, whichever is higher, are you saying they get both?
mircea_popescu: you ARE willing to pay 50% of the money for
a 72% item, and so there it is.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: in the "i bet you don't understand what the bayesian approach to spam filtering turned into pretend-ai after its failure to filter spam" means for your country : the next step is for most all the jobs that are still left to be replaced by this kind of ai - it's cheaper. so you go to the hair salon and you get
a hairdo - 80% of the time. hey, accidents happen, here's
a free coupon for another one. and yes, you want
a we
☟︎ nubbins`: did goat elbow
a button when he pushed pirate-backed assets?
☟︎ nubbins`: did karpeles elbow
a button when he deployed test code to gox production servers?
☟︎ nubbins`: i think he got mad because
a bunch of poor renters who don't own computers weren't able to find the time to get on irc, find #b-
a, take
a photograph of themselves holding
a sign, set up
a btc wallet, &c &c &c &c &c
nubbins`: yes, each one has
a voucher for 0.1 btc, at mp's direction. he later rescinded the offer
cazalla: diff ones or
a second run of that bitcoin game you made?
nubbins`: sold 8 so far, which should pay for the entire run of 100 plus
a couple of prime rib roasts
assbot: Logged on 15-03-2016 03:21:23; mircea_popescu: hanbot the problem with your take on what's reasonable is that the other reasonable view is to simply say that everything's fine, nothing's wrong and there isn't nor could ever be any cause for expenditure, alarm or ultimately death. in principle this is
a view that can not be dislodged, every living thing's expectation to live forever in
a functional world is, misguided or not, nevertheless part and
nubbins`: nubs selling btc posters on the forums is
a profitable, legit btc business by this definition.
mircea_popescu: in other news - something that appears as
a legitimate outfit from rochester, new york ( thepremierpartners.com ) has apparently managed to lose control over its [email] servers, because they're now sending run of the mill "due bill.doc" spam but from
http://dpaste.com/2MV15W2 it seems to be actually sent by them.
assbot: Logged on 15-03-2016 02:35:50; mircea_popescu: ironcally, bitbet is not merely "
a sure thing" - it's the only actually profitable, legit bitcoin business to date. THE ONLY.
mircea_popescu: assbot> Fire – The Anti-American Hate Narrative Of The Anakbayan << wait, wait, the anti-gaddafi hate narrative of the usg is not
a "hate narrative" ?
assbot: Logged on 14-03-2016 16:40:41; PeterL: mircea_popescu what about the part of the listing that says shares will be paid out
a minimum of 0.00001 ? If selling the domain+code does not cover the 17btc shortfall and this minimum, are you and kakobrekla expected to pay this out of pocket?
assbot: Logged on 14-03-2016 16:33:32; phf: i think this question is receiving far less attention then the alleged miner collusion. i would've liked to see it approached through
a judge (perhaps moon is
a harsh mistress style "would you be our judge?"),
a carefully constructed paper, an investigation, rather than bickering in logs. i think the question is also separate from receivership and is about ensuring that the rest of tmsr maintain
a shared vision
assbot: Logged on 14-03-2016 16:33:28; phf: into
a controversial protocol behavior, mp called it "miners are conspiring against bitbet". you can personally call mp stupid for that, but there's no "crime" there.
assbot: Logged on 14-03-2016 16:33:27; phf: nubbins`: i think it's
a pointless to discuss (and takes away from the core of the issue) whether or not miners are conspiring against bitbet. ascii's been known to say that lizard hitler personally disconnected his node, nobody cared to pipe in then, because it's an established local way of talking and thinking (не веришь прими за сказку). miners are
a cartel, they can collectively decide
nubbins`:
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-03-2016#1432301 << i also didn't think it was
a worthwhile conversation to have, but i wasn't about to just watch mp make the ludicrous claim that bitcoin has been forked by
a chinese mining cabal, ostensibly with the intention of tranferring all the suckers in this chan over to MPCoin, just because his 0-fee tx got bogged down.
☝︎ nubbins`: phf: "solicited
a judge from the wot" is meaningless, unless you know something i don't.
assbot: Logged on 14-03-2016 16:33:26; phf: nubbins`: it's
a shame that you chose this approach for your denouncement. some people are here (myself, maybe ascii) not to make money, but to fuck around with novel ways of doing things. it would've been nifty if, as
a "lord" if you will, you picked up the game and made your accusations formal, maybe solicited
a judge from the wot, made it interesting somehow! you don't have to obviously, but the approach tha
nubbins`: the three major problems that beset bitbet were (
a) mp was involved with it, (b) it had zero room for contingencies or unexpected expenses and (c) train-wreck PR
mircea_popescu: except those where alf lives and
a permanent rain cloud rains bricks upon an acre centered on his head.
ben_vulpes: 'tis not quite yet
a place where one makes 130k predicated on 140k in living expenses, more like 80k in living expenses.
ben_vulpes: anyways phf, yes, alphabet corp friends and acquaintances are all having
a grand party with the low cost of living.
mircea_popescu: just
a spot of bitter retrospective jewish humour isall.
mircea_popescu: ("but hey mp, you should have moved bitbet to this or something!" "yes yes, aren't you
a great visionary, man from the future.")
assbot: Accounting for the nonzero asset corporation. The MPEx standard. on Trilema -
A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... (
http://bit.ly/1UuNpRO )
ben_vulpes: on only
a tangentially related topic, when do we get the B.H.-style AN1 that retains all earnings /in/ the corp?
ben_vulpes: "are you sure you wouldn't rather secure
a loan with that 50k and set up
a shop on squarespace?"
ben_vulpes: phf: it's 400k for
a mobile app if you bring your own designer, 50-200k if we design it, 10-40k for
a single-purpose webapp with minimal frills and if you need
a website, well, squarespace is over there. heck, they even do ecomm, and better than any wordprex.
mircea_popescu: hanbot the problem with your take on what's reasonable is that the other reasonable view is to simply say that everything's fine, nothing's wrong and there isn't nor could ever be any cause for expenditure, alarm or ultimately death. in principle this is
a view that can not be dislodged, every living thing's expectation to live forever in
a functional world is, misguided or not, nevertheless part and parcel of biology.
☟︎ hanbot:
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-03-2016#1432955 << not to get ahead of myself with you guys, but it seems to me that if these 17 btc were in fact the problem, then you acted reasonably by refusing to sign...whereas if
a putative, later loss was the real problem here,
a more reasonable approach might've been to sign this report, and work together to ensure that there won't be such
a further monster.
☝︎ phf: i'm making fun of humanoidity's assumption that you guys need to go talk to devs elsewhere, by pretending to assume that bitbet was built in
a very hackernews bezzel way, i.e. by outsourcing to an agile consultancy
phf: like one of those ben_vulpes shops, $300k bezzle
a website
phf: i thought you guys used
a valley startup to build it???
assbot: Logged on 14-03-2016 23:45:07; humanoidity: kakobrekla: on the technical issue that bit you guys (re-issuing
a tx multiple times IIUC), and the conspiracy theories it spawned, I am wondering if you guys raised the issue with the devs to see if they reach the same conclusion ?
adlai for once, shuts himself up, to go sleep. putting preorders for morning popcorn, please keep the logs
a-churnin (but do read them, too many idiots showing up here asking for summaries as though people are paid to write them)
adlai: i dunno, we're all
a bunch of text here, except for the chicks that get their nickles one dime at
a time
mircea_popescu: "superb how". freudian slip of all time, alf would like
a workable dasmer.
assbot: Logged on 01-03-2016 13:49:06; mircea_popescu: "noisehole, bullshitter, blowhard, drunkard, sadist, rapist, all-around disgrace to the sad sad State of Bitcoin (and
a passive-aggressive plagiarist, too, to top
a cherry on the shit-pan-kake!)" da fuck did you do adlai !
mircea_popescu: ironcally, bitbet is not merely "
a sure thing" - it's the only actually profitable, legit bitcoin business to date. THE ONLY.
☟︎ assbot: Logged on 14-03-2016 22:22:18; phf: but as an advertisement platform for mpex and steady stream of income for investors i don't see ~anything~ wrong with bitbet. my current interpretation is that
a lot of various people overreacted and
a sure thing was killed.
assbot: Logged on 14-03-2016 21:44:51; assbot: Logged on 14-03-2016 19:10:37; asciilifeform: the failure of such
a miner to exist is
a game-theoretical smoking gun.
assbot: Logged on 14-03-2016 21:44:17; asciilifeform: anyway my original point was that much of what we think of as 'tmsr economy' is not actually tmsr in any reasonable sense of the word, in that it is not effected by folks having
a wot presence, nor does it even have so much as iceberg tip in the public forum.
mircea_popescu: (none of this is to say that one ~oughtn't~ try. sure, one ought to try. but also understand that this is exactly like "one ought to try and fuck every woman that can walk within his visual radius". in
a veeeheheheheeery theoretical principle, sure. in practice - there is such
a thing as penis friction blisters.)
mircea_popescu: one should prolly look through eulora logs for some lulzy examples re the failure of the auction - the free market's revered, holy relic of
a chief tool. guess what ? it... doesn't work!
mircea_popescu: so, like it or not, it is still very much
a research project for the human race.
mircea_popescu: they get good results in different fields but
a) they're alwyas approximations and b) none of them even cover the whole field - not in the sense of being close but in the sense of EVER OFFERING
a value function that may take any inputs.
assbot: Logged on 14-03-2016 21:17:09; asciilifeform: given as it was structured in such
a way that ANY unexpected ding would destroy it utterly unless carried by that month's profit.
mircea_popescu: because yes, the thing as it worked is STILL
a major improvement over traditional gambling anything, and there's no sane reason i could possibly see that bitbet wouldn't carry
a majority of the world's 10bn to 1 trn dollars worth of yearly prop betting.
mircea_popescu: it STILL boggles my mind that this was the case ; but the case it was. and weren't it the case - bitbet'd be to this day and forever swimming in
a pool of dough.
mircea_popescu:
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-03-2016#1432792 << perhaps the darkest voodoo involved in all of this, and one which i openly confess i struggled with for the entire interval and never managed to even comprehend let alone do
a iota towards breaking was - that there seemed to be ~infinite ammount of bitcoin ready to COVER bets, but very little interest to fund them. somehow, for some reason, even with the strict
☝︎ assbot: Logged on 14-03-2016 21:02:48; phf: instead the solution is what? to spend
a bunch more days repeating same positions over and over again until you leave in disgust, people who are already on the mp side are galvanized, etc.?