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mircea_popescu: fine, if you must : your question is not even
a question in that it doesn't make any sense.
davout: mircea_popescu: that way does sound like
a good way!
mircea_popescu: PeterL what is the correct way of cheering your mother up with
a tin of maltova and and
a chunk of cloth ?
PeterL: If block reward is unjust, what is
a just way of distributing coin? Or is that even possible?
mircea_popescu: promise here being
a term of art standing in opposition with protocol.
mircea_popescu: that it seems justified to you may make
a difference when you're king of the world and can promise me to appoint all judges forevermore to comply with your notions.
mircea_popescu: much like the tmsr license, bitcoin is deliberately constructed
a certain way to destroy fiat notions of this world, not to maintain them nor to permit their maintenance.
nubbins`: <+solrodar>since the sender never intended to transfer ownership to that person <<< mp didn't intend to transfer ownership of the coins involved in
a tx that he sent?
solrodar: mircea_popescu: the bettors entered
a contract with bitbet, then you, acting on bitbet's behalf, paid them too much by mistake. Even if there's no property in bitcoin, doesn't the existence of that contract allow you to introduce an argument of unjust enrichment?
mircea_popescu: anyway, take it from
a software design perspective. you are proposing to change the stateless parser (bet accepted) -> (bet resolved) -> (bet paid out) into
a stateful and undefined (bet accepted) -> (bet resolved) -> (???) -> (some thing paid according to some rules you can't know)
☟︎ assbot: Logged on 07-01-2016 00:00:47; jurov: input is
a reference to an output from
a previous transaction. output is:
a hash of
a previous transaction + Index of the specific output in the referenced transaction.
mircea_popescu: if you are going to make other determinations than who won
a bet, might as well put
a 50% tax on the richest 10% or w/e the french fashion is these days.
solrodar: if any obligation exists between bitbet and
a bettor, the bettor is identified by his key and nothing more
☟︎ davout: mircea_popescu: you haven't provided any support for the notion of "
a fellow" that you introduced, or did i miss it?
mircea_popescu: which is, seal things in the past in such
a way they aren't revisable in the future.
mircea_popescu: it is also very visibly, and very risibly, reaction to bitcoin, which is to say
a transparent attempt to exactly prevent specifically what bitcoin does,
mircea_popescu: fine, if you absolutely must : suppose owner made an agreement with
a third party that the nth txn goes to x and the nth+1 goes to y. are they now bound to revise their agreements on the basis of how you may wish to liberally reinterpret the protocol ?
☟︎ davout: the moment you sell
a private key it ceases to be private, and therefore ceases to be
a private key
solrodar: so we say mircea_popescu controlled
a large quantity of bitcoin, and had agreed to consider
a certain quantity of it the property of bitbet, but that concept of property does not go beyond any agreement which may have existed between him and bitbet?
mircea_popescu: PeterL the difference happens to be rather important from
a legal perspective.
PeterL: the bitcoin did not just move accidentally, bitcoin moves when somebody signs
a statement "I own this bitcoin, I am sending it to address X"
assbot: Logged on 23-03-2016 09:34:25; davout: more generally, it seems an important thing to me that bettor claims should be adjusted by the existence of
a a previous double-payout, if any
solrodar: and
a bitcoin transaction is equivalent to such
a signed statement?
PeterL: solrodar if you sign
a statement "I give my dog to danielpbarron", then yes it is his dog, and if you later say oops, I meant to give it to bob, then it is up to DPB to give the dog up, but he does not have to
mircea_popescu: seal top off
a bottle of Maltova and attach it to
a piece of fabric with the loose sewing of
a preschooler.
danielpbarron: you know
a private key, someone else might know that private key. neither owns it
davout: pretty much everyone with
a few neurons left actually
solrodar: my argument is that
a mistaken payment may have changed possession of the money, but not ownership of it
solrodar: should I send it back, minus
a small fee for my inconvenience?
solrodar: you try to pay your rent, but make
a typo and send the money to me instead
solrodar: no, because nobody here except you gives
a crap what the bible says
PeterL: It does not matter who the true mother was, the one who wanted him to live was deemed
a better mother
danielpbarron: Thus they spoke before the king. 23 And the king said, "The one says, 'This is my son, who lives, and your son is the dead one'; and the other says, 'No! But your son is the dead one, and my son is the living one.'" 24 Then the king said, "Bring me
a sword." So they brought
a sword before the king. 25 And the king said, "Divide the living child in two, and give half to one, and half to the other."
solrodar: I doubt you'd believe that if you had lost
a large sum of money by sending it to the wrong person by mistake
solrodar: both bettors have
a moral obligation to return the money, it's just that one of them is identifiable and the other one isn't
PeterL: <nubbins`> hmm davout are you really going to withhold bet payouts to bettors who were unlucky enough to receive free money from mp's personal funds << so if person
A used separate addresses for bets and person B used the same address on multiple bets,
A gets more money and B gets less?
nubbins`: also,
a thousand lels at the guy who suggested the double-paid bettors just return the funds
davout: and regarding S.BBET specifically there's 3.2 (
a) reading "The representatives of BitBet have elected to divide BitBet into 10`000`000 (ten million) equal non-voting shares with
a total equity value of 100 BTC (0.00001 BTC each). In the event of liquidation or breach of this Agreement they solemnly promise and warrant to repay all investors holding shares at this minimum value."
davout: punkman: the idea of
a receivership is that you sell assets, use the cash to pay outstanding claims, the rest, if any, goes to shareholder
danielpbarron: it was
a matter of principle, not so much
a lack of money
davout: it's not
a bug, it's
a feature: Dividends-In-Advance(tm)(r)!!1
davout: I'm going to check that everything that was paid against currently unpaid/unresolved/open bets matches the cash mp sent me, and if so there won't really be
a point in checking that
davout: if bitbet made it until now without this problem, it's probably
a good indicator that such
a thing never happened before
davout: more generally, it seems an important thing to me that bettor claims should be adjusted by the existence of
a a previous double-payout, if any
☟︎☟︎ BingoBoingo: It's nice to be able to cover good news in the republic, its been
a rough month for that.
diametric: nah the vat is made out of
a thin layer of FEP, so its like
a clear rubber
diametric: basically the vat for curing the SLA layers on is flexible, so when the print moves up
a layer, the whole vat deforms in order to overcome the van der waals effect
diametric: but not
a lot of peer reviewed evidence of any real danger
diametric: about the same as walking around
a major city i imagine.
diametric: asciilifeform: most people use pla. it's
a lot easier to deal with. abs requires higher temps and
a heated bed. but recently there are
a lot of people printing with petg, and various composites. i just saw some "ironfill",
a blend of iron powder and pla.
trinque: mrottenkolber: consider that as specified the total source code involved in
a vtron can *decrease* drastically from here.
mrottenkolber: asciilifeform: I hash of some metadata and
a hash of tons of hashes of tns of hashes lol
mod6: well, i guess i can appreciate that. i was simply going to write
a V in Ada as
a way to learn Ada.
mod6: boy oh boy. looks like all you can hope for with Ada and issuing system commands is to redirect the output to
a file, and the read the file.
assbot: Logged on 23-03-2016 00:31:03; mircea_popescu: it's actually
a pretty serious health risk. the plasticisers / other treatments that make the 3d feedstock behave sufficiently like ink are all items of concern in food chain.
assbot: Logged on 23-03-2016 00:23:16; gernika: I have
a friend who may have found
a valid use for 3d printers: he's built 4 of them in his garage and uses them to prototype electronic toy parts.
mircea_popescu: strength of concrete is inverse to the added water, up to
a point, but that makes it hard to work.
mircea_popescu: incidentally : the ancient myths of "person-in-construction" have
a practical backing in the roman practice of using fat and sometimes blood as
a plasticizer in concrete.
ben_vulpes: in other news, i finally put
a tv in the conference room and it is now apparently the dedicated "5 hours of rocket explosions on
a loop" device
mircea_popescu: it's actually
a pretty serious health risk. the plasticisers / other treatments that make the 3d feedstock behave sufficiently like ink are all items of concern in food chain.
☟︎ gernika: I have
a friend who may have found
a valid use for 3d printers: he's built 4 of them in his garage and uses them to prototype electronic toy parts.
☟︎ phf: mrottenkolber: unfortunately there seems to be no way to enforce security in git, no way to enable some always_gnupg flag, nor is there
a mechanism to add default arguments to some builtin commands.
mircea_popescu: "bitcoin in terms of gavin and maku kalaposu",
a pretty good satirical premise, i grant.
davout: where do you see
a karpeles quote?
gernika: apropos of nothing, I just attempted to download
a .pdf formatted datasheet and received
a PDF FORMATTED error message.
ben_vulpes: this is
a special hell of paranoia, asciilifeform.