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nubbins`: "you need to get the rats out of the kitchen and then later you'll want to make a meal there? i think not"
jurov: and that not even for a good discernible reason
danielpbarron: jurov, what happened again and again? people not following the rules? How is the a strike against the rule maker?
danielpbarron: punkman, indeed that might be why private addresses became a thing. account holders signing agreement that anything sent to that address gets credited to account. Since we know that there are side-contracts for the less-than-50-btc renewal of keys, this should be possible
nubbins`: like i said before, popescu is basically a better-read karpeles
punkman: considering everyone is using private addresses these days, I wonder if donations are still a thing
assbot: Case I - Wences vs MPEx, Breach of fiduciary duty on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1PsaeiI )
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jurov: it goes back long time to things like the wences lawsuit, i likened the situation to mpex having a sinkhole in the foyer
fluffypony: you're on a list!
nubbins`: don't get me wrong, holding mp's feet to the fire is a good lel
nubbins`: mp is just a guy who plays MMORPGs and wanks on irc all day, to me ☟︎
trinque wonders at walking asciilifeform through the mechanics of a troll
asciilifeform: nubbins`: what i don't get is why you continue here, instead of opening a:
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trinque: !rate nubbins` -3 treats the forum like reddit, behaves like a fool
trinque: !rate -3 nubbins` treats the forum like reddit, behaves like a fool
nubbins`: so, how does everyone feel about there no longer being a lordship?
nubbins`: trinque is too much a fanboi to be rubbed
asciilifeform: terraform the mournful pesthole, one square metre at a time
asciilifeform: well no, planeteering is a business for many folk.
asciilifeform: i dun evenhave a face.
trinque: it was a great time
trinque: why? everyone got to satisfy his emotional needs, feel a part of the process, get his voice heard.
hanbot: jesus fuck jurov, were you bitching about bad faith or not? were you using the fact mp ate a loss before as a justification for why he should do it again or not?
BingoBoingo: In other poor-a-lulz https://archive.is/UbUl0
asciilifeform: i like mircea_popescu because he's a fella who tips pencils.
mircea_popescu: at least if i throw money at whores i get a dance.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 1st thing that always gets raised, when you raise a crowd, is its opinion of self.
mircea_popescu: not a matter of hate or anything fo the sort.
asciilifeform: (what happens when lords a,b,c hate p,q,r,s and wont talk)
asciilifeform: isn't a lord entitled to a formal lowering into pederasty ?
mircea_popescu: but otherwise i've just nullrouted log.b-a
assbot: Logged on 23-03-2016 18:20:49; asciilifeform: note that i am not arguing that this is a moral obligation
hanbot: jurov what you've got is neither a point nor a fact but a contention, and while it may inform your opinion on what your own or other people's actions should be, that is ALL IT CAN DO; it does not in any way grant you the ability to use established good faith thusly.
asciilifeform: and yes, inside of a water pipe it is very boring.
mircea_popescu: sure, if the world were a spherical chicken, etc.
mircea_popescu: that is a peculiarly convenient place. not all places are like that.
asciilifeform: and that settlement is now a religious matter.
mircea_popescu: you realise this sort of argument is actually a very highly skilled, expensive sort of job.
mircea_popescu: yes but you can't simply be argued out of a position then come back with it two hours later.
danielpbarron: sure it doesn't fit in with your retro-actively claiming the double payment was actually a partial early payment of other bets..
danielpbarron: look at the bet page for a resolved bet. You'll see that BitBet claims how much it has sent and to which address it has been sent. This is sufficient for agreement.
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: as i understand, it was proposed as to one possible solution to formalizing the promise made by bbet when a bet is made.
asciilifeform: now, i can see running a mixer from pure profit motive, like an atheist might run a kosher butcher shop
assbot: Logged on 23-03-2016 20:14:39; asciilifeform: if we're subscribing to the 'all coin is fungible' religion, then mixers are a heresy.
davout: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-03-2016#1439262 <<< not a problem per se ☝︎
asciilifeform: ( i still have nfi WHY he send a 0fee ! )
deedbot-: [Daniel P. Barron] A well-ordered family. - http://danielpbarron.com/2016/a-well-ordered-family/
BingoBoingo: <PeterL> ddoes bitbet need to be a mixer? << It was a cool side effect
asciilifeform: or breaks a non-feature.
danielpbarron: no reason it shouldn't be. the above proposition fixes a non-problem
asciilifeform: if we're subscribing to the 'all coin is fungible' religion, then mixers are a heresy. ☟︎
PeterL: ddoes bitbet need to be a mixer?
danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-03-2016#1439254 << not improvement. breaks bbet as a mixer. ☝︎
kakobrekla: but this clearly no longer is the case in #b-a
nubbins`: i think she had a quote somewhere about 0-fee tx expectations too
assbot: So you think you're going to start a Bitcoin business, right? ... ( http://bit.ly/1q2Ftfv )
assbot: So you think you're going to start a Bitcoin business, right? ... ( http://bit.ly/1MVvoFd )
assbot: Logged on 23-03-2016 19:21:24; kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-03-2016#1439145 < this is an interesting q. the second 17 btc was mistakenly sent in bbet name, a mistake for which mp should be liable for.
kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-03-2016#1439239 - see https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=124441.0 and https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=124441.msg1337447#msg1337447 to quote: In order to be able to offer BTC business you must at a minimum be able to correctly and safely handle payments. ☝︎
nubbins`: maybe next a dirigible fleet will hit a button?
asciilifeform: regardless of how davout settles this, you gotta have a consistent algebra of debt.
asciilifeform: because if tx-a had never happened, they would-have-been-paid-by-bbet
assbot: Logged on 23-03-2016 15:43:19; asciilifeform: tomorrow i trip over a cable, fall on a button, accidentally fire pistol, the bullet hits another button, sends him 90 btc.
kakobrekla: the thing is, i was in charge of x, he was in charge of y. a part of y was 'delivery of bitcoin to winning addresses' which, by mp claims, was done wrongfully (hence the charge)
asciilifeform: whereas if spec had been 'winners will receive C coins on addr A from addr B at time T if condition Q' then there would be no puzzle.
asciilifeform: a fella with a long, sharp knife,
PeterL: jurov, wouldn't it be easier, rather than doing two transactions (sweep, then distribute) to just do a single? (bets are used to pay winnings, the 1%fee to a bbet company address)
asciilifeform: the answer - would be obvious to anyone with half a neuron.
asciilifeform: i was arguing a more modest point, that if bbet had ~specified~ what it promised to bettors, we would have no thread here.
asciilifeform: (where it does no one any good to prove that a tx was encoded at a certain time, the sender can still doublespend the funds)
assbot: Logged on 23-03-2016 18:59:09; davout: asciilifeform: do you agree that, if the 17 btc mp sent a second time aren't billed to bbet, it follows that this second transaction can't come in deduction of bbet liabilities to bettors/addresses?
kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-03-2016#1439145 < this is an interesting q. the second 17 btc was mistakenly sent in bbet name, a mistake for which mp should be liable for. ☝︎☟︎
asciilifeform: instead of a buncha rabbis.
asciilifeform: y'know, a ~machine~.
asciilifeform: so that a bitcoin node can calculate whether it in fact happened.
nubbins`: sorry, that's not a proverb
nubbins`: "if i knew everyone'd be so mad about these payouts, i would have kept company funds in a separate address"
jurov: asciilifeform: this souds like "should reimplement bitbet with ether, referees just click a button, gas gets released algoritmically, no possibility of human error"
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trinque: it was a contract between two parties.
asciilifeform: thing is, regardless of how this is settled, there was a catastrophic failure in 'protocol vs promise' land where bbet never nailed down what ~exactly~ bet winners are promised.
nubbins`: davout asciilifeform is mixing metaphors like a vitamix today
nubbins`: if you send BTC to an address i own, i'm not a thieving swine regardless of whether you meant to send it.
nubbins`: it is described in the manual of common sense what will happen if a fool pays a debt twice
asciilifeform: nubbins`: it is described in the manual, what will happen if you send to a closed bet.
nubbins`: just as well to call bbet a thieving swine for keeping that poor asshole's 10 btc that showed up late.
asciilifeform: davout: so the thieving swine who pocketed the windfall, KNEW whose coin it was, and what will happen to bbet, a 0-asset corp, when it is missing, and did nothing - have no greater share of responsibility than other bettors ?
asciilifeform: davout: which is a separate issue.
nubbins`: i'm just pointing a finger and calling a thing by name.
davout: asciilifeform: do you agree that, if the 17 btc mp sent a second time aren't billed to bbet, it follows that this second transaction can't come in deduction of bbet liabilities to bettors/addresses? ☟︎
nubbins`: it's not a business expense anymore
davout: jurov: there's also precedent of dividends being paid twice for a month, and then retained from further divs payments
trinque: in point of fact you can buy a race car with company funds, wtf is that
nubbins`: the public will mock me and call me a fraud
nubbins`: but if i buy a race car for personal use and charge it to the company
nubbins`: as a privately-owned corporation, i can do pretty much whatever the fuck i want
davout: if mp's claim is rejected because he did not in fact act on behalf of bbet, he simply made a gracious donation to random folks of his own volition