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mircea_popescu: no, really, their efforts and value are not for a second in question. but the bridge to absolute "a well designed mathematical mechanism" has not yet been made
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform last i checked with the learned monks, they didn't even have a FUCKING CIPHER
asciilifeform: a well-designed ~mathematical~ mechanism doesn't HAVE 'unknown unknowns.' it has PROOF where 'unless x,y,z ' (e.g., ecdsa break, or p==np) 'mechanism works such-n-such'
mircea_popescu: a very poor understanding of actual finance and actual economics, as much as it is the direct cause of floundering of the formerly great american empire ; is also directly evident at work in bitcoin and among the geeks.
asciilifeform: i can see at least a dozen effective variants of fix.
asciilifeform: anyway i'm a (p0000r) whore today, fwiw.
mircea_popescu: and they think goethe was a genius
asciilifeform: but i have less excuse than most, i followed the subject before it was a subject, had my own crackpot bitcoin, unpublished, a decade ago, etc.
mircea_popescu: not quite. one can be a whore today. time ticks away.
asciilifeform: i walked the razor blade for a very long time, ended up very p0000r for it
mircea_popescu: smart folk are difficult to persuade to give a damn about anything other than onanism.
asciilifeform: it was a difficult time, smart folks were very difficult to persuade to give a damn re bitcoin
mircea_popescu: it may get a run for its money 3-4-6 halvings down the road. maybe even one for each.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i buy the miner cartel! if you recall, i walked into #b-a with miner cartel.
mircea_popescu: in reality however it odes not - because it collapses into a state of even lower energy even faster.
asciilifeform: but they are so threadbare, that a loss of 2-3% can mean death.
mircea_popescu: to a measurable but in any case low tolerance. sure, 0.000001% hash won't matter.
mircea_popescu: how c and d can both stand is a very curious thing indeed.
mircea_popescu: it seems to me any operative model for this dispute will have to be a) item that does something ; b) which would be restricted to members of a priviledged class ; c) which the item is purported not to be a member of ; d) while admitting the priviledged class was necessarily aware of the behaviour and tolerant of it.
asciilifeform: perhaps with respect to (a)
mircea_popescu: this is a very poor identification.
asciilifeform: (a) is cartel, (b) - sybils.
asciilifeform: no hard proof of (a) or (b)
asciilifeform: a top-of-the-line american jet is found with a clean fist-sized hole lengthwise, incl. pilot's arse. pieces reassembled, and everyone shits their pants in astonishment.
mircea_popescu: just... you know... "how did actor plane end up in us controlled airspace ?" "well... they were in on it" "so it was a us plane" "uh no.. it was NOT REALLY." "mk ?"
mircea_popescu: it ~could~ be argued that what they shot down was an ACTOR plane acting the part of being a fighter jet in a film about serbs.
mircea_popescu: i would expect it to be dissolvable on purely formal grounds, because the whole thing is nothing other and nothing more than a nominal attempt. but dunno why this isn't obvious.;
asciilifeform: i believe that mircea_popescu is a clever fella, and that, given the prior available to HIM, it 'necessarily doesn't'
mircea_popescu: (there's also a difference between asking admiral lord nelson what color are his flags ; or how his cannons work ; and asking him why he put the ships in a line ten apart. but this for another time.)
mircea_popescu: but there's a space between what your quote shows and what "futility-cum-insubordination of a footsoldier asking anything" means.
phf: of snap it's a quote-off! two boys enter, one man leave!
asciilifeform: and is a thing.
trinque: and a bunch of #b-a oldfags not doing anything about it
trinque: ben_vulpes │ ... and recognizing the futility-cum-insubordination of a footsoldier asking anything << what foot soldier was this? All I saw was a Ricky from Trailer Park Boys impersonation shouting words he heard on terribly written TV about biznis
diana_coman: and moreover I have to say that a bit earlier in b-a I had this uneasy feeling that people were patting one another on the back, maybe it was just me
ben_vulpes: hard to say, as a cow
ben_vulpes: diana_coman: "change is the only constant!" (d,tmr~). i've no desire for communiteh and happiness and being in a room where everyone gets along. but the logs were valuable in their own right, for as long as they had that continuity.
ben_vulpes: i am fully torn between the poles of wanting to understand why mircea_popescu burned the coins to make the point, desperately wanting continuity with the logs-as-they-were, and recognizing the futility-cum-insubordination of a footsoldier asking anything
phf: diana_coman: just to clarify, the framing was deliberate and part of a larger thread. when i started conversation kakobrekla and nubbins were both trigger happy and aggressive, the purpose of the entire thread was to figure out where they stand by softening their disposition. talking in terms of competency (worded as a hypothetical accusation to be weighted by a hypothetical court) has proven effective in the past in clarifying kakobrekla's thinki
mircea_popescu: i mean on a 80% sort of approach, sure, no problem
mircea_popescu: phf> asciilifeform: how's conversation links going to work? << this is actually a rather complex problem. i suspect they well might not work at all.
mircea_popescu: shtylman had an exchange that was "hacked", all sorts of ridiculous pretentious bs. wore a derpy hat ; was supposed to be some sort of white kid genius.
mircea_popescu: chaangnoi aka goat aka 1k other things is some derpy wanna-be living in thailand and for a while doing whatever dubious coolie business in and around glbse. mostly pirate-related scammerships.
mircea_popescu: dproberts i imagine is to be the derpy guy with a "drugs market" that couldn't sell a bag of coke ; also ordered some "murders for highre".
mircea_popescu: anyway, for the curious minds among the new folks, let's run through that list. jared kenna for a while ran the 2nd largest btc/usd exchange. ran off with the piggy, started a real estate development with it, had the unmitigated audacity to try coming back into bitcoin, because hey, "community" is worth a bowl of soup a head.
danielpbarron: aegis is some guy i traded a bunch of cash in the mail with, and then flipped out over something i don't even recall what, but it was back when i was in otc
pete_dushenski: inb4 all the 'joke' characters from last april fool's ~actually~ populate b-a. obligatory : http://trilema.com/2015/ok-ok-you-had-me-d/
asciilifeform: now i could be wrong, perhaps it ~won't~ become a magnet for the vermin that were previously shot on sight
asciilifeform: but note, i did predict, classical b-a will die an immunocompromised death, without mircea_popescu's ddt spray
pete_dushenski: it's been a educational day in more sense than one then
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: i for one had nfi there ~was~ a 'bench'
phf: kind of like a fellah who heard girl he fancies broke up, "hey, how's it going! yeah, i've just been in the neighborhood, oh you broke up? too bad.... so is there anyone on the horizon???"
pete_dushenski: more than a few of the starting line-up vacated the premises, giving the benchwarmers a fresh shot
phf: oh i remembered what the flags are http://glyf.org/h/b-a?no-spacing&nick=asciilifeform
phf: asciilifeform: it's an older version that i wrote a while ago and been using for reading
asciilifeform: phf: i see b-a log with buncha white space
phf: http://glyf.org/h/b-a
mircea_popescu: but for the other thing, and more important i guess : it's strictly impossible by now to distinguish teenager daughter from wife in a film. not only because the fucking actresses represented as sexually powerful are so fucking neotenuous it's uncanny ; but also because of the retarded habit of giving women the same age all the fucking roles. they're all "29" ; and finally because fucking hell family relations in anglosphere...
asciilifeform: from imdb, reminiscent of a different, fun film, 'hanna'
trinque: phf: if you've got a log viewer nearly complete, do you want a postgresql db connection from me for it? I'll be collecting logs with the new deedbot.
asciilifeform: shinohai must be reading a very different log than i
pete_dushenski: i will say that it's on the quiet side in #trilema atm, but after glancing at the #b-a logs for 15 seconds, the noise gave me such a headache that i quickly forgave the selective speech and appreciated the tranquility here. i doubt i'm alone in this either.
phf: asciilifeform: you keep saying "this like spanish revolution" but i don't think anyone actually groks what that means, because so far #b-a is like a sociological study of mutiny
asciilifeform: taiwan is a dr.mengele creation of usg, just as, e.g., israel, and i can't fathom how it could outlast the creator
asciilifeform: i used to work with a fella from there
mircea_popescu: a. s'okay, i only read one so won't likely be confused.
PeterL: well, in #b-a not long ago I said somebody was going to reply in the wrong chan, confuse everybody, couple hours later asciilifeform does
mircea_popescu: yes you. "see, x" generally implies a "i believe y", not clear what that y'd be here.
asciilifeform: PeterL: according to mircea_popescu, his machine polled a net of thousands of nodez, none of whom claimed to have heard of tx-a, before he transmitted the final tx of doom
PeterL: I have not yet been convinced there is a need to leave it
pete_dushenski: is mike_c going to be switching btcalpha over to deedbot- then ? or a new wotsite needed as well ? /me is a big fan of btcalpha...
PeterL: is there a plan to have an assbot style ticker in this chan as well?
pete_dushenski: http://nymag.com/scienceofus/2016/03/serious-question-can-a-parrot-act-as-a-witness-in-court.html << computers are cheaper than women, but perhaps not cheaper than parrots
pete_dushenski: i think it'd be sweet to have a repository for viewing the latter
shinohai: I wanted something a little nicer to look at that listed solely trb nodes. I know it is on wiki but ...
pete_dushenski: shinohai: well it'd be a neat service if you ever finished it up. fuck bitnodes.io
mircea_popescu: i'd say about a day ?
mircea_popescu: a cool.
shinohai: trilemabot is me playing with a logbot
asciilifeform: (when was the last time somebody actually invented a usable knot...?)
asciilifeform: phf: apparently originally a naval knot, http://alpnews.narod.ru/uzly/#20
phf: asciilifeform: "He was known for inventing the ULI knot, a method for priming explosives using detonating cord. The Uli knot resembles a hangman knot and is the most effective way of priming C4 explosives, especially when underwater."
asciilifeform makes feeeaaature request: a chinese fella!
mircea_popescu: actually - one man, one harem, one notebook china could do this. if you feed a dozen girls, their workouts will certainly power the book.
phf: it could make for a nice backup in a joey hess style household. guy lives off the grid, hacks by candlelight with his low power netbook, sometimes "i'll be out for the next few days, it's been gray out, so not enough juice in batteries", etc.
asciilifeform: a serious sportsman can put out 1hp! (for a spell)
mircea_popescu: more than that even. i've personally climbed the stairwell going from valley of kings over the mountain into the queen's. took a few hours, but it's a good 150-200meters tall. that's a good 30-40 kwh
asciilifeform: (a reasonably-healthy, well-fed grown man can crank out 100W, 200 - in bursts. employ reddit!11)
BingoBoingo: consumables, but it is a rural folk invention
BingoBoingo: In other news, finally a human powered generator that isn't all cardio http://www.gravpower.org/
mircea_popescu: is "paetreus' caviar" too late a testing stone for the theory ?
mircea_popescu: anyway, for the curious student of political history, i'd gladly read a piece explaining the differences between the "denazification" as carried out by the allied control council from 1946 onwards ; and the various internal troubles of the eastern socialist party, whether you pick dekulakization, or de-trotskyfication, or great leap forward or w/e.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu is a pro entomologist.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Seems you actually shelled out for a dosimeter with better alarm?
asciilifeform: y'know, as a boy, i was playing with other boyz in the yard and mentioned съезд кпсс , and they laughed. i learned lesson - for life. ☟︎
PeterL: GOP sold out to obama, he wa forced to step down, his chosen successor was flatly told no, so a different guy stepped forward to take power
mircea_popescu: was always a retrospective justification, no more.
mircea_popescu: this is the wasp pretense. to my eyes a direct equivalent to nixon's delusioned in place "silent electorate". i don't think it ever held any water.
PeterL: like how boenher was doing things to force his will on the House of Reps, and a small subset of republicans forced him out of power
mircea_popescu: even if they did have such incredible intellects, it'd still take time, and the public is a wage slave, which means that no, not the fucking public.