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asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: see if this rings a bell. there were two kinds of bettors on bbet. one that did not get double-paid. and one that 1) did 2) kept quite, kept the coin and possibly a 3) got double-paid, returned the coin. i am not aware of any (3) and kakobrekla stated that 3 was empty set.
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: were you there for the mega-thread re: which of the two cuts actually is a socialist thing ?
ben_vulpes: trinque: i'd expect at least a court and a forum
trinque: ben_vulpes: many things called themselves republic throughout history, but I don't see how there being a court precludes there being a republic.
asciilifeform: 17:26 <+ben_vulpes> tangentially relatedly, i've been trying to reconcile "designing a fork to heal the breach between miners and nodes" with "proceed from causes not towards purposes" << this is not a mega-conundrum.
ben_vulpes: tangentially relatedly, i've been trying to reconcile "designing a fork to heal the breach between miners and nodes" with "proceed from causes not towards purposes"
ben_vulpes: it's not a true double spend unless you spend...twice.
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: now you gotta doublespend a couplea times!111
pete_dushenski: in other news, i managed to [absent-mindedly] get a 0txfee tx broadcast, and am now waiting to see if any miners are going to snap it up. doesn't look like there are many 0txfees being incorporated into blocks atm, so i'm not holding my breath on a quickee
pete_dushenski: http://philipmaymin.com/papers/Philip%20Maymin%20and%20Zakhar%20Maymin%20-%20Any%20Regulation%20of%20Risk%20Increases%20Risk%20-%20FMPM%202012.pdf << 'Thus, we conclude that the effect of any objective rules for regulation will result both in more risk being taken by each individual bank, and by the risks taken by different banks to be more correlated with each other, resulting in a far more fragile financial system than
BingoBoingo: Sherer took that as a statement that the government can essentially do what it likes—a claim he found unbelievable.
ben_vulpes: mhm, steve yegge had a piece called "quality without a name", large part was how amazon used (heavily customized) emacs for customer support during the early years, and support staff hated everything that came afterwards
mircea_popescu: phf for my curiosity, will << be a reserved symbol ? to demonstrate to alf the value and importance of in-band control codes ?
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: do you have a copy of yegge's "quality without a name" stashed somewhere?
phf: so mix and match the basic components and you get a working foundation for xref
asciilifeform: sorta like a 2-pass asm.
phf: there's basically a generic annotation-tron, that walks in memory log entries (on account of the whole past b-a log neatly fitting into 130mb of ram)
phf: well, would not be the first for a lisper
mircea_popescu pours himself a glass of popcorn, waits for phf to fully ensnare himself in the monstruous task he's contemplating.
phf: up is superfluous really on account of there being a link, but down lets you see what was referenced later
mircea_popescu: antonescu got pissed off, rounded population, shot a bunch. because hurr.
phf: asciilifeform: there's a good kebab place in vienna which is a 30 minute drive for me, but i still make the trip from time to time, it's worth it. the food is OK, but the atmosphere is very "faux upscale tehran"
asciilifeform: somewhere in the 1,000,000,001 things-i-hate-about-usaschwitz is that it is a world with no past.
mircea_popescu: phf a right, stefan' sword still there neh /
mircea_popescu: for your peace of mind it was there a decade ago also, had a lulz with chetty at teh same pretense.
mircea_popescu: if rich however, everyone raises pigs, cuts by arrangement, fresh meat 2-3 times a week
mircea_popescu: a feast fit for the peasant's table!
phf: in philadelphia you can buy into a cow share and get a bunch of excellent steak for i suppose once in a year feast
mircea_popescu: depends. as late as 2004 you could still get a decent steak cut, even in ny.
asciilifeform: phf: on occasion i go to this cellar in old dc where a buncha turks make ~actual ice cream.
mircea_popescu: she just has a speech about her dog trudy.
mircea_popescu: there sits the chick, confronted with some vacationing kids, she has not the werewithal to ACCEPT their offer for a ride
mircea_popescu: phf think on just one thing : i also train women to be human. oft they get a task to talk to random people. they NEVER get a fucking task to memorize and recite random strings.
mircea_popescu: i dunno if you ever played x-com interceptor, which was a splendid game
asciilifeform: just about every respectably old dwelling with a cellar was believed to have some hidden entrance into catacomb.
asciilifeform: a fragment of an old kgb map did once surface, and, lulzily, had markings '10cm', '20cm', etc. old map keeper was asked: 'what are these? cm of water?'
asciilifeform: and in fact continued as a thing well into gunpowder age (undermining worked 10x better with kegs of powder than with ordinary dig-tunnel-with-wood-supports-then-burn-them method of old)
phf: well, it's also doom 1 map convention "if it looks cool and complicated and lets you run through it's a base"
mircea_popescu: it has no such root. castles were expensive, because of the stone. ~nobody built anything without a very good purpose.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: as i understand, the original trope of 'fortress with many corridors going nowhere' has a root in history: anti-undermining tunnel systems from medieval times. largely undocumented (passed by word of mouth) and in some cases survived to 19th c., spawning the meme.
mircea_popescu: there's a very good reason the character wears black. there is no fucking convention re the open storm sewer in the desert.
mircea_popescu: what if the chicken plant 20 miles down has an accident and sends a 7 foot tall chickenshitsludge tsunami ? does your base smell of chicken shit for the next three decades ?
mircea_popescu: who the fuck designs bases with open storm sewer into the desert ? what if it's a fucking rain, your base gets wet ?
mircea_popescu: a lot less humourless tedium and unselfaware, unintentional self-irony critting would have also helped.
mircea_popescu: and unlike there, they actually needed a waif someone could conceivably want to fuck, here.
mircea_popescu: much like aeron flux, this film sins because a) the chick should have been naked about 50% of the film more, ie 50% instead of 0% ;
asciilifeform: it is sop, a cargo-cultist's film about aeronautics
mircea_popescu: it's a remake of the 5th element, except the new mila jovovich (that eskimo looking chick that played suzi q, the rape victim) is not up to the dumb blonde par ; and without bruce willis the whole thing decays into incredible ineptitude.
asciilifeform: solzhenitsyn's thing with 'if every man hit the arresting kgb agent with an axe' is not wholly mistaken, but consider, individual bee sting does not kill a bear. ~hive~ stings.
asciilifeform: my understanding is that mircea_popescu sees the difference as a 'balls', 'blood & iron' matter of personal courage. whereas it is slightly gnarlier, pashtun has his family->clan->tribe healthy human thing going, eskimo likewise, usian - has the 'star topology' with the Great Inca at the center and ~nothing else~ but own sorry carcass.
danielpbarron: it's alright as a novelty
danielpbarron: used to to make a bunch of 0.001 notes to hand out
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ... "pleaded guilty on Tuesday to a federal terrorism charge" << recall, a few kidz were convicted after ~publicly speaking in favour of~ isis et al.
asciilifeform: Mar 30 10:07:22 <shinohai>tl;dr USer puts 43 BTC on a paper wallet he doesn't understand. << wtf is a 'piper wallet' ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ' ... and check it out, the us has more "law enforcement agencies" than there are people who give a shit ' << 15 ~federal~ police agencies with powers of arrest alone! iirc.
shinohai: tl;dr USer puts 43 BTC on a paper wallet he doesn't understand.
danielpbarron: PeterL, http://s.b-a.link/?q=deedbot+feeds+add
mircea_popescu: "identified more than 70,000 untested sexual assault kits in the custody of more than 1,000 law enforcement agencies in communities large and small, pointing to a national accumulation of untested kits that likely reaches well into the hundreds of thousands across the nation’s 18,000 law enforcement agencies." << and check it out, the us has more "law enforcement agencies" than there are people who give a shit whether it li
mircea_popescu: by now the entire usg government is approximately a webforum.
mircea_popescu: "The couple was identified by authorities after they contacted undercover federal agents online about assistance traveling to Syria." ; "pleaded guilty on Tuesday to a federal terrorism charge"
mircea_popescu: wait, that's a crime ?
mircea_popescu: ("A Michigan woman was arrested after she expressed a willingness to have sex with a pair she thought was a father and underage daughter, police said.", obviously. gotta keep teh gestapo fed. publish or perish!)
mats: they did retake tikrit, but that's not rly a win... just less of a loss
mircea_popescu: "fierce fighting" being, you know, people who stood a post for half an hour amirite
phf: via b-a http://imgur.com/zbwyWip
mats: when he said he 'kitted out [his] detecting gear', i thought he bought a mounted MD/GPR thing for his vehicle
phf: what's our preferred gcc version? i'm having a brain malfunction
phf: a very sensible decision
asciilifeform: for non-readers of old earthling #b-a , nyooz: cazalla +rated a buncha folks, said his goodbyes (he's become... a mineral prospector?)
gribble: Error: "s" is not a valid command.
asciilifeform: aha, in the sense where one can write a proggy, which is guaranteed to terminate in finite number of cycles, and will disgorge it.
phf: i assume you're talking not about a mechanism, but rather thinking process, in which case mp's private key is "known".
mircea_popescu: that's a deduction. you keep changing 2, that's your inductive job.
asciilifeform: just need a few thousand years of deductatron
mircea_popescu: phf quite exactly. which is why i don't use the term nor think much of reasonings employing it as a rule.
asciilifeform: the thing about 'crazy' is that, like bacterial infection, in practice it comes in a handful of varieties.
mircea_popescu: mno. obvious does have a rigurous definition.
asciilifeform: 'obvious' is a term of art in mathematics.
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform often asks pet, 'what does your female coprocessor say to ..X..' << not a bad line, this.
mircea_popescu: "<mircea_popescu> at any rate : it is immensely more difficult to actually make a physical proof than the scheme detailed by bernstein immediately makes apparent."
phf: that's a prior that can be easier transferred, but only to an extent. i've not had that specific experience, perhaps there's some insight there that i'm missing beyond the obvious
mircea_popescu: i took a piss on a woman splayed in the backalleys of cairo. you did not. this is now not-transferrable ?!
phf: mircea_popescu: i clarified it a bit with "non-trivial to transfer"
phf: well, danielpbarron believes in god, i (for sake of conversation) don't. that's a non-transferable prior, though of course both can be transferred through various involved mechanisms. indoctrination, dialogues, sudden insight
mircea_popescu: me either. public is anything that can be stated in such a way so that another can recognize his own in the statement ; private is what can not.
mircea_popescu: not a bad nick, actually.
phf: i might find a discussion of lent dietary choices both interesting and not at all uncomfortable, but never the less they are "crazy" because the foundation is understood but not shared
phf: danielpbarron: we have it in orthodox christianity. a period when you have to eat specific, reduced diet
mircea_popescu: and while at it, what's "a religious fundamentalist" ?
phf: well, danielpbarron is a religious fundamentalist. things that he says have to be recoded from his frame to my frame. if there's particularly prolonged periods of inability to map frames on my part, i can go "well this is crazy" and dismiss it as not bring relevant to me or i can spend significantly more effort to recode
DianaComan: phf: i'm just saying there was plenty of opportunities to speak up against crazy in the past, and i saw plenty of crazy and i just thought everyone else took it in strides, as part of the game. apparently not! <- at a stretch crazy might be seen as an insult I suppose
phf: danielpbarron expressed some concern that the following part of yesterdays #b-a log was an accusation made by me against mircea_popescu. i don't see it, but perhaps i'm missing something? http://paste.lisp.org/display/311820/raw
asciilifeform: PeterL: TaT + a buncha very peculiar visitors
pete_dushenski: maybe tmsr just needed a stepping stone between itself and reddit
PeterL: meh, a couple people poked their heads in, no more than any other time in #b-a, I don't see any corpse-munching yet
asciilifeform: lulzily, in other nooze, classic #b-a is undergoing a very corpselike decomposition, fauna nobody even knew existed are devouring the carcass
asciilifeform: there is a broader class of 'soft' negatives, e.g., 'you can X but it will take the mass of whole galaxy times 10^100' or whatnot.
mircea_popescu: by which i mean that a) all use is already in use - sure, an ant can't eat you, because of it - but you kinda already both know and use this and b) all uses not already in use are monstrously cataclysmic and temporally unapproachable. so the kelvin death, really ? oooo, neat, lemme make that into a doorlock!
mircea_popescu: at any rate : it is immensely more difficult to actually make a physical proof than the scheme detailed by bernstein immediately makes apparent.
mircea_popescu: lol are you publishing inept quyantum blabla pieces under a chinese pseudonym ?