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mircea_popescu: i have ?
mircea_popescu: in general "what to do" has been a foremost topic in everyone's head for days now, i would imagine.
asciilifeform: i.e. many small derps pooling
assbot: Logged on 25-08-2015 18:53:47; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: re: workfunctions, there was once some theoretical work concerning 'non-outsourceable puzzles', i.e. mathematical magic preventing the formation of pools by allowing any pool participant to silently and untraceably claim the entire block reward. but i cannot recall if this went anywhere other than academiwankery.
mircea_popescu: anyway, i suppose it's absolutely obvious and entirely uncontroversial that a bitcoin with cartel-mining is entirely uninteresting to everyone.
asciilifeform: but who am i to say.
mircea_popescu: why do you suppose anything has to be said in particular ? i dun follow.
mod6: so if derps wanna use centralized mining shitware, they can continue. but i wont, and you wont.
asciilifeform: and i admit that i wonder about mpex.
mircea_popescu: mod6 your call to make, together with ben_vulpes i guess - the point remains, if no trb offering in july, no trb offering in july.
mod6: if this is all correct, then i agree with alf. there is no reason to continue work on trb - we should suspend, indefinately, all efforts therein. At least until somehow we have a re-write that resolves these issues.
mircea_popescu: i'd honestly much prefer the situation where "evangelism" never happened.
JuliaTourianski_: i was thinking blocksize
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://megalyrics.ru/lyric/vladimir-vysotskii/zk-vasiliev-i-zk-pietrov.htm << oblig re zeks.
mircea_popescu: hopefully some hicks from missouri capture you and i can hear all about the ozarks supremacy for a while.
asciilifeform: i'm a prisoner.
mircea_popescu: and sure, you can blame the miners. the problem is - the design sort-of forced this endgame upon them. i doubt most of the chinese even understand ~what went wrong~, in the very faint general, letalone in this specific ~what we did wrong~. by the chinese bible they were being very reasonable and i just don't understand how the world works. ach ach my dear fellow mp.
asciilifeform: and, as usual, i have a pill against these boojums, but it is very bitter and i promise that no one will want it.
asciilifeform: or rather i have quite fi
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i read whole thing, and cannot even begin to count the necessary barf buckets.
BingoBoingo: I'm trying to digest how this all relates if the biggest schelling point of Cliter reign follows halving.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: oh how i hated that thing
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I'm just trying to figure out how to cover this actual crisis now that Bitcoin has one.
mircea_popescu: anyway, ftr, re ben_vulpes link (not that i've read it or intend to read random derpage from nobodies on topics) - years ago protecting miner investment made sense as a topic.
asciilifeform: 'know i did nothng wrong'
mircea_popescu: as long as "i did nothing wrong" at each successive point, you'll be a happy dead man.
mircea_popescu: stop worring about what things mean and what may come and so forth, focus on doing the right thing at each juncture i say.
asciilifeform: so i can l0llate.
asciilifeform: and anyway i predicted in '13 when first showed up here.
asciilifeform: hey if i knew how to fly a dirigible, i'd be flyin.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-03-2016#1422950 << so am i thick, or what did nsa even want if not for mircea_popescu to go long on fiat? ☝︎
asciilifeform: i want my 10 seconds back.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i stopped reading at 'Any good solution in this space must also preserve the large investments many miners have made and are planning to make in their equipment.' and the swimming pool photo (??!)
mircea_popescu: a sort of puberty i guess.
mircea_popescu: i'll click later
ben_vulpes: but that's all i've found so far.
ben_vulpes: i found an antipooling design 'idea' on hackingdistributed
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-03-2016#1422905 << actually i'd go to that one. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes if you did so did i.
assbot: Logged on 05-03-2016 19:43:06; fluffypony: mostly in the context of "we should have invited him to add a voice to this, but I doubt he'd come to the USA"
ben_vulpes: did i miss a fork proposal for july that would nuke miner cartelization, or perhaps even pooled mining?
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-03-2016#1422884 << well, the privacy risks aren't exactly dubious in that i don't atm see how ring signatures would prevent miner cartel from attacking bitbet. except, of course, if predicated on "miners are lazy and dumb". which is true - until they aren't. much like ants are lazy and dumb, until they get into the fridge, at which point they'll dumbly&lazily never want to leave. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 05-03-2016 19:34:34; asciilifeform: and so now i'm stuck having to juggle pots of own coin to maintain this so-called auto anonymity ?
assbot: Logged on 05-03-2016 19:04:44; punkman: I think wot+credit-lines solutions are interesting, sorta like the original ripple before the derps bought the name
fluffypony: I don't think there was a question of whether or not he would come
danielpbarron: oh it was in the US? where? I thought it was on some island somewhere
fluffypony: mostly in the context of "we should have invited him to add a voice to this, but I doubt he'd come to the USA" ☟︎
fluffypony: I'm not kicking anything, I just find it amusing
asciilifeform: guess what, i have no puppy.
asciilifeform: except perhaps in the 'you kicked my puppy so i'll kick yours' sense ?
fluffypony: ah yes, the asciilifeform "everything is bad except this hardware thing I've been working on for 4 years and still can't finish" argument
asciilifeform: fluffypony: if i'm, e.g., bitbet, and ROUTINELY reveal outputs, the chance is 100%.
asciilifeform: this is the thing about fancy schemes, apparently i'm an evil terrorist for thinking 17 steps ahead instead of the apparently assumed 1 or 2.
asciilifeform: and so now i'm stuck having to juggle pots of own coin to maintain this so-called auto anonymity ? ☟︎
asciilifeform: i did.
asciilifeform: srsly i am tired of the crypto abuse.
fluffypony: (by nothing I mean its effects are cryptographically negligible)
asciilifeform: i know of at least 3 'dark coin' schemes, each of dubious cryptographic foundation, for 'nonpublic tx'
asciilifeform: if i want this, i can go to kandahar.
punkman: I think wot+credit-lines solutions are interesting, sorta like the original ripple before the derps bought the name ☟︎
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: the one thing i will say for certain is that the moving parts gotta be ~number-theoretical~ entities, rather than idiot protocol-promise goop
BingoBoingo did suggest werc + plugin universe, but I have yet to explore that much myself
mircea_popescu: i myself am persuaded that's a very accurate model of how "force air in oral cavity" would work.
asciilifeform: (i consider a machine where ctrl is NOT where capslock usually is, and capslock isn't GONE, -- UNUSABLE)
asciilifeform: on proper machine i do it in hardware.
mircea_popescu: i see it.
mircea_popescu: hm. i recall the exact quote. derp was "and then i felt like i was pushing extra hard..."
mircea_popescu: ;;google "i remember pushing extra hard" weightlifter anal
asciilifeform: i think about this story every time i turn on my compressor.
asciilifeform: i have always wondered if this is a plausible tale, anatomically
asciilifeform: well there is a dimm on my desk stamped 'made in philippines.' there is not, and i looked, one 'made in kenya'.
danielpbarron: pretty sure i had swap actived on that one
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: You may have to flense your wordpress further or consider an alternate blogotron based off of werc (Which I have been thinking about but have lacked the chance to explore myself yet)
danielpbarron: very strange, I can ping it on my local network, but can't ssh to it
danielpbarron: well that's odd.. i'm ircing from the same ip
thestringpuller: i guess this is where the phrase, "Can I get what you're somking" comes from
thestringpuller: BingoBoingo: i'm half tempted to temporarily lower my iq with drugs just to understand "them" better...
BingoBoingo: I'm honestly pleased that the spanish used it so simple as to be easily and painlessly read without translating thinking
BingoBoingo: I'll dig up the archive of the theo mail but he sent it today if anyone else wants to dig first
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i agree. but it means a very tight belt.
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell shinohai Fine. I'll show you how to juice that headline with a story in under 100 words, just to intoduce a target.
asciilifeform: i am not mircea_popescu, and have no wiggle room.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: unless it pays immediately, i can't afford it.
BingoBoingo: I mean the vacation that lets you afford other vacations. You know the one where you sit in a cabin to make trb fork. Not full adacoin, but the possibility of adacoin.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i will have vacation when i'm dead.
mircea_popescu: kinda what i was going to say next, "don't worry too much, things have a way of sorting themselves out"
asciilifeform: but i for one don't see anyone winning from this but usg.
mircea_popescu: anyway, what you're missing, perhaps on account of age, is that... well... i recall hanging out with kakobrekla back when bitcoin was 2 dollars.
asciilifeform: buy coin at 400 so i can pay rent with it at 0.50 ?
asciilifeform: i would like to be wrong about this. but i see no parachute.
assbot: Logged on 05-03-2016 14:51:11; mircea_popescu: ^ for the record, i've been divesting, if slowly.
mircea_popescu: i suppose IF the july many-fork time comes and trb has nothing to offer then it might as well close. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: and honestly, what the everloving fuck do i care. bitcoin with mining cartel is literally, and i do mean LITERALLY just a very slow, unreliable and expensive visa run by idiots.
asciilifeform: i came pre-fucked
asciilifeform: well that's why i didn't mention me
mircea_popescu: i thought you didn't have any, didn't care to have any and didn't etc ?
mircea_popescu: i even got the timing almost right. half month precision over 3 years in bitcoin is pretty impressive.
asciilifeform: or do i catastrophically misunderstand.
mircea_popescu: except i couldn't care less about the derps. what, you think they're people or something ?
mircea_popescu: ^ for the record, i've been divesting, if slowly. ☟︎