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nubbins`: if mp no longer finds a use for btc, i'm eagerly awaiting the liquidation of all mpex assets
shinohai: Not a lord here, but I have a lot of time invested in trb and I agree with danielpbarron.
danielpbarron: i'm not interested in bitcoin if he's not interested in it ☟︎☟︎
kakobrekla: i dont think it did.
nubbins`: if that's a "theory falling apart", i'd like to see you guys take on gravity, or germ theory
nubbins`: all i see is mp and alf complaining loudly that sturles' node shouldn't work the way it does because it's improper
nubbins`: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-03-2016#1424380 << against better judgment, i figured i'd go back and re-read sturles' conversation just in case i'd missed something ☝︎
punkman: not like I used it anyway but annoying
nubbins`: aaaand ftr i meant what i said about being relieved of duties, imagine sending a 17btc tx out into the wild and then /sending the same amount of money again from a different address/
jurov: So, w're back to mp and alf being 80% i guess.
mircea_popescu: if i wanted to talk to redditards i'd make a reddit account.
nubbins`: bbl i need a drink
nubbins`: i tried putting it in simplified english for you, but it didn't take
mircea_popescu: there's no "logical rebuttal". you have some facts, go write a theory. maybe i'll bother reading it. seeing who it comes from, probably not. that's all.
nubbins`: i like how when you run out of logical rebuttals it's all "dude" and "srsly, just w/e"
mircea_popescu: whatever. keep your ideas, i don't want them nor do they carry any value.
mircea_popescu: as opposed to "here is what i opine - i know all about huffing glue because, practically speaking, it's what i do all day".
mircea_popescu: i'm sure it'll bring greatness to canada or w/e.
mircea_popescu: nubbins`> http://qntra.net/2016/03/a-miner-problem/#comment-47702 << FTR i thought this was obv the case << because it's neither obvious nor the case.
nubbins`: i cannot see the ground!
nubbins`: i feel bad carrying on but this is seriously the highest lelevator i've ever been in
jurov: i am accepting transferwise
nubbins`: but if three other high priority taco lovers clog their toilets first, i'm waiting in line
nubbins`: listen, i'm a high priority customer at Mr. Rooter
danielpbarron: i don't see how a "mempool flood" should effect a high priority transaction.. or was the flooder sophisticated enough to have created all the inputs long ago so that they too would be high priority?
danielpbarron: i guess this falls into the "well what the heck is the protocol, oh right there isn't one" category. How do you know a miner will choose a high fee tx over a high priority tx?
nubbins`: <mircea_popescu> does this come with an absolute guarantee that i am not responsible for anything past raw tx, and if it never gets included, bettor is out the money, because i will not under any circumstances repay it ? << lel better not stick with 0-fee tx if you're gonna go that route.
nubbins`: http://qntra.net/2016/03/a-miner-problem/#comment-47702 << FTR i thought this was obv the case upon reading the article and was baffled as to why it took so long for someone to mention.
jurov: but in the course of this, i got an idea, is there a small lisp/scheme implemented in ada?
asciilifeform: but i have nfi what it does...
nubbins`: wow, i've been an ebay member since 1999
assbot: Logged on 06-03-2016 14:06:31; nubbins`: http://i.imgur.com/VdqDetk.jpg
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-03-2016#1424225 << ty nubbins` , will do when i get home ☝︎
mircea_popescu: but i mean.. what shooting ? what ?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i must confess i don't get the latest qntra. wut ?
assbot: Logged on 06-03-2016 18:41:13; mod6: As shitty as all of this is, I think we're in a unique position now to actually resolve all of these issues that have been plaguing us from the beginning.
assbot: Logged on 06-03-2016 18:39:43; mod6: i saw beedog coin mentioned earlier, is this just a madeup name for next-coin?
asciilifeform: mod6: actually i admit that ~all of us~ in same room always made me a bit uneasy.
mod6: i guess we can do all of this here.
asciilifeform: i suppose we could sync onetimepads.
assbot: Logged on 06-03-2016 19:56:34; mod6: now that this all happened, i kinda wish there was c4 this year.
mod6: now that this all happened, i kinda wish there was c4 this year. ☟︎
asciilifeform: i like that there is more than one implementation
asciilifeform: i also considered standard-ml
asciilifeform: i forget why.
assbot: Logged on 06-03-2016 18:39:43; mod6: i saw beedog coin mentioned earlier, is this just a madeup name for next-coin?
asciilifeform: i prefer dragon (red, with knight)
mod6: I like the idea of possibly incorporating gossip into the mix.
mod6: I feel better about that.
mod6: As shitty as all of this is, I think we're in a unique position now to actually resolve all of these issues that have been plaguing us from the beginning. ☟︎
mod6: i saw beedog coin mentioned earlier, is this just a madeup name for next-coin? ☟︎☟︎
mod6: <+shinohai> prb v0.12.0 crashes my computer every time I start it up :/ (QT version anyway) << i lel'd.
shinohai: I am slowly losing any interest in Bitcoin besides a medium for buying drugs.
punkman: I wonder wtf the last guy used to secure the float's lever because it must have dissolved
shinohai: prb v0.12.0 crashes my computer every time I start it up :/ (QT version anyway)
asciilifeform: as i think anyone living outside africa knows
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform because convention. why do i imagine putting girl on knees is humiliating ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so i'd have to constantly see this.
mircea_popescu: because if biulbiul has an argument with fatme, i am still fucking both.
mircea_popescu: try another : every morning when i wake up now, i read the log. this, i like. if i were using your coin, every morning when i woke up, i would conceivably be greeted by a list of notifications : "group X has now split. in five. would you like to name the shards or ignore the shards, for each shard ?"
asciilifeform: it does not bother me. if i need to create or receive such a thing, i buy moar disk. or tell the other fella 'make smaller files'
mircea_popescu: so then. what do i do with the 5btc ?
mircea_popescu: i dunno about your or anyone else's experience, but i personally have spent my entire life to date in the company of people whose takes were fundamentally irreconcilable. ever since a wee tyke doing double time between the upper crups exclusive school and the criminal underworld.
mircea_popescu: what did you think i meant ?
asciilifeform: by 'meet' i specifically mean 'have to agree on something'
asciilifeform: i.e. why do their ledgers differ to begin with ?
mircea_popescu: not being a superposition of eigenstates myself, but a resolved one, i can't both credit and not credit the 5btc. would seem i have to choose one.
mircea_popescu: now - person X comes to me with a 5 BTC which he wants to spend on milk. B sees the 5 as valid ; A, as invalid. i know both A and B. does this mean i have to choose ?
mircea_popescu: ok, take the nonsense practically : there's A, as illustrated yesterday, the group of six nude ladies ; there's B, b-a. i hope you folks aren't nude atm ?
asciilifeform: well for some reason you sent hanbot to turn over dumpsters in alleys and find'em. so here i am.
mircea_popescu: why do i always run into people nuttier than myself ?
asciilifeform: and money, as i stole from another mircea_popescu article, 'is a function of the forum'
mircea_popescu: i don't expect this realisation to be within common reach.
mircea_popescu: ie, THEY think i paid you 5 btc, but THOSE OTHERS see that same 5 btc going to him. and well.. it's just how it is.
mircea_popescu: specifically what i mean - how about quantum money ? (yes sum X settled as Y in subgrapg S1, but as Z in subgraph S2. problem ?)
asciilifeform: isn't that what i just said ?
asciilifeform: (i know of no system where random moves are reliably +ev)
mircea_popescu: and i'm telling you, the solution to a broken knee is not to break an elbow.
mircea_popescu: trust me, unlike you that doesn't play, i ~created~ a homeostatic game world.
asciilifeform: (i.e. come to agreement)
asciilifeform: i forget.
mircea_popescu: i'll put some boxes to it as a seed, whosoever wants to do the same can do the same and it can take it from there.
asciilifeform: the one problem that i was not able to solve, now just as a decade ago when i started thinking about it, is 'initial allocation.' satoshi's solution, as can be seen now, was retarded.
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: what i was trying to say is that no one, afaik, has ever proposed and implemented entirely novel mechanism.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform for your own peace of mind : i would ~definitely~ support a beedog coin, irrespective of how cartel mining impasse is resolved or the eventual fate of current-bitcoin.
asciilifeform: ;;later tell nubbins` how many can i get for 1btc.
nubbins`: i'mma leave you guys to it
asciilifeform: it is what i've been quietly laying out, yes.
asciilifeform: because i utterly don't get it
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: we have, but I think you overestimate the facilities required to execute such a plan...
asciilifeform: i'd rather burn it.
asciilifeform: the way it works is that if i sold, e.g., 10k of coin, i get to give 4k to usg immediately.
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: slavery is slavery, however i must admit house niggas were treated better than the outdoor field niggas.
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: i must wonder if you would still agree if you knew what i do to pay for the 'get to'.
nubbins`: besides, i've sworn off roommates.
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: the very poverty consists in the sort of things i do to ~not~ live 'in the projects', with roommates a la nubbins`, or eat recycled food, etc.
asciilifeform: i don't take it with them.
asciilifeform: how the hell would i know what dope my neighbours take ?
nubbins`: alf, i don't think you quite understand how few shittier countries exist than the one you're in
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-03-2016#1423702 << i'm not interested in becoming an even poorer and lower peon in a shittier country. it's living-off-capital or death plox. ☝︎