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phf: if you're buying your schemes from supermarket, sure, but my point is that technique is available as part of the dictionary. can do a hybrid from there, i.e. compiled subtrate
asciilifeform: which makes it definitely more of a 'el cheapo undergrad lisp' than a scheme.
phf: why perverse? it's pretty standard for scheme to be compiled to C, it's a classical cps technique, sort of a couple of next chapters away from how tinyscheme is a classical interpreter
asciilifeform: and it is not really a scheme any more.
mod6: i've only used one clojure application and it was a very haphazardly implemented docker-like thingy.
asciilifeform: mod6: modern common lisps typically include a compiler.
mod6: ugh. so wait, instead of a general lisp interpeter its compiled into jvm byte code? what abortion is this?
asciilifeform: this gave it a 'functional!111' and exotic flair and attracted hipster types
asciilifeform: mod6: similar to the old 'armed bear common lisp', except that it was written by a 'clever tricks' crackpot who added in ten truckloads of homegrown ustard idiocy
mod6: what is the black magic behind the scenes? is it not based upon a lambda calc?
asciilifeform: mod6: some years ago, i attended a few meetings of a local clojurist society. ended up barfing and writing article, http://www.loper-os.org/?p=42 (and sequel, http://www.loper-os.org/?p=374 ) that ~still~ get flamez, and - until recently - were among the top google results for subj...
ben_vulpes: going up to clojure/west to acquire a few more problems
mod6: im tinkering around with lexical parsing with scheme for a sec here.
asciilifeform: i don't give half a shit re what sewer rats do, for so long as it isn't done in my house or where i have to see it.
deedbot: $b 5 is not a command.
gernika: If asciilifeform ever accidentally ends up at the same hotel as a rails convention, I expect to see a lot of shattered teeth on the floor.
BingoBoingo: myspace was a knockoff http://fuckyeahstlpunk.tumblr.com/
jurov: "In my experience, software bloat almost always comes from smart, often the smartest, devs who are technically the most competent. Couple their abilities with a few narrowly interpreted constraints, a well-intentioned effort to save the day.."
phf: haskell's answer was to pretend like von neumann machine doesn't exist, a goal at which it failed in various interesting ways
BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-06#1446968 << Aha, like someone giving you a wedie while you wear buttplug attached pants ☝︎
mircea_popescu: will be more of a "inquiring" piece than anything,
mircea_popescu: ima write a trilema piece about this today.
trinque: davout: no way in hell I'd run such a thing without it involving the airgap dance.
davout: trinque: a hot wallet is absolute heresy
trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-06#1447290 << the thing can work without a hot wallet at all, provided there's a reasonable duration to accomodate cashing out. ☝︎
mats: i initially started with ~15btc in my coinbr piggy a little more than two years ago, deposited another 15 a year later. today, i'm walking away with 60btc in profit and a 30btc stake in s.nsa
mircea_popescu: i don't see hospitals using bags of "saline" that come with a "warning : not suitable for use" on them.
mircea_popescu: the thing clearly says "no guarantee not even for fitness to a particular purpose". if you use such items in your "safety engineering" you're liable.
asciilifeform: or functional requirements, poor design, or programming mistakes. The root cause of the hazards will be exposure of implementation-defined behaviors in a programming language. Who will the lawyers sue over the consequences of those hazards?'
deedbot hands you a broomstick.
asciilifeform: the new hardware will be received as a complete surprise by most users of the upgraded system and by their management. The surprise may be accompanied by hazardous events because of incorrect control of a safety critical system. People may be injured or die, the environment may be seriously damaged, and very expensive systems may be damaged or destroyed. The root cause of the hazards will not be po
asciilifeform: 'As a software safety engineer I find the implementation-defined aspects of C++ bit-fields to be very unsettling. A project may verify that its C++ bit-fields work as intended on a particular architecture, but when a technology refresh is performed in several years, there is no assurance that the C++ program will continue to work properly on the new hardware. The failure of the C++ program to run on
mircea_popescu: a ok.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: you mean so that trinque has to build a castle around the server ? ☟︎
davout: hehe, precisely a soft-fork indeed
asciilifeform: but why the fuck would you put a wallet in deedbot?!
mircea_popescu: davout it's certainly a softfork :)
mircea_popescu: that'll be a sight.
davout: re a better specified auction deadline, i think it's best to precise it to "the end of wednesday the 6th of april, in whatever timezone this event happens last"
mircea_popescu: someone pretending to do dev work and not being in wot is ipso facto saying "i am a fraudster trying to sell my shit as software".
davout: like a changetip inside deedbot?
davout: deedbot acting like a wallet
phf: auction seems like a slow day feature for deedbot
mircea_popescu: we had this convo a few weeks ago.
davout: apperently, according to condesk it got shut down after a 15 btc theft
davout: asciilifeform: there was, a long time ago
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu et al: was there ever a btctronic auction site ?
mircea_popescu: you're like totally a noob receiver and everything.
davout: ;;later tell pete_dushenski you have a point, i did not specify a timezone for "the end of wednesday the 6th of april"
mircea_popescu: but the way mpoe happened was that basically i threw up the idea in chan and a bunch of the people then-active commented and so on.
mircea_popescu: davout yeah, was a guy active in 2011/2012 that then disappeared.
mircea_popescu: for most of the land barely even had a census mechanism.
mircea_popescu: i dunno. who in 1900 had a large bureaucracy ? the chinese, and they got raped.
mircea_popescu: gotta appreciate - the us started exactly as a sort of tmsr of rich smugglers in an england province. conceptually it still sees broadly as this "gentleman's agreement" things etc.
danielpbarron: i wouldn't mind cutting them a check so much if they came and asked for it; I can't stand this whole "you do our work for us" ritual americans do every april
mircea_popescu: course, i suppose a wife could be found for the govt to cut the deal with.
mircea_popescu: of course unlike that guy you don't have either millions in assets nor a wife more than happy to get it all in exchange for paying tax on it
mircea_popescu: ironically i linked a piece about some other famous tax quarrel guy, who said the same thing (from jail)
mircea_popescu: a, you got the macedon reference ? good for you!
mircea_popescu: actual young man goes into unrepayable debt, spends altogether maybe a year or so on the thing ?
mircea_popescu: mmmno. you're thinking of a young man that doesn't exist.
mircea_popescu: we know for a fact it's no crime to be poor, and what follows is that the law doesn't apply to you, just be poor.
mircea_popescu: anyway. the way society works is that it's either a crime to be poor ; or else ity's a crime to be rich. alternatives do not exist, it's a strict switch outside of the capacity of convention, like gravity : either motor force or splat.
mircea_popescu: PeterL he has a peculiar notion of poor as "under the weather / skilled immigrant / etc"
asciilifeform: how is my poverty not a poverty ?
mircea_popescu: why would poor people have a job. that's the parole officer's problem.
davout: PeterL: yes, it's a good point, i'll move my comment and keep an eye open to move those that ended up commenting the wrong post
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: only true in the 'blood from a stone' sense
PeterL: (but I claime a very high number of dependents)
deedbot hands you a broomstick.
mircea_popescu: in particular " Me: He was convicted on fraud charges; not tax avoidance. The prosecution made the case that he knowingly offered false advice in exchange for customer’s money." is a distinction without a difference. writing "extempt" when "you shouldn't have" is exactly what "fraud" means in that context.
PeterL: how to make a million dollars: sell a million things for a dollar or sell one thing for a million dollars
mircea_popescu: considering the alternative is reading the logs, 200mn might not even be a bad deal.
mircea_popescu: i can't see how ? prolly should put a notice to bid in the right place ?
mircea_popescu: that's a good q.
mircea_popescu: irrespective of any a'.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-06#1447053 << you don't go //msg NickServ identify p, you go /msg NickServ identify a p and THEN you go release a and then you go ghost a and then you go nick a and you're done. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: trinque> seems the voice model pairs with gossipd rather well, where voicing is a matter of message forwarding rules << it doesn't even pair, it IS it. substance of the universe, not even protocol.
trinque: if one wanted a #trilema on the thing, that would perhaps be a matter of there being a #trilema node distinguishing official vs heathen chatter by what it bothers to send along to other nodes?
trinque: seems the voice model pairs with gossipd rather well, where voicing is a matter of message forwarding rules
trinque: right, my func is a hook for the welcome message
phf: trinque: nah, your nick will autochange before the nickserv authentication. it's entirely broken, basically if you reg a, and a is already logged in, you get changed to a` and nickserv goes "why you giving me password, a` is not registered" ☟︎
phf: mircea_popescu: yeah, but then you have to write that logic into a bot. i was hoping that using login/password just kicks the previous account off
phf: trinque: nope, there's no free lunch. irc force changes the nick, before there's a chance to ghost
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so how is this wonder of a mod defined so it works on vectors ?
mircea_popescu: sounds a lot like v!
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ada is a merciless thing. e.g., you cannot use two types interchangeably even if 'they're the same inside'; can only take pointers of items explicitly declared pointerable-to; by default, pointers only valid in the context where they were taken
mircea_popescu: so you're saying i'm a sinful asm/cobol/c-head ?
asciilifeform: ada is a civilized lang like commonlisp and there is NOT a presumption that integers are machine words !
trinque: where I (think I'm) headed is the bot being a separate module. code using the bot would pass the appropriate generic function to call for commands into make-bot
trinque: maybe we can collaborate on getting a bot that, y'know, stays connected to an IRC channel
mircea_popescu: "and, in addition, a call of a Boolean logical operator and, or, xor, not whose operands are such static predicate expressions, and, a static predicate expression in parentheses." << right there. a xor maxint-1 > 0
mircea_popescu: "So we see that the predicate in the subtype Even cannot be a static predicate because the operator mod is not permitted with the current instance. But mod could be used in an inner static expression."
mircea_popescu: -a+bi / a + bi also!
mircea_popescu: o check it out , also had a bot.
mircea_popescu: wasn't by any means a practical consideration. more of a "thinking about the compiler of the wetware future"
asciilifeform: ergo a standard is meaningless unless it contains it.
mircea_popescu: i can't write sentences with a count at the end saying how many times you have to read them until you get them.
mircea_popescu: a more general and unrelated problem : why should the specific number of compiler passes be set down in the standard ?
mircea_popescu: seems altogether easier for you to not shit where you stand than for us to create a new reality.