asciilifeform: with possible exception that one 'had to be a cow' and other 'could have not been a cow', to borrow from mircea_popescu's piece
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: from my perch, i see ~0 meaningful diff b/w icandy and adlai.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: sounds like minor variation of historic euro norm of ' i live with my pigs '
asciilifeform: what if we learn that 'she' is a d00d ? in israel no less ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: while we're on subj of 'gets in the way but not enemy' -- how come 'adlai attacked republic by dropping snr' but not indiancandy ? is it because the latter lays claim to tits ?
asciilifeform: so how does the example work, plox to elaborate
asciilifeform: did i miss a log day.. whom did indiancandy scam
asciilifeform: scammer does 'service' like earthquake does service.
asciilifeform: just like city wall keeps out the bear.
asciilifeform: as i see it, a large part of 'why wot' is to deliberately interfere with the 'circle of life' , to deny the scammer his easy prey.
asciilifeform: but if we're going with 'answer lies in the sewers', then are scammers not 'part of circle of life' and 'janitors of the forest', mopping up the weak ?
asciilifeform: robs-all-comers is vermin, as desirable as ebola virus.
asciilifeform: pestilential, unpunished 'gypo' activity is how you end up with popular tyrants to begin with.
asciilifeform: but would tolerate 'gypos' in marketplace under his control ?
asciilifeform: so mircea_popescu is perfectly happy to punish those who would personally defraud ~him~
asciilifeform: this is kindergarten material, i thought.
asciilifeform: 'tis part of how you avoid being target. 'para bellum' etc.
asciilifeform: the only reasonable answer to targeted, planned, premeditated theft, is to disproportionalely punish the rogue. (as per mircea_popescu's disproportionate-punishment article)
asciilifeform: to borrow the 'bullet vs shrapnel' old saw
asciilifeform: there's 'thief addressed to-occupant' and 'thief with your name on it'
asciilifeform: if you don't pest-control, pests will control you.
asciilifeform: whom he shoots first? thief, or guard ?
asciilifeform: he will shoot? or will say 'ooops, i blame myself, should have guarded better.'
asciilifeform: suppose mircea_popescu catches a hood rat red-handed running off with spare dirible engine from his warehouse.
asciilifeform: if i gotta bite ~every motherfucking gold coin~ , that is time that i am not doing whatever-else.
asciilifeform: pouring molten lead into mouth, optionally, also.
asciilifeform: in righteous olden times there'd be a hanging.
asciilifeform: without honest weights and measures, there is no market, there is (in words of spiffy mircea_popescu article!) 'put maybe-potato in this bag, get a bag of maybe-coins'
asciilifeform: and betcha they still prosecute folx who diddle scales when selling goods by the kg, or alter petrol pump, etc
asciilifeform: the catch is that the miscreant and the punished are often disjoint.
asciilifeform: and dishonesty -- is always paid for, in the end.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: my criticism was specifically that structuring them ~unopposably~ is an act of dishonesty.
asciilifeform: notice, almost everyone is ultimately occupied with 'husbandry of cows'
asciilifeform: it is partly the long-term 'ecological' perspective on this practice, that bothers me; but also that pretending to be multiple people, while being one, is a fundamentally dishonest and truth-hiding act.☟︎
asciilifeform: incidentally i am not seeing much uptake for the 'walking the walk' of mircea_popescu's position, so far. afaik asciilifeform is the only one currently struggling with ada, for instance.
asciilifeform: to code -- yes. but original thread concerned agricultural husbandry of old code, from heathendom.
asciilifeform: technological 'tower of babel' is built of many materials. has granite core, yes
asciilifeform: there is not yet afaik a fad of removing noses, ears, either.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i suppose it is because preteens etc. still have eyelashes
asciilifeform: except that it'll be no gain at all if as a result the expected material for ALL construction is granite.
asciilifeform: in principle, strong d00d-with-shovel is exactly same as bulldozer. but in practice he is not, and bulldozer changed the type of construction that can be reasonably contemplated.
asciilifeform: and personality fragmentation is Bad For You, perhaps more so than smoking.
asciilifeform: to briefly revisit upstack, afaik the only people alive today with serious skill in managing a large cloud of sub-identities, are scammers. and that this is unlikely to change.
asciilifeform: iirc there was some petroburger chain where they ~were~
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: afaik it is part of the strange 'let poor schmucks Feel Like They Have Servant for 5min' thing americans have going
asciilifeform: (in usa at least they for some unknown reason have name tags attached)
asciilifeform: Framedragger: use example of 'women you bought coffee from' if better fits.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: argument, seems to me, is that 'keeping track of subpersonalities is free, because mircea_popescu never had problem with it, on account of not ever having to actually do much of it'
asciilifeform: this is exactly the 'we don't need versionatron!' thread but with asciilifeform's and mircea_popescu's speaking parts reversed.
asciilifeform: because if we have login for n00bz at all, that is a mental cheque that gets written and ends up cashed.
asciilifeform: and not only scammers. for all of the annoying habits of, e.g., adlai, i'd still much rather have 1 adlai than to have to perform the calculation of 'is this an adlai-tulpa' every time a new name appears.
asciilifeform: lemme approach from slightly different angle. one of the reasons why wot works as well as it does, is a certain human weakness of malefactors, where they habitually stick to one or a very few persona, and make admissions-against-interest.
asciilifeform: it worked in the pre-mobilepnoje era.
asciilifeform: this is one of those things that looks feasible because the contemplated case is 'the same people i work with now, but in different costumes', rather than 'cacophony 50 yrs from now'
asciilifeform: and with respect to this, none of us have the meatware to navigate a hypothetical #trilema where 1,000,001 tulpatrons are speaking, instead of 6 d00dz
asciilifeform: v, for instance, is a classica intelligence amplifier. (if mircea_popescu recalls, asciilifeform resisted actually ~writing~ it, and said, approx., 'a reasonable person ought to be able to Do All Of This In His Head')
