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asciilifeform: (obummer's executive decrees -- a-ok; herr tritler's reversal thereof -- OHNOEZ)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: from same circus, u.s. senate is proposing to ban mr.t from revering obummer's 'ru sanctions and They Stole Election' decrees ☟︎
asciilifeform: hey ben_vulpes .
asciilifeform: now, these were manufactured in the hundreds, rather than the thousands, so not mega-surprise.
asciilifeform: (since began to look)
asciilifeform: in 10+ yrs.
asciilifeform: (i have not succeeded in locating a working example of xerox-interlisp lm, for sale at any price by anyone)
asciilifeform: or xerox dorado.
asciilifeform: which is more than can be said for, e.g., 'scheme79' machine.
asciilifeform: well we saved a few.
asciilifeform: hammer, microscope.
asciilifeform: the rembrandts were burned in a stove. etc.
asciilifeform: aha. but in that case, no comp trader showed up, only metal recyclers.
asciilifeform: down side is -- gotta power off ~yearly, to clean.
asciilifeform: in a house one uses fans sitting on sorbothane grommets, etc.
asciilifeform: i would not live with it in a house.
asciilifeform: but that box is as loud as a shop vac.
asciilifeform: in $otherlocation i have a box with removable, pluggable fans on rails , where you can pull it straight out and immediately drop in clean one
asciilifeform: these are $100+ liquid bearing fans.
asciilifeform: and because over-speed fan (as in , with air applied) burns the bearing in <5sec ?
asciilifeform: because cpu melts in 10sec if you pull off the fan ?
asciilifeform: how else.
asciilifeform: everyone cleans fans with air hose
asciilifeform: and so -- this.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: strictly speaking did not have to. but also decided to clean fans.
asciilifeform: powered down to clean air filters and never came back up.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ftr mine died from cycling.
asciilifeform: *freescale
asciilifeform: empty shelves. (unless you count freescape corp.'s ridiculous 50bux/chip clone.)
asciilifeform: who recalls when asciilifeform tried to source the once-UBIQUITOUS motorola 68k cpu ?
asciilifeform: it is simply one manifestation of the 'markets are not magical' thing.
asciilifeform: (at one point amex co. flooded the market with surplus, and they were 'cheap enough to throw out', and then suddenly worth weight in gold)
asciilifeform: plenty-plenty-plenty-suddenlynone.
asciilifeform: but i ~can~ say confidently that symbolics lispms followed this curve.
asciilifeform: i do not know if this pattern is typical of exhausted nonrenewable resources, or if there even exists sufficient historic record to analyze
asciilifeform: to briefly return to http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-26#1607573 , as i was painfully rubbed into it yesterday, in own iron: the hardware follows a 'passenger pigeon' dynamic: 'today, plenty' -- 'tomorrow, plenty' ... ... 'suddenly, none' ☝︎
asciilifeform: but this is for another thread.
asciilifeform: in turn it is also why i have an interest in a hypothetical nonbignumtronic (i.e. lamportronic) 'trb-i'.
asciilifeform: (sram can even be replaced with magnetic core, which in turn can be made by gurls with sewing needles, if it must. the mig-29 flies on magnetic core. and will fly in 2050, probably also on it.)
asciilifeform: these are 'kalash', they can be brought up with some patch wire, in a pinch, not even needing pcb, and exist in ~limitless junkyard supply, as does their ram and glue logic; and can be manufactured with sov-era fab tech, in turn can be re-created for less than what a dozen garbage trucks cost.
asciilifeform: it is part of why i have continued and daily interest in z80, 6502, and other 'museum pieces'
asciilifeform: (and, secondarily, that said cycles execute on honest iron and not usg-crapple et al.)
asciilifeform: fact is, in the not too distant future, even the very powerful folx will have many fewer cpu cycles to play with than common lamer has today. to the extent this is any concern of mine, i would like to design in such a way that the applications that actually matter, e.g., wotronics, have the necessary cycles.
asciilifeform: but it is not typical.
asciilifeform: there is also, somewhere in u.s. air force, a pdp-8 up continuously since 1978.
asciilifeform: but they are few.
asciilifeform: i won't dispute that these exist.
asciilifeform: going 24/7/365 at 100% cpu ?
asciilifeform: but nfi if there will be result.
asciilifeform: i will attempt capacitor replacement, after the new board is up
asciilifeform: a top-notch (i.e. 1000+ usd in early 2000s) mobo lasts about 10y. i determined, experimentally.
asciilifeform: soon to be ==none.
asciilifeform: ~none to be had for any price.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i was just the other day sweating, to source a multi-cpu+ecc opteron board with >1 16-lane pcie.
asciilifeform: if you add'em all up, you get a massive wad of shit.
asciilifeform: in practice is is a problem. because ~everybody has ~own set of ancient iron.
asciilifeform: think about it.
asciilifeform: forwards-no
asciilifeform: backwards-yes
asciilifeform: regardless of how it is done. x86 is a corrosive evil.
asciilifeform: fact is, 'frozen kernel' is ~guaranteed-unbootable on iron from 3-4 yrs from date of freeze.
asciilifeform: the question of 'which 3.x' is intimately tied to the hardware gnarl
asciilifeform: which is largely a wad of elisp
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the common trunk ~is emacs per se~
asciilifeform: i will sooner put on another d00d's eyeglasses than use a stock emacs.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it isn't negotiable.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: much of what emacs users use for scripts is custom, personal.
asciilifeform: (sbcl ?)
asciilifeform: i suppose i missed a cltron
asciilifeform: it lives in gcc
asciilifeform: i miss any ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 3.x linux kernel; gcc 4.9; musltronic toolchain; emacs 24; trb; v; gpg 1.4+rngpatch+timingleakpatch .
asciilifeform: but it is another matter to actually walk the logs, and do the heavy lifting.
asciilifeform: at this point we know, i suspect, all of it.
asciilifeform: which relies on gcc backend.
asciilifeform: gcc has no future, but unfortunately there is not an alternative to gnat.
asciilifeform: had excellend debugger also.
asciilifeform: a mainstay of msdos game industry of '90s.
asciilifeform: it is in many ways cleaner than gcc.
asciilifeform fond of watcom
asciilifeform: but yes.
asciilifeform: there is also watcom
asciilifeform: this is sorta why i wanted to put out trb, frozen gcc, linux, etc. on a ~pressed aluminum~ cd
asciilifeform: (note that no other property, other than 'pre-exists valuable-bitcoin', is thereby demonstratable)
asciilifeform: if your vtree traces pedigree to one of THESE as genesis, i or anyone else possessing such a disk, can be satisfied that it is not a modern wholesale forgery
asciilifeform: incidentally there is such a thing as a 'stone witness', if you will. e.g., i have tarballs from 1990s on cdrom.
asciilifeform: but yes, the fact that asciilifeform made genesis using the recipe he gave, from vintage bitcoind, rather than pulled from own arse, is not a mechanically provable fact without witnesses.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-26#1607501 << argument was not about 'i want promisetronics but without having to get assent' but 'want less promisetronics , period' ☝︎
asciilifeform: (witness how we met , e.g., trinque )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: afaik this already ~happens
asciilifeform: there is 1 cure.
asciilifeform: diseased beast walks around, shitting where it stands, braying
asciilifeform: it is not , at this point, even 'psychiatric' problem -- but ~veterinary~
asciilifeform: 'yer brain on dope', or who knows.
asciilifeform: could-have-not-been-cow
asciilifeform: and yes, d00d made it quite easy, by contributing 0
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-26#1607473 << i can see very clearly this angle, but it is only an angle that you can see ~after~ you set the Bozo Bit on somebody ☝︎
asciilifeform: it doesn't do anything through a terminal that 'eliza' could not do.
asciilifeform: trinque: i think i see your angle tho. however it dun do much outside of meatspace, imho 'radiating female' only works in meatspace.
asciilifeform: and yes incl. the kind where chick 'really wants to visit your office after hours and Learn How Robot Is Programmed' etc