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nubbins`: the guy said that if i made mp angry, mp would dig in his heels and not change mind no matter what.
mircea_popescu: so i've been looking for some sort of color revolution pronz to go with this derpy maidan thing, and the best i could find is i guess http://40.media.tumblr.com/9e888de5dbac8d7017d4e4af24cf0fe9/tumblr_meti8qPtdL1qlne6uo1_1280.jpg
nubbins`: i am guessing that kako is furiously fighting this fire behind the scenes
nubbins`: asciilifeform your assumption is incorrect, i am painting no such picture
asciilifeform: i do not think kakobrekla would agree.
nubbins`: "i was not even aware of any of it" vs 3.2 (d)'s text: "All decisions with regards to any aspect of BitBet ... will require unanimous agreement of all the representatives of BitBet."
assbot: Logged on 07-03-2016 16:31:53; kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-03-2016#1424891 < this is not so. it was not bitbet experience (for example i was not even aware of any of it) and publishing your interpretation on qntra does not assert absolute truth, it just tells everyone who reads it what you think.
asciilifeform: i can see this with naked eye, sure.
nubbins`: sure. in the meantime, i'll point out that he's had ample opportunity to sign the financials
nubbins`: asciilifeform yes, i expect.
asciilifeform: nubbins`: if kako disagrees with mp, i expect that he will put this in writing and sign ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i don't see how it's not fully torn, but hey, maybe just me.
nubbins`: but because i went on the offensive, mircea_popescu simply cannot back down.
nubbins`: the funny thing about all of this is that if i'd approached the sitation with humbleness and humility, the report would already be changed
mircea_popescu: but now i have the ~option~ to do this. back then, i didn't.
mircea_popescu: i would not consider unqualified people.
mircea_popescu: because apparently i don't know how the world works, and haven't properly groked the memo about how "reality is enacted by convention" or somesuch.
mircea_popescu: at that point, i was trying to get a court system off the ground, similarly with random people as judges.
nubbins`: i have no idea why some of you cannot see this place as nothing more than a "cool kids club"
asciilifeform: nubbins`: as you know, i very frequently disagree with him. you could prolly make a whole book of these.
asciilifeform: i think i have an accurate model tho. (which is 'bbet is mircea_popescu's toy, he can take ball and go home if he wants')
mircea_popescu: which is fine - but i also don't and won't entertain any of it.
danielpbarron: PeterL, this is like the "I would gladly pay higher taxes" argument. So go, pay. Make a gracious donation.
jurov: lel can i imagine how would hanbot go if nefario, inaba or anyone billed such "expenses" to their shareholders
nubbins`: PeterL that's your perogative. i would keep them.
PeterL: as a lucky bettor, I would be willing to refund the extra winnings, minus a "processing fee"
nubbins`: PeterL i would, yes. mp would not expect the lucky bettors to refund him.
PeterL: <nubbins`> if i send the light company $100 cash in the mail because i think my employer is behind on their bills, but it turns out they weren't and everything was just fine, i wouldn't expect my employer to give my $100 back. << you would expect the power company to refund you
PeterL: I would say getting the bets paid is not worth 17 btc
asciilifeform: i think nubbins` was arguing that sending tx b. was sinful.
danielpbarron: i thought this was a principled stand. Now it's just that 17 was too much to pay?
nubbins`: i'm curious what would be the argument if mp had a vagina
nubbins`: if i send the light company $100 cash in the mail because i think my employer is behind on their bills, but it turns out they weren't and everything was just fine, i wouldn't expect my employer to give my $100 back.
danielpbarron: i'm curious what would be the argument today if there had never been a transaction B, and transactions A1-An were still nowhere to be found..
trinque: "I unilaterally decided to loan the company X amount emergency funds to keep the lights on." << this is not unheard of, if the officer who made the decision had the power to do so
danielpbarron: i don't agree with the stupid mistake hypothesis either
PeterL: for the record, I view it as a stupid mistake on mp's part, not fraud, so I am fine with having sold my shares I will just let things be
ben_vulpes: i know i know.
ben_vulpes: nubbins`: well i do but that's a special case.
danielpbarron: PeterL, i've never run a business, i don't know if those things are needed or what
danielpbarron: when that bbet february statement came out, i read it and breathed a sigh of relief, not knowing how controversial it apparently was
jurov: ben_vulpes: mpex withdrawals don't come into picture, my withdrawals would, if i sent them zerofee
danielpbarron: i said i was ok with what he ended up doing, ~before~ he did it
danielpbarron: i don't agree there was any fraud
danielpbarron: jurov, i don't see the relation. shareholders of bbet never had an expection to control what happens with bbet funds
trinque: I haven't negrated anyone for being loud!
jurov: trinque so, i'll throw your funds at coinbr by sending around zerofee tx, malformed mpex requests, etc. you'll only negrate me and do nothing else?
jurov: asciilifeform: so if i have an opinion about a fraud that does not directyl concern mne, i should stay silent? cuz this is not a democracy?
nubbins`: what i do give a shit about is people owning up to their mistakes
nubbins`: trinque i'd like to think i've provided facts in an offensive manner
asciilifeform: this stock, that i never had.
asciilifeform: i could... sell it.
asciilifeform: and if i did, the stock doesn't even vote.
asciilifeform: i don't even own bbet stock
asciilifeform: what am i to ~do~ ?
asciilifeform: let's imagine i agreed with nubbins` now.
nubbins`: asciilifeform got a link? i don't think he's said anything to me lately
asciilifeform: i could see a ' bbet shareholders believe that bbet is mismanaged ' angle, but ~it is THEIR business~ and not mine, and their one option is to get off the bus, as per the articles.
nubbins`: shame, but apparently i cannot change your mind with facts
asciilifeform: so i do not see the ' mircea_popescu is cheating people ' angle.
nubbins`: i still believe it was so, in the absence of conflicting evidence
asciilifeform: this is the part where i part from nubbins`'s interp.
asciilifeform: nubbins`: i do not agree that the 17 was 'personal expense.'
danielpbarron: there was a little bit of selling, i was on the recieving end of it
asciilifeform: incidentally, i am not seeing a bbet shareholder stampede
nubbins`: asciilifeform i'm not sad today!
asciilifeform: but i don't recall nubbins` being sad since day1
asciilifeform: presently i think it was about how bbet is run.
asciilifeform: because i don't remember seeing his sig on it
nubbins`: <+asciilifeform>nubbins`: it is difficult to have a useful discussion in the midst of 'your mother eats electric eeels. -- no YOUR mother. .. etc' << agreed, which is why i found hanbot's vulgarity very disheartening; she only jumped into the conversation to insult and vexate. mp's bringing my wife into it was a ludicrous response to me accusing him of fraud. my wife's not in the picture.
danielpbarron: what's next I'm gonna cite private conversations with God?
PeterL: so, as I have been watching my trb node sync the past three months (am I the only person who thinks this takes way too long?) it seems like it spends alot of time trying to connect to nodes and timing out?
asciilifeform: which was, approx., 'i drive the tank and if you don't like how, find another'
nubbins`: here's the straight dope. we all knew from the start that mp doesn't care when he's wrong, he just bulldozes. countless examples exist, i don't care to find them for you. kako agrees that the expense is fraudulent, jurov agrees, many others agree; the only ones who don't agree are you, who seem quite willing to let kako take the hit in order to maintain peace, and hanbot, who obviously doesn't count as an opinion
asciilifeform: but i also think that mircea_popescu explained his pov pretty well.
danielpbarron: i ran into this problem in 2012 when i wanted to vote for Ron Paul
nubbins`: asciilifeform consider the case that i may consider my cat a steed. if i mount it, what happens?
asciilifeform: and wtf, i oppose throwing folks who are still in the battlefield, out of the lordship, srsly
PeterL: today is presidential primary here in mich, I havn't decided how to vote, half tempted to write in Rand Paul as a protest against all the idiots still running
asciilifeform: the ~only thing i know about mpb is that 1) it is roughly compatible with 0.6 and 2) he fixed the db locks bug years ago, and shared with me the patch, a while back, and it is in trb
PeterL: I guess it got missed in all the shouting
nubbins`: asciilifeform you read the logs as well as i. all are aware that the accusation remains unanswered
nubbins`: an obsession this is not. you asked, i answered
asciilifeform: am i the last one who isn't obsessed with hunting for folks to throw out of the lordship thing >?
asciilifeform: so i am powerless to help.
asciilifeform: nubbins`: iirc the present tense is mostly re: eulora, about which i know ~0.
nubbins`: asciilifeform tell me something in the present tense and i'll maybe be interested
asciilifeform: anyway i do not know hanbot very well, cannot speak for hanbot. ☟︎
nubbins`: asciilifeform fwiw i value ability and actions, and little else
asciilifeform: trinque: i was explaining to nubbins` et al that hanbot, whom he dislikes, is actually more of a proper 'asseteer' than i, whom he seems to respect.
trinque: I respectfully tip my hat to the burden of having seen far further than one can walk (at least yet)
trinque: "oh, I'm only busy reinventing every piece of software and hardware this nascent cryptoculture needs to survive"
asciilifeform: i don't have an mpex account; am powerless to move so much as one share of anything; etc.
asciilifeform: i mean something very specific
PeterL: I think you missvalue yourself on this scale
assbot: Logged on 08-03-2016 16:56:31; nubbins`: then i realized that she doesn't do anything, and thought it odd she's on the lordship list
nubbins`: then i realized that she doesn't do anything, and thought it odd she's on the lordship list ☟︎
asciilifeform: i forgot, what did nubbins` have against hanbot
asciilifeform: i suppose he'd make an ok brezhnev.
asciilifeform: i find the TOTAL absence of documented fpga on the planet , to be interesting.