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asciilifeform: i.e. i can insert >1 on top of one another.
asciilifeform: phf et al: to continue the eprom thread, i was never satisfied with the lights box answer to 'how to keep rom burner from lying'. what i really want is a photographic rom, where the storage die is something like 'microdot' and the reader is generic (in chip package) & separable.
phf: but i rarely see "sophisticated" systems outside of cute hacks like that rs232 visualizer. presumably have to be doing this stuff full time for years, with the explicit goal of solving computing problems using analogue means
asciilifeform: i've thought for many years about such tools. decomputerize, if you will, as much of the critical 'nuke launch' loop as possible.
asciilifeform: i can't be arsed to figure out presently whether this eats start/stop-bits correctly.
phf: that's what i mean
asciilifeform: http://www.elweb.cz/fotky/400.jpg << interesting serendipitous find. a cpu-less rs232 viewer (some brain required!111) i thought about this very thing some years ago, and laughed it off mentally, but someone - built.
mircea_popescu: ah i remember now.
mircea_popescu: "in my mind - i've been many times"
funkenstein_: you seem to like talking about it, i assumed you'd been there
mircea_popescu: i think he dislikes your cultural imperialism.
mircea_popescu: sucks to be them, i guess.
mircea_popescu: i don't get all these people participating in "sealed" pseudo-legal proceedings.
mircea_popescu: oh oh the email thing, i recall now
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no i know, but which was it ?
mircea_popescu: davout i did read it. you had 40 btc deposited iirc, neh ?
mircea_popescu: no but srsly. am i gonna also !s "dump massive" or you get the point.
mircea_popescu: dude it's gotten so bad ~i~ have to ask for tmsr-pravda articles be translated.
mod6: I'd even be open to the idea of two people splitting up the work there. Say, split 2BTC/yr between 2 individuals so that we get good coverage at all times.
mircea_popescu: i dunno, they were all good.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-03-2016#1434782 << l0l i know where ☝︎
mircea_popescu: right before i get to say them!
mod6: shinohai: eh, I'd say more like a really well kept-up wiki, but yea, that's kinda the idea.
mircea_popescu: shinohai no more like keep the notes organised so mod6 doesn't go blind looking for where the fuck i said about knobs and where was it.
davout: i saw this one coming :D
mod6: I'd even say TomServo or thestringpuller would be good candidates as well. Any wot regs.
mod6: ben_vulpes: any thoughts on this? If I dump 10 BTC to the foundation, will you approve 2BTC/yr for a stenographer?
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> so do it on the foudnation and donate the needed funds to it. << i guess i could just do that.
mod6: hell, i'd do it myself, but there's no way i can keep up with that too.
mod6: dare i say, that I would lay out 10 BTC, 2 BTC per year for someone to handle this task.
mod6: yeah, but i can't ever find shit. and these details are too important to be lost.
mircea_popescu: lol. i dunno, there is the search here.
mircea_popescu: but i don't think SUCH hard rape is contemplated at all.
mod6: well, i guess one could just add in the shifting and then make it a toggleable things.
mircea_popescu: knob 1 above decides whether to obsolete current miners entirely or just partially, and is a [true] soft vs hard fork ; knob 2 decides how much i/o pressure to put on relay nodes ; knob 3 decides how much relay work to require in the mix.
mircea_popescu: it does. i specifically left the "hashing" undefined. it can be defined so both use sha3. or first stays as is and 2nd sha3. etc.
mod6: ok and this goes back to the discussion this am right? re: sha(header+nonce) AND sha(digest+nonce) ? or did i read that wrong?
mod6: i like what i've read, more analysis and discussion of implementation decisions are required for sure. i think we'll get there as this thread continues over the next 45 days.
jurov: mod6: Mr P.'s outlined ideas would benefit from deeper adversarial analysis, maybe it comes out it's possible only 1000 times slower using rainbow tables or other techniques I proposed in the comments
mircea_popescu: too bad i constantly strangle the easy fruit pickers. if only they fucking picked in THAT direction ffs.
mircea_popescu: except by features i don't mean "features". obviously.
mircea_popescu: the thing is, the more features the putative fork has, the better, i suppose.
mod6: However, my main objective is still to finish up the v054 release before diving into any of that quite yet. It's my fault, I havent done jack-shit all month basically. I've been meaning to work with trinque and get these makefiles battle-ready, but have had a number of meatspace things get in the way.
mod6: mircea_popescu asciilifeform ben_vulpes trinque phf, et. al., I've been mulling it over while i've been following the logs for some days now about what seems like a good fork to have in our possession: at this point, im inclined to think implementation of Mr. P.'s outlined ideas are the best choice, currently.
mod6: anyway, I see you patch, thanks for posting. when I get around to making another version of V, i'll throw that in there.
mod6: also: /bin/sh: 1: Syntax error: Unterminated quoted string << i think you can resolve this locally by installing gawk
mod6: <+trinque> mod6: what's the proper way to get you changes for v.pl? would be nice when press blows up to be told what vpatch barfed. want to just add that yourself? << hey, uumm... so yeah, i think it does tell you which one barfed on press. did you use (v | verbose) in there? or have a dpaste of what it did?
BingoBoingo: I know places where actual food happens seasonally and mass food is recycled in the fields though the Corn Cycle. I rightly can't believe the Coast or Death phenomenon as anything other than a form of Stockholm syndrome.
BingoBoingo: Seriously though I know nothing of Coastal life in USia
BingoBoingo: I don't know anything of these coasts.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: where do i get the correct lsd to digest that article.
nubbins`: i think this is called "an hero by cop"
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Any idea where the video is? I can't seem to find it on "World Star Hiphop"
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: I also found this on LTM within neural nets: http://colah.github.io/posts/2015-08-Understanding-LSTMs/ << It looks as if LTM is possible but pretty complex (gates within the NN itself)
asciilifeform: i would do 10,001 things if had time but i do not,sadly.
BingoBoingo: Ok, I just suggest it because I know few things as refreshing for the mind as digging into an especially lulzy incident for qntra.
asciilifeform: i have nothing.
assbot: Logged on 16-03-2016 19:04:24; funkenstein_: its a nice idea but already been through the problems i thought
assbot: Logged on 16-03-2016 18:50:31; funkenstein_: i saw something about keccak, afaik maxcoin has the highest hash rate of all keccak coins at the moment
mircea_popescu: i forgot what the chinese thing was called, but anyway.
mircea_popescu: i still don't get this. all this derpage from the early days of systemd "it makes servers boot faster"
asciilifeform: hence why i put it on the dissection table here.
mircea_popescu: i see.
mircea_popescu: "pre fuck" i can imagine what'd be. pre linking... no.
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1183 << i had nfi this existed. a whole own poetteringism, hilarious, touches ~all binaries on affected pseudolinuxen, ruins aslr and number of other things, random (!) crashes, ardent defenders (ahaha), etc.
phf: trinque: i say, press to polarbeard_remove_shrink_debug_file, then patch -p1 < polarbeard_better_log_messages, then vpatch the result, then do same for polarbeard_add_getpeerinfo_rpc. that's sort of easiest, fastest way to regrind
asciilifeform: funkenstein_: i mean, ~other~ than it being a hardphork
funkenstein_: its a nice idea but already been through the problems i thought ☟︎
funkenstein_: copper lark was first i saw to use it
funkenstein_: i saw something about keccak, afaik maxcoin has the highest hash rate of all keccak coins at the moment ☟︎
nubbins`: i was a bit :0 when i did the math
nubbins`: "this is too much, i'm not joking"
asciilifeform: ftr i enjoyed the photos from 'whale & other disorders.'
asciilifeform: but now i am too p00r.
asciilifeform: i actually considered buying some b00kz from nubbins`
nubbins`: i'd considered sending you a mystery prize but figured that'd be a bit too fast & loose
asciilifeform: nubbins`: soon as i get home.
asciilifeform: nubbins`: i will ! ty
nubbins`: also, shipping dept managed to get crate delivered for half of what i quoted you, so plz PM signed refund address at your convenience
nubbins`: <+asciilifeform>was this dear old nubs? << nope, i have more pressing concerns than anonymously trolling bitbet comments
asciilifeform: i'm kinda surprised the whiners aren't here yet
mircea_popescu: i think some but not most are venomous enough.
mircea_popescu: rarely was i so happy to hear of a monk's demise.
mircea_popescu: trinque possibly the least offensive koan of the lot is the one with "why did i rescue the scorpion ? it is my nature!"
mircea_popescu: i dunno.
trinque: right, I know
mircea_popescu: yes, i can also these other things.
mircea_popescu: because i can.
mircea_popescu: ethics (ie, the mechanism to answer "what should i do") is a very severely limited science.
mircea_popescu: these are as far as i've seen the two mindbugs of the republic : a) A -> B therefore B-> A, ie backflow ; and b) the above.
asciilifeform: well, to re-connect the frags, i take issue with everett's device as problem solving tool, because if you admit it, none of the other things we do make any sense
asciilifeform: i am reminded of dan mocsny's 'whichever one of us leaves usenet first is the Real Man' mega-flame
mircea_popescu: anyway, i wonder why asciilifeform is so convinced that one may only see the truth of things that don't affect them personally.
mircea_popescu: "i thought it was something with electrictiy!!1"
mircea_popescu: so we go to cross some tracks and i say "careful not to touch the shiny parts!" and she carefully steps to not touch the shiny parts.
mircea_popescu: did i ever recall the story of the slavegirl that had never seen railroad tracks ?
asciilifeform: i can see it already: harem gurl: 'i stepped on rusty nail!' mircea_popescu: 'here's an impregnation, perhaps after 20 generations your descendants will have shell armour on their feet'
asciilifeform: largely since i never get the sense he is discussing a place where he ~lives~
mircea_popescu: must not be the same animal, sea cucumber i think of is an echinoderm.
asciilifeform: pretty much what i said, no ?