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mircea_popescu: davout> https://bitbet.us/bet/1249/alphago-will-defeat-lee-sedol-overall-in-march/#c5888 <<< guy has a point << lemme tell you a story. when i was a kid, i don't recall exactly, 5, 6, something, my mother was very sad over i have no idea what - being as i was too young to comprehend the emotions and problems of adults. but to cheer her up i decided to make her a dress! to which purpose i proceeded to cut off the shiny
solrodar: but I know some people say this doesn't apply to bitcoin
danielpbarron: I was not the recipient of the double funds, but if I had been I would surely keep it
solrodar: seriously, I think you should return it whether you believe in the bible or not
solrodar: I would call it Christian :P
PeterL: I would call it charitable to return the money
solrodar: should I send it back, minus a small fee for my inconvenience?
solrodar: I'm sure I could find some law about unjust enrichment in the bible if I looked hard enough
solrodar: I was wondering the same thing
danielpbarron: 1 Kings 3:16 Now two women who were harlots came to the king, and stood before him. 17 And one woman said, "O my lord, this woman and I dwell in the same house; and I gave birth while she was in the house. 18 Then it happened, the third day after I had given birth, that this woman also gave birth. And we were together; no one was with us in the house, except the two of us in the house. 19 And this woman's son died in the nig
solrodar: I doubt you'd believe that if you had lost a large sum of money by sending it to the wrong person by mistake
nubbins`: solrodar i don't think any such moral obligation exists.
nubbins`: or have i misread
danielpbarron: heh i'd prolly have bet on yes lol
asciilifeform: actually i have nfi, did bbet use a published addr for pays?
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-03-2016#1438373 << fuck shitlangs and fuck i-could-have-made-anything-but-i-made-another-unix . with a red hot poker. ☝︎
davout: oic what you mean, i misunderstood
BingoBoingo: Aha, I knew it would happen, but I didn't know it would happen this early. The reciever is now burdened with CHOICE. ☟︎
danielpbarron: i get it, but if 1foo had never used that address for payout again, you'd never know which address to withhold from
davout: I'm going to check that everything that was paid against currently unpaid/unresolved/open bets matches the cash mp sent me, and if so there won't really be a point in checking that
punkman: pretty sure it did, or maybe I'm remembering double-dividends
BingoBoingo: https://i.sli.mg/UYEj0B.png
asciilifeform: i'm actually mildly surprised that mircea_popescu doesn't have a 3d printer somewhere
diametric: thats actually not the one i got, hangon.
diametric: asciilifeform: its funny you bring up 3d printing, i just returned from the midwest reprap festival
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i think modern baseline is close to 'printer in 1930'
diametric: mircea_popescu: i'll let you know if i develop popcorn lung
diametric: i lurk
diametric: about the same as walking around a major city i imagine.
diametric: asciilifeform: most people use pla. it's a lot easier to deal with. abs requires higher temps and a heated bed. but recently there are a lot of people printing with petg, and various composites. i just saw some "ironfill", a blend of iron powder and pla.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: they installed one at $rupturefarm a few days ago, i still can't quite figure out why, thing is huge
mrottenkolber: asciilifeform: I hash of some metadata and a hash of tons of hashes of tns of hashes lol
mircea_popescu: i dunno why i thought it's mostly pvc. seems not.
mrottenkolber: and it was kind of obvious that it signs the commit object, I mean what else?
asciilifeform: that is what i am speaking of, when i say 'understand'
mrottenkolber: I can recommend “Git from the bottom up”, git at its core is actually quite... minimalistic.
asciilifeform: more broadly, i have nfi what goes inside a '.git' directory, and the effort required to understand it is substantial
mod6: well, i guess i can appreciate that. i was simply going to write a V in Ada as a way to learn Ada.
assbot: Logged on 23-03-2016 00:23:16; gernika: I have a friend who may have found a valid use for 3d printers: he's built 4 of them in his garage and uses them to prototype electronic toy parts.
mrottenkolber: So I learned today that git does't use sha1 as I thought, but its own git-hash-object
ben_vulpes: in other news, i finally put a tv in the conference room and it is now apparently the dedicated "5 hours of rocket explosions on a loop" device
gernika: I have a friend who may have found a valid use for 3d printers: he's built 4 of them in his garage and uses them to prototype electronic toy parts. ☟︎
phf: there's commit.gpgsign, but i don't see anything for --verify-signatures
mrottenkolber: Which I guess would be the parallel to press
mrottenkolber: I found https://git-scm.com/book/en/v2/Git-Tools-Signing-Your-Work by the way
mrottenkolber: I preset... git-vdiff.sh (ducks): https://gist.github.com/eugeneia/7d34c270f8d1603c48f0
mircea_popescu: "bitcoin in terms of gavin and maku kalaposu", a pretty good satirical premise, i grant.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-03-2016#1437833 << i just read that and lolled. seriously, piece pretending nsa-gavin is somehow involved in or related to bitcoin ? leading with a quote from karpeles ? is this yves eudes hardcore trolling the collection of wanna-be derps that read le monde or what ? ☝︎
gernika: apropos of nothing, I just attempted to download a .pdf formatted datasheet and received a PDF FORMATTED error message.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: valuable/unique items from ~humans~, i like to sit at the post
nubbins`: so i built a "hackintosh" computer, just realized i hadn't bothered to put the video card into the thing
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-03-2016#1437915 << possibly, i have not yet picked it up ☝︎
mircea_popescu: to stop crediting it altogether, i mean.
asciilifeform: well, he ampered it, at least, and i did some of the maxwellizing and pretty much all of the heavisiding.
assbot: Logged on 22-03-2016 20:56:07; mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes happens to me all the time! then alf runs off and invents it and i'm like fuuuu wasn't this on trilema!
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-03-2016#1438070 << aaaactually mircea_popescu invented specificity-of-diddling-theorem, i just heavisided it ☝︎
mircea_popescu: that's what i said!
asciilifeform: i'd rather shit in the cable.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i'm not reading a MB of crud i've seen before.
mircea_popescu: it's splendid, really. the fact that i can run it on a random box and trust the result pales anything else.
asciilifeform: but i was reluctant to write v, if you recall, because i considered the problem it solves to be a trivial / muscle thing
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i like right pain
asciilifeform: i use v + bare teeth
mircea_popescu: nah, i generally don't do any of that either.
asciilifeform: am i the only one without fancy mechanisms here ?
ben_vulpes: that way i can rebase, etc whenever i care to.
ben_vulpes: i press to confirm patch validity and then commit the changes to my local version controlatron.
phf: mercurial has a handy patch management mechanism, that unfortunatly doesn't understand nor produces vpatches. i basically verify vpatches manually, and then put them into hg's patch folder. then i do a topo sort, which gives me a mercurial compatible "series" file. i let mercurial press it using that series file. whole process is more complicated then should be with a proper mercurial support, but i hnfi how people rebase, refresh,
mircea_popescu: i wish she was in fucking b-a.
mircea_popescu: mrottenkolber> Obviously, I wouldn't bet on it. << trivial, add comment.
mircea_popescu: phf i heard this privately too, during rebasing debate, "pretty much the only way to manage this insanity is to put it on mercurial"
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes happens to me all the time! then alf runs off and invents it and i'm like fuuuu wasn't this on trilema! ☟︎
ben_vulpes: i have been failing to shit words on the topic out because i think of familiarity with it. it all seems so obvious!
ben_vulpes: i recently took a 45 minute sojourn into the history of "protocol vs. promise"
mircea_popescu: ah yeah i think that was when it came up
davout: ok, i meant that this issue came up when you were talking about "what should go into a tmsr fork" that danielpbarron ended up summarizing on his blog?
mircea_popescu: i suppose this could be mediated by doing the tagging over pm
mrottenkolber: oh anarcho-syndicalism I dig that
mrottenkolber: I am indeed using ssl to connect to freenode, this assbot thing might actually work. :D
mrottenkolber: I totally get why bitcoin development motivates v, obviously there is motivation for adversaries here.
mircea_popescu: well if you're curious, free money is the basis for the existence of the republic which is the reason stuff like v ended up existing. but i suppose from outside this string of actual events may as well be coincidental.
asciilifeform: mrottenkolber: you are in good company, i also do not use bitcoin with any appreciable frequency...
mrottenkolber: mircea_popescu: No, sorry, still mumbling aout the why I am in b-a
mircea_popescu: mrottenkolber nothing i said was related to bitcoin, was it ?
mrottenkolber: I have absolutely no interest in bitcoin to be honest, don't see the point.
asciilifeform: they do! i have seen.
mrottenkolber: I read about v and liked the hack, ran into the expired signature and well...
mrottenkolber: But... am I even connected using ssl? no idea
mrottenkolber: Obviously, I wouldn't bet on it.
mrottenkolber: I am only mentioning the sha1 option because I don't understand crypto well enough to be able to rationalize the effort of producing a file, with the same sha1sum, with an exploit while the patch still applies.
phf: mrottenkolber: a better place to wire v would be mercurial's mq facility. mercurial has a way of managing plaintext patchsets, to do things like patch refresh, i.e update the contents of patch from the current tree state, mercurial managed patch press, i.e. instead of doing "manual" v press hg will keep track of state for you, etc. this will not be a way to share patches, as much as a way to facilitate vpatch authoring.
asciilifeform: phf: thing is that i have no intention of ignoring the sha1 issue. sha1 is ~broken~.
mrottenkolber: will probably not be chatting that much, but I am very keen of actually starting to build some wotness. My gpg is useless right now its so bare.
phf: asciilifeform: well, you can verify data without verifying git. i've done it, and the thing definitely produces a semblance of "blockchain", i.e. later commits hashes previous commits' hashes, so you can if you ignore the sha1 issue, take a git branch and confirm its uniqueness from the final hash
asciilifeform: mrottenkolber: consider getting in the wot, i will rate you.
mrottenkolber: I guess
mrottenkolber: I have to say I like your spirit very much.
asciilifeform: that i for one have not read nor verified, nor intend to
mrottenkolber: phf: That's why I thought about adding signatures of “git vdiff” to commit messages and an alias/command to verify a branch.
asciilifeform: neither i nor toyota have any business saying what you do.