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phf: asciilifeform: those dead bushido masters made drawn swords go "schwink" on video, but i assume that's an intentional skill
danielpbarron: i actually have one of those things
danielpbarron: oh hah, now i did the wrong channel thing
shinohai: Anyone here having any luck on chan logs? I can log fine, but making them search-able has been futile for me thus far.
mircea_popescu: deedbot-> [Trilema] The Savages - http://trilema.com/2016/the-savages/ <<< incidentally, i'm really curious what peeps think iof this move.
mircea_popescu: mats i thought they won tikrit ?!
trinque: I need to clean some things up, probably swap sqlite for postgresql, then it's ready.
BingoBoingo: mats: I similarly share your detector disappointment
mats: when he said he 'kitted out [his] detecting gear', i thought he bought a mounted MD/GPR thing for his vehicle
phf: hmmm rotor script actually uses 4.9, for some reason i though it was frozen around 4.2-4.3 but maybe i'm confusing it with eulora
phf: what's our preferred gcc version? i'm having a brain malfunction
asciilifeform: this is what i normally do anyway
phf: i assume you're talking not about a mechanism, but rather thinking process, in which case mp's private key is "known".
mircea_popescu: phf quite exactly. which is why i don't use the term nor think much of reasonings employing it as a rule.
asciilifeform: so i rarely find myself arithmetizing 'is this fella TOO FAR in the phase space of priors' or the like.
mircea_popescu: phf i hope you're not about to put magic numbers in the fucking code!
phf: well, perhaps then transferability has some range values attached to it, "how much effort do i need to go through in order to grok"
phf: mircea_popescu: i didn't understand that last question
asciilifeform: 'I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhäuser Gate.' (tm) (r)
phf: that's a prior that can be easier transferred, but only to an extent. i've not had that specific experience, perhaps there's some insight there that i'm missing beyond the obvious
mircea_popescu: i took a piss on a woman splayed in the backalleys of cairo. you did not. this is now not-transferrable ?!
phf: mircea_popescu: i clarified it a bit with "non-trivial to transfer"
phf: well, danielpbarron believes in god, i (for sake of conversation) don't. that's a non-transferable prior, though of course both can be transferred through various involved mechanisms. indoctrination, dialogues, sudden insight
asciilifeform: soooo how is mircea_popescu's seeekrit minercollusion tip not 'private prior' ? what am i missing.
phf: right, when i say non-sharable, i don't mean, can't be verbalized
mircea_popescu: i meant private quite in the public/private dichotomy contempated re the defintion of republic/forum.
DianaComan: not at all, no, I'll troll some with it irl
DianaComan: hello, I'm Definitionally Crazy! :D
phf: i might find a discussion of lent dietary choices both interesting and not at all uncomfortable, but never the less they are "crazy" because the foundation is understood but not shared
mircea_popescu: what if i started discussing finer points of random minutia, which is 2/3 of what i do anyway ?
phf: i don't understand it and it matches my construct of other person's framing
mircea_popescu: (yes, when i say X is stupid what i mean is, exactly the matching above, except not regexp)
mircea_popescu: which i suppose is exactly the common understanding on the topic also!
asciilifeform: generally i in particular don't 'this is crazy' unless 'this' pattern-matches known types of insanity in my buffer
mircea_popescu: so "whatever i don't understand is crazy" ?
phf: well, danielpbarron is a religious fundamentalist. things that he says have to be recoded from his frame to my frame. if there's particularly prolonged periods of inability to map frames on my part, i can go "well this is crazy" and dismiss it as not bring relevant to me or i can spend significantly more effort to recode
DianaComan: phf: i'm just saying there was plenty of opportunities to speak up against crazy in the past, and i saw plenty of crazy and i just thought everyone else took it in strides, as part of the game. apparently not! <- at a stretch crazy might be seen as an insult I suppose
trinque: I don't see the crazy myself, but perhaps "we're all mad here!"
phf: danielpbarron expressed some concern that the following part of yesterdays #b-a log was an accusation made by me against mircea_popescu. i don't see it, but perhaps i'm missing something? http://paste.lisp.org/display/311820/raw
PeterL: meh, a couple people poked their heads in, no more than any other time in #b-a, I don't see any corpse-munching yet
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: i did warn.
mircea_popescu: by which i mean that a) all use is already in use - sure, an ant can't eat you, because of it - but you kinda already both know and use this and b) all uses not already in use are monstrously cataclysmic and temporally unapproachable. so the kelvin death, really ? oooo, neat, lemme make that into a doorlock!
mircea_popescu: phf i'm very happy with the guy's statement, both in the fundamental rejection and in the discursive analysis of the claims aspects. more words may be added to beenfit peculiar idiots, but as it stands it contains the first 4k or so words one'd say on the topic.
mircea_popescu: phf yes, i am very happy with it. guy even includes a formal scheme of what the proof should look like, for the benefit of the titrated tykes.
mircea_popescu: granted, i've not gone to school at the premier lightbulb lighting institution in the world.
mircea_popescu: is there some theorem of the unicity of entanglement that i missed ?
mircea_popescu: if the dumbass thing weren't a pdf, i might have made a trilema blast piece. which perhaps explains why it is pdf.
phf: "Is the security of quantum cryptography guaranteed by the laws of physics?" i have no expertise to make a comment on it though
phf: i guess stephenson is on seveneves kick right now, which was pretty torturous reading, but probably goes really well with swj crowd
mircea_popescu: i blame the devs!
DianaComan: I don't get what you are on really; I said: to see if I am positive or negative, not even comparing to you, just very crude: today my eulora account is worth 1btc, tomorrow it is worth 1.5btc or 0.5btc
mircea_popescu: well suppose you have 1mn and 1 have 1mn. then tomorrow, you have 100 dead molluscs q 150 and i have 100 bng recipes, q 150.
DianaComan: I can compare that way
DianaComan: no, but I use my bv as a baseline
mircea_popescu: and how do i calculate if im in positive or negative ?
asciilifeform: but then my demo ran out and i got booted, and haven't played since)
asciilifeform: i also played it on demo-mpex for a while
asciilifeform: i think i used to play this
mircea_popescu: for instance asciilifeform : last night i loaded up the 500 abandoned eggs DianaComan sold me, plus some shiny rock shards i had from before, also abandoned birds' nests and disgusting goop, put 500 recipes for flinty toothpaste in my mind, said /bot craft 500 and went to bed. this morning i had like 300 of the things.
DianaComan: back when I was more hopeful that I actually have the time for at least half the ideas I had
DianaComan: ah certainly, I even had that as first idea, ha
mircea_popescu: DianaComan actually i suppose one could try and make ai for foxybot
DianaComan: there is some very satisfying quality of "it works for me while I SLEEP" component to it too
asciilifeform: i dun get it
DianaComan: ftr asciilifeform I routinely leave it on while I sleep
asciilifeform pictures wheeling desktop into office - 'hey boss, this is so that i can...'
mircea_popescu: i have been playing it continuously for like 5-6 months now. just leave the bot what to do.
asciilifeform: it takes time in the sense that i can't do it on the stake
asciilifeform: i could dig up a 4:3 panel and a gpu.
asciilifeform: i haven't a 3d card. or a 4:3 display. or time.
asciilifeform: hey i played chess against self as a boy.
asciilifeform: i mean, what, mircea_popescu wrote the equation, then drank bottle of vodka, and forgot, and now is re-deriving it, playing against past self ??
phf: in earlier years i wrote a scripting language where processes will go mad after running too long, i.e. each operation had a correctness probability that will be logarithmically adjust based on thread's age. a boolean expression that returns true at 1, will return false 30% of time at .7, etc. i vaguely suspect something like that was used to write eulora server
mircea_popescu: i suffer from various mental afflictions.
asciilifeform: i have nfi what i am looking at.
asciilifeform: no, because i never played..?
mircea_popescu: wait. i read it to mean that r-s theta is pre-built.
phf: i'm only hoping they mean they have proper numeric tower, rather then straight up "this plus can be anything"
mircea_popescu: "I have recently looked at Julia, a new programming language developed at MIT that promises to be a dynamic programming language that is suitable for scientific computing with a high-performance implementation. "
asciilifeform: i.e. a shitlang
phf: BingoBoingo: i read your post
phf: i wonder if the whole charade has anything do with growth of iphone adoption in china
asciilifeform: iirc this is what i said on day1
phf: i guess the attempt is to create controversy on account of everyone being weary of usg syndevs, "look! we have some non-compromised companies"
asciilifeform: http://trilema.com/2016/la-tati-ni-i-greu-or-the-pervy-romanians-etnobotanical-study/ <<l0l!
asciilifeform: 10:49 <+deedbot-> [Trilema] La tati ni-i greu, or "The pervy Romanians - etnobotanical study" -
asciilifeform: but i suppose people are quite like chess pieces, in the sense of having plastic mold tabs
mircea_popescu: i don't mean circumcision. i mean the split that usually happens in uncircumcised males once they get into their own and vigurously fuck a damsel.
asciilifeform: they didn't detach those where i'm from
mircea_popescu: i still have my foreskin attached, also. i am untouched by worldly corruptions as a young babe!
asciilifeform: aha, that's what i meant
mircea_popescu: i have all the everythings i started with!
asciilifeform: i bet mircea_popescu still has his caffeine receptors.
mircea_popescu: i'm a coffee coneisseur by ricochet.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i know the feeling. i drink coffee like i smoke, a pot a month. but i am blessed with the company of oyung ladies that are crazy for the stuff,
asciilifeform: but i'm beginning to appreciate the merits of the fancy cooking machines: while people use them, they can still count as 'work'
asciilifeform: i can't be arsed.
phf: i briefly dated a jamaican girl in college whose grandfather had a coffee plantation, they sold most of it to roasters but roasted some for artisanal resale. i don't know if that was necessarily "best" coffee, but that's certainly not coffee i can forget
mircea_popescu: it's like... i don't even know. i have it imported here.
asciilifeform: i think the machine ~exists~ in order to make the gasoline-smelling 'starbux' swill taste great in comparison