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mircea_popescu: specifically : i would judge trinque did 10% of the job yet. still has to specific.

ben_vulpes: what, people are accustomed to hammering their fingers in the door, so i should allow for people who want me to hammer their fingers before letting them into the house?

danielpbarron: well i still manually move the resulting .asc file to an airgapped machine..

mircea_popescu: you know, trinque asciilifeform phf ben_vulpes and other folks with the lisp interest : diana_coman 's mishap earlier makes me think about this. so... "changing code without restart is pretty cool". subjectively, it feels that way, i feel it. but then ... what of the people caught in mid transaction by an invisible change ? seems to me this coolness resolves no actual problem, just pushes the goop around.

diana_coman: I think it was my fault, I timed it precisely in the middle of the change, lol

mircea_popescu: trinque i gotta say it's pretty fucking cool even for people who didn't grow up at all.

trinque: since I grew up in a sewer, the fact that you can go edit a running common lisp program will always bring me great joy.

mircea_popescu: so basically, /msg ChanServ FLAGS #trilema deedbot +AHVhtv only works halfway, i guess they did a buncha undocumented changes to the op/halfop/etc mess.

mircea_popescu: wait, is the bot intimating i'm gay ?!

mircea_popescu: what, am i a witch ?

trinque: yep I can swap that character at front

deedbot-: [Daniel P. Barron] Count me as thick, I dun see the connection. - http://danielpbarron.com/2016/count-me-as-thick-i-dun-see-the-connection/

trinque: yeah, that's what I'm doing

mircea_popescu: trinque> and I have not imported the old wot << why not ?!

trinque: old deedbot- will handle feeds til I make an rsstron for the CL guy

trinque: I'll properly package the source, clean shit up a bit, then post for asciilifeform, ben_vulpes, phf to give a beating.

trinque: and I have not imported the old wot

asciilifeform: at one rupturefarm where i applied to work, there was a notebook of 'pwn this proggy' underhanded-c questions, and one of them relied on this fact.

asciilifeform: <phf> Upload em and I will implement mp-array that can be indexed with negatives << phun phakt, c will ~happily~ permit you to index with negatives.

asciilifeform: <mircea_popescu> check it out, ten bitcents buys you all four. << i bet it buys a good bit of hot air. 14yos ~lie~...

asciilifeform: but i was a late-comer

asciilifeform: i have ~98% logz from 2013 up

phf: Since it's all written without use of any third party libraries I basically just take knuth and code it from scratch

mircea_popescu: the other fact is that i really don't do much coding (mostly because whenever i try i start throwing things out of displeasure of the sort seen above)

mircea_popescu: phf now i much better understand your reluctancy to tree

phf: Upload em and I will implement mp-array that can be indexed with negatives

mod6: ya, i'd give you a coin to bundle them up for me -- i'll store 'em somewhere for safe keeping.

mircea_popescu: well seems i am actually the only one with the logs.

mod6: its a cryin' shame. i /used/ to log shit like a long time ago when it was #bitcoin-otc

mircea_popescu: or otherwise : why the fuck would i use anything but strings if the only way to access elements is through a n-th reference.

mircea_popescu: there's nothing inherently inferior about black oops i mean negative numbers, is there ?

phf: Maybe not, I should think about it

phf: I'm not sure of a reasonable way of integrating it though. Main issue, and general with canonical log approach taken so far is each entry has an id, starts at 1, and incremented by assbot database

phf: If you can pack&upload from 2012 to date above, I can integrate them

mircea_popescu: but of course they're only while i personallt was on

mircea_popescu: **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Apr 12 23:03:54 2012 < i have them earlier

asciilifeform: lol im also konphyoosed, i'm in a room full of chinese

asciilifeform: at this point i'm not even sure whether most reddit userz are even made of meat

mircea_popescu: i dunno that there's that many sexually active womenz on reddit. seems mostly BingoBoingo's mayogenders & weirdo bois.

mircea_popescu: i have nfi, reddit people ?

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform average whore still works 4 an hour for 6 hours. do i sign you up for 24 fucks a day ?

asciilifeform: i still wish i knew what mircea_popescu means by 'erection is scarce'

diana_coman: anyway,at this level of haziness I don't think there's much that I can say further;

mircea_popescu: hey, if i didn't know better i'd think you're discussing a trilema article.

diana_coman: or maybe I just don't get it

diana_coman: I increasingly get the impression that you are trying to answer in that post to what you perceive to be people's actual ideas of the thing, but

mircea_popescu: diana_coman i believe it's not so different from any other simplified approach, such as johnny bravo seeing hot mammas all around ; or else orc warrior seeing world in terms of threats etc.

mircea_popescu: because i have no confidence the million is in any way related. it would seem to me the better is truly at issue.

diana_coman: I read that as an implied millionaire=better otherwise why not right it as such: people who are millionaires, are millionaries

mircea_popescu: which is why i didn't approach the matter in ethical terms at all ; much to pete's displeasure.

diana_coman: I suppose the difference comes at heart from defining millionaire as a state of being and thus an inevitable characteristic of the essence of a person (that's my understanding of your position)

mircea_popescu: i have no idea what it is, and i don't see that it is very much at all.

mircea_popescu: when i broadly reject your proposition of "change" understood in representational terms, i do not by that rejection also somehow reject actual change understood in actual terms.

diana_coman: not sure I follow

diana_coman: mk, so an adult is set then to whatever s/he is; is that your position above that people don't change? (I still don't see how is this really reconciled with "they turn to shit as they age!!" - if they change, they can't turn to anything )

diana_coman: so I don't quite see the point to expressing circles (other than they are satisfying)

diana_coman: and b. this thing is quite circular as you say it or as I read what you say

diana_coman: heh, was I having so much fun that it's unclear whether I am serious or having fun? lolz

mircea_popescu: i read it like 3 times still dun know which one are you saying

mircea_popescu: phf> so you generally have two problems, one is "how do i group together multiple source code files in order to indicate they are part of same codebase", second is "how do i indicate dependency of this codebase on this other codebase" and third is "how do i autodownload things from internet" <<< all of which are really "how do i install v"

BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: I class that under "icky"

asciilifeform: ideally i oughta be able to search for " lsd " tho.

asciilifeform: phf: toggleable whitespace word boundaries would be useful but i argue that if we can only have one thing, we oughta have the thing you linked to.

asciilifeform: when i'm trying to tool

asciilifeform: i dun wanna talk to people.

asciilifeform: what one ~can~ do is participate in 'hackspaces' but i tried it and it sucked

asciilifeform: phf: if i could choose between rent and seasickness, i would choose the latter.

BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Only people I know from timisoara left there.

phf: good for mp internet, lynx, batch email u/d, git pull/push. basically all you need to do work (all i need anyway)

BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Which is why I suggest if choosing Iowa choose fiber internet. No Verizon needed.

pete_dushenski: ;;later tell ben_vulpes it may well be that i hail from narnia, but yes, interest rates and house prices are inversely correlated. furthermore, and i forget sometimes that americans lock in rates for entire mortgages, but canadians typically renegotiate their rates every 5 years. longer terms are available, but it's been +ev to take shorter terms for so long that i don't know of a single homeowner who doesn't do 5-year term

asciilifeform: 'how do i remove the alligator from my bath'

asciilifeform: i seem to recall..

phf: so you generally have two problems, one is "how do i group together multiple source code files in order to indicate they are part of same codebase", second is "how do i indicate dependency of this codebase on this other codebase" and third is "how do i autodownload things from internet"

phf: jurov: also i agree as far as swank being piece of shit, it's just that it supports a certain development style that you can't get anywhere else, except smalltalk

phf: jurov: i've not seen where asdf is deprecated, you looking at this guy https://common-lisp.net/project/asdf/?

phf: also proper slad should be smart about resource handling on fork, like sockets. i think this is all somehow handled by the vm, but you still want to explore it

pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: lololol. i've been mega-had

phf: i don't on account of mac/linux

jurov: and i wondered whether it's me or swan is really so cranky

trinque: for now I'll just turd out a save-lisp-and-die and go from there

phf: i played with swank on live webserver setup (back when marco's UnCommonWeb was a thing) and quickly gave up on it, when i was hit with a bug that 100+ people triggered

jurov: phf, as a lisp newbie i wondered why asdf is so consistently tagged "obsolete" everywhere

phf: jurov: i can often get slightly better performance out of cmucl than out of c on critical paths, so that was purely algorithmic question under the assumption that i can easily get within same ballpark with the right algo

trinque: I might just ship new deedbot with swank attached

phf: i'd read it to figure out what the "improvements" are, but i can't, because the new code is ~insane~

asciilifeform: but increasingly i am convinced of mircea_popescu's point, 'ecosystem' of cockroaches is worse than none

asciilifeform: and so i marvel that it worx.

phf: i mean, 75kb or readable lisp vs. 560kb or crazy "with-upgradability" macros that break cross-referencing, etc.

phf: from the world of lisp rot, asdf, the `make' of common lisp, has been gaining features for a while now to the point that it contains all kinds of crazy shit, like a fullblown cross-lisp compatibility layer for various file operations, etc. so i pulled version 1.369, last one before faré took over the operations, it is 75kb vs current 560k (which is itself packed from a large repo). not surprisingly it works, but when it doesn't it exposes cockroa

danielpbarron: i recall the original silk road had it's own .onion web forum, but i guess this was too hard for the kids who showed up after it was cool

asciilifeform: though i have nfi why this needs to happen with cooperation of reddit per se

asciilifeform: ^ notably i was not involved with this iirc.

phf: My assumption is always +inf but I like to keep heap minimal out of sportsmanship

phf: I think joins and quits add a lot of extra noise

mircea_popescu: phf how much is the actual log incidentally ? i see well over 600mb here.

mircea_popescu: like it or not, we, or at least i, actually DO tokenize by space.

phf: yeah, that's what i'm thinking, and then things like $#434 will just have whatever own buckets that they want

mircea_popescu: i tell you : store the thing as trees.

asciilifeform: but i dun think anyone, even janitor, taks home less than 6fig usa