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asciilifeform: mod6: imho i described above, why.
asciilifeform: not only this, but 'omfg11111! i can sell lisp to the boss at the cube farm now, it will build to jvm, can mingle with java codez!11'
phf: hicky is intentionally josling, i.e. designing language with mass appeal, knowing full well what he's doing
asciilifeform: mod6: some years ago, i attended a few meetings of a local clojurist society. ended up barfing and writing article, http://www.loper-os.org/?p=42 (and sequel, http://www.loper-os.org/?p=374 ) that ~still~ get flamez, and - until recently - were among the top google results for subj...
mod6: i've never fucked with clojure
ben_vulpes: i've been wondering where that patch got off to
mod6: hey, im just posting this here so we don't lost it -- this is from funk_ iirc, he never sent it to the list -- i'm told that it "works" but have never tested it myself: http://dpaste.com/2WTCSHV.txt
asciilifeform: i don't work with, e.g., ruby, or with people who do.
asciilifeform: i don't give half a shit re what sewer rats do, for so long as it isn't done in my house or where i have to see it.
gernika: If asciilifeform ever accidentally ends up at the same hotel as a rails convention, I expect to see a lot of shattered teeth on the floor.
phf: mircea_popescu: i think it's because whole thing is various degrees of successful abstraction on top of von neumann machine
mircea_popescu: i'm not preparing to damn ada by any means.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i didn't build the thing!1111
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i thought "mod is not defined because bignum"
trinque: davout: no way in hell I'd run such a thing without it involving the airgap dance.
phf: asciilifeform: i somehow hosed my gentoo install, everything's giving me 'libstdc++.so.6 no such file' :o
mats: i initially started with ~15btc in my coinbr piggy a little more than two years ago, deposited another 15 a year later. today, i'm walking away with 60btc in profit and a 30btc stake in s.nsa
mircea_popescu: i don't see hospitals using bags of "saline" that come with a "warning : not suitable for use" on them.
mircea_popescu: whoever ok'd using c++ i guess.
asciilifeform: 'As a software safety engineer I find the implementation-defined aspects of C++ bit-fields to be very unsettling. A project may verify that its C++ bit-fields work as intended on a particular architecture, but when a technology refresh is performed in several years, there is no assurance that the C++ program will continue to work properly on the new hardware. The failure of the C++ program to run on
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes, i mean so that trinque gets experience with castles, sure.
mircea_popescu: so...i...can...$pay!!1
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so i can $pay.
davout: re a better specified auction deadline, i think it's best to precise it to "the end of wednesday the 6th of april, in whatever timezone this event happens last"
mircea_popescu: someone pretending to do dev work and not being in wot is ipso facto saying "i am a fraudster trying to sell my shit as software".
mircea_popescu: so i can $pay etc.
mircea_popescu: diana_coman well in game-stuff i ideally want to change the chat to irc, but hey.
mircea_popescu: i'd much rather have some separation between things.
diana_coman: ah, you mean auctions and reporting in chan, I was thinking in game stuff
davout: i /think/ it was called bitmit
davout: ;;later tell pete_dushenski you have a point, i did not specify a timezone for "the end of wednesday the 6th of april"
mircea_popescu: i hope.
davout: i'm pretty sure we'll look back five years from now and witness pretty much the same thing
PeterL: nafario asked me if I wanted to come to some conference to talk about how to use the thing
davout: nefario asked me if i wanted to write the thing
davout: at that time i was like "i have nfi what this glbse thing is supposed to do, maybe i should do drugs instead"
mircea_popescu: but the way mpoe happened was that basically i threw up the idea in chan and a bunch of the people then-active commented and so on.
mircea_popescu: i don't rightly recall what it was, and i'm not even sure i was yet keeping irc logs at the very early time all this happened.
davout: anyway, i'm genuinely curious as to how much bitbet will end up selling for
pizzaman1337: one day I'm reading bitcoin-assets logs and bitbet is going... somewhere, mpex going private.. what's going on?
mircea_popescu: funny, i was thinking the same thing.
mircea_popescu: i dunno. who in 1900 had a large bureaucracy ? the chinese, and they got raped.
danielpbarron: if i think the amount they asked for is incorrect, i'd come up with my own number and challenge it
danielpbarron: i wouldn't mind cutting them a check so much if they came and asked for it; I can't stand this whole "you do our work for us" ritual americans do every april
mircea_popescu: course, i suppose a wife could be found for the govt to cut the deal with.
mircea_popescu: ironically i linked a piece about some other famous tax quarrel guy, who said the same thing (from jail)
danielpbarron: from what I understand, they're supposed to tell me what i'm supposed to have paid, and if i refuse then to pay it -> jail
mircea_popescu: so i'm guessing danielpbarron is getting voted most likely to succeed jail ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i dunno any other philip
mircea_popescu: cue the canuck "renegotiable 5yr rate on 30 yr mortgages", i nearly fell over when i had that confirmed.
mircea_popescu: i'll have to have that rat thing demonstrated, doesn't seem to make much sense theoretically.
asciilifeform: no i know about the lumpens.
shinohai: ;;later tell BingoBoingo I need moar qntra shares to prevent this poor woman from dying of overeat: http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/gastric-band-appeal-amy-murray-11138741
asciilifeform: i'm speaking of poor, not lumpen scum
davout: PeterL: yes, it's a good point, i'll move my comment and keep an eye open to move those that ended up commenting the wrong post
PeterL: (but I claime a very high number of dependents)
PeterL: nah, I did not claim exempt but had no withholdings last year
danielpbarron: otherwise they take money out preemptively and I'd need to file to get it back
danielpbarron: it's my understanding that in order to have 0 withheld, i also have to say exempt
mircea_popescu: i can't see how ? prolly should put a notice to bid in the right place ?
mircea_popescu: ahaha bidding on own auction ? i gotta import this in eulora totally.
trinque: I could of course send you messages I somehow say are intended for #trilema entirely aside the point of whether the official node bothers with them
trinque: eh I guess you end up doing both, because then you've still gotta nickserv auth
trinque: I could just move the password and remove the case where my nick hasn't been changed
mircea_popescu: ah. yeah you would. i don't think they can maintain ircd loose network and have it do that.
phf: mircea_popescu: yeah, but then you have to write that logic into a bot. i was hoping that using login/password just kicks the previous account off
phf: that was my impression since that's how my bouncer runs, and the only time i had issues is when my ssl cert silently expired. but come to think of it, i've not tested it
trinque: and that'll just boot the previous instance of "deedbot" if I connect that way?
phf: my ping/pong code was not very good. i reworked it yesterday, but haven't yet enabled on this guy, so if he falls over, it'll be quietly, and we'll know by lack of logs :D
mircea_popescu: so you're saying i'm a sinful asm/cobol/c-head ?
asciilifeform: or actually i no
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the bitwise thing works. i have nfi why not used in the example.
trinque: where I (think I'm) headed is the bot being a separate module. code using the bot would pass the appropriate generic function to call for commands into make-bot
trinque: and I have no idea if I did terrible things, so say so. I'm just some dude reading books on lisp that washed up on my island
trinque: phf: http://dpaste.com/1SZ14HH << here's what I beat your example into
a111: Logged on 2016-04-06 12:30 asciilifeform: ;;later tell phf i find myself agreeing with adlai, the way we have it now, the log is in fact near-unreadable EXCEPT in wwwtron. links oughta dump into the chan assbot-style
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-06#1446778 << i also agree, i just politely pointed out that the feature is obviously needed, i just don't trust bot part enough yet to put more functionality on it. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: i can't write sentences with a count at the end saying how many times you have to read them until you get them.
mircea_popescu: now i understand why you expect the foundries to cost billionz! you're outsourcing!
mircea_popescu: "as long as these are securely fastened, an absolute guarantee to no pants shitting can be offered by manufacturer". and yes i used such thjings, but for very peculiar purposes.
asciilifeform: do i have to justify that also ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i did not say that basic hygiene is a ~stopping~ place, but a starting point.
mircea_popescu: and yeah, i get the "doc it hurts when i do this" "so don't do it then" thing. but ...
asciilifeform: incidentally, i recommend the 'random walk' article to anyone with even a passive interest in the subj
mircea_popescu: i've been wondering bout this.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i wish it weren't the right thing...
mircea_popescu: and yes, the more i hear about ada the more i like it, or properly speaking the more it sounds like right thing.
mircea_popescu: I DID SAY!!11!! "without importing" did i ?
asciilifeform: i can't argue with this.
mircea_popescu: consider what i'm actually saying : it's one thing to solve correctly a well defined problem ; it is another thing to solve well a nebulous one.
mircea_popescu: phf fwiw i believe "threads" are a miserable kludge, so i can see the angle.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu is here committing the 'economics is what i see at the grocery counter' fallacy
phf: the web part is fine, but i want a bit more reliability out of a bot, maybe move it into a separate process even. this whole ascii's "does cmucl even has proper threads" is biting me in the ass
phf: right, but that will redirect you to /log/2012-02-01 because i like iso 8601
asciilifeform: ( i was not tuned in yet, so i have nfi )
mircea_popescu: right ? so if i want feb 2012 i go /?date=01-02-2012
danielpbarron: mildly annoying that old log url and new log url have date in reverse order, but i guess a script can hack around this trivially
phf: so the way it used to address is /?date=06-04-2016, i think that should still happen when you hit /log/
mircea_popescu: phf word. also, a way to go to arbitrary date should be... oh nm, i can just hack teh url.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the consacrated words being under the dragon. "i see no reason to continue supporting or otherwise encourage X.". with or without the banishment rider.