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mircea_popescu: i dunnoi, im not that into gfx browsers.
asciilifeform: i ~won't~ use firefox, for instance.
mircea_popescu: i don't see how it could possibly qualify.
asciilifeform: 'chromium' was, last i knew, the ~least~ braindamaged
phf: yeah, that's about how long it's been since you could get a decent browser behavior. i think that's when firefox switched from "general purpose xul renderer" to "modern browser"
mircea_popescu: oh, don't tell me, i could "save setings online and access them from any browser"
mircea_popescu: popups to translate pages "not in the languages i speak" ? wtf does it know what languages i speak
mircea_popescu: so i installed chromium to check it out.
mircea_popescu: i just checked lol.
asciilifeform: and at any rate, 9 was my top bid because... that was all the coinz i had.
mircea_popescu: i have a trilema article all ready for when this finally happened, went to bed expecting to publish it this morn... no dice...
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i dunno, www world is enamoured with "metrics" and whatnot
davout: aha, i misunderstood, thought he asked pointers to the forum's logs
asciilifeform: 'Although this is not a requirement, and assuming he has kept a copy, I would also appreciate
mircea_popescu: i dunno on your site somewhere.
PeterL: meh, just wondering, I guess I can search through logs
mircea_popescu: there isn't any air for the whole "oh i did nothing wrong" contribution.
PeterL: I forget, what did decimation do wrong?
davout: if anyone cares i'm done bidding
danielpbarron: right, i thought maybe znort had made the bid an hour ago and it was he who won
davout: the sig is valid once i add <pre>s
davout: also i fell of chair when i discovered wp_comments table has two fields comment_date_gmt, and comment_date
danielpbarron: well i was able to fix pete's myself and see that it verified, but the same trick didn't work on znort's
davout: danielpbarron: yeah, i'm adding them myself since wp is retarded
danielpbarron: i didn't refresh
davout: danielpbarron: i usually add <pre> tags
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> 'More than 40% of Americans who borrowed from the government’s main student-loan program aren’t making payments << incidentally... i own a coupla of these.
mircea_popescu: but all in all this is SO MUCH like eulora auctions i can't fucking believe.
mircea_popescu: o noes, i wonder. why could it be.
PeterL: asciilifeform> (it is, i think, imitating the rear engine block of 12 cyl 'ferrari' with its air cooled motor) << I always thought it was supposed to provide some shade, keep inside car from heating up in the sun?
mircea_popescu: could make an ok diner cook, i spose.
phf: can of course not have a sequential id/entry mapping, but i think that breaks expectations
phf: i assume assbot handled that by having a short reconnect cycle and simply losing a message or two during an outage ☟︎
phf: bigger concern is not really losing entries, but having invalid id numbers. bot keeps log a b c d bot reconnects and misses a handful of messages g h i j, now in order to insert e f back into the log need to shift g h i j ids forward so if i references h, it's now refering f instead
ben_vulpes: i don't...just pointing out the hoops poor d00d had to jump through in order to publish the thing.
ben_vulpes: this is all immaterial. i don't disagree that it's a nifty "all in 1".
asciilifeform: i did find myself wondering if the author has one of those 16:8 displays or the like
ben_vulpes: this is /precisely/ that of which i complain
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: pretty much best 'all in 1' article on subj i could find tho.
ben_vulpes: sorry phf i only respond to un-prefixed commands
asciilifeform: i just happen to see lenin as a necessary forest fire, so that idiot dynasty could properly die
mircea_popescu: well so i dun like him.
mircea_popescu: i am not discussing that he was ineffective, ie, an engineering question. i am discussing that he is evil, ie, an ethical question.
asciilifeform: i can certainly see that rms was ~ineffective~ post-1993 or so
asciilifeform: and ftr i don't much care why he did what he did, terry davis wrote quasi-sane os because the devil personally ordered him to in his sleep
mircea_popescu: that has exactly nothing to do. i don't like in that way.
mircea_popescu: anyway. the more rms i read the less i like him. the more i think about rms, the less i like him.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu often says 'i don't deal in counterfactuals', and the principle seems quite in place here - it is not clear to me that a gcc-less 1980s would have led to anything other than a wintel os+compiler monopoly
mircea_popescu: i can't see him as anything more or anything else than a decoy.
mircea_popescu: wait, i'm supposed to get excited about the campbell can of soup on the left because it is blue ?
asciilifeform: i tell ya, i dun see it
mircea_popescu: da fuck i care.
mircea_popescu: hey could lock, another little room. But the point is that people usually don't bother to think about that. They have the idea: “This room is Mine, I can lock it, to hell with everyone else”, and that is exactly the spirit that we must teach them not to have.
mircea_popescu: hing they thought might get stolen and they wanted to lock it up, but they didn't care about the other people they were affecting by locking up other things in the same room. Almost every time this happened, once I brought it to their attention, that it was not up to them alone whether that room should be locked, they were able to find a compromise solution: some other place to put the things they were worried about, a desk t
mircea_popescu: In the years that followed I was inspired by that ideas, and many times I would climb over ceilings or underneath floors to unlock rooms that had machines in them that people needed to use, and I would usually leave behind a note explaining to the people that they shouldn't be so selfish as to lock the door. The people who locked the door were basically considering only themselves. They had a reason of course, there was somet
mircea_popescu: having meanwhile googled the abomination, i can confirm it is sarah jessica parker
phf: unless it's a sarah jessica parker joke that i'm somehow missing
phf: mircea_popescu: i'm thinking the 1970 something movie
asciilifeform: ollow the same spirit that I started with the original Emacs. Then he stabbed everyone in the back by putting copyrights on it, making people promise not to redistribute it and then selling it to a software-house. My later dealings with him personally showed that he was every bit as cowardly and despicable as you would expect from that history.'
phf: asciilifeform: that's too witty for me, i'm just typing all over the place
phf: asciilifeform: i thought current emacs is gosling emacs derivative?
mircea_popescu: i thought it went out of style with the 50s household
asciilifeform: as i understand that was phf's usage.
mircea_popescu: i don't think this is a man problem. imo this is a family problem.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-06#1447364 << i think he's exactly right. ☝︎
phf: that's my impression of american "lucrative" corporate jobs though, because people that i know from that place went on to very similar places, and that's what they do. code as part of special clojure team in a company that's all java, or code in f# for a special f# team in a company that's all .NET. they get drunk during lunch, shit faced on fridays
phf: then grads? probably, i mean it's twenty year olds making six figures to do fuck all in clojure
BingoBoingo: I bet the people around you were somehow more insufferable though.
phf: that was also my first and last "corporate" job, which was interesting, i quit on the first day after coming back from burning man that same year. good times.
phf: fwiw my first exposure to clojure was a clojure job in finance industry, i did a couple of talks on common lisp within airshot of the hiring person from the team, that was way before 1.0, and we must've been one of the first corporations to use clojure, because hicky made a point of coming to a local tech conference and speaking, i've had beer with him a few times
asciilifeform: but overall the question calls for an expert entomologist and i am grossly underequipped.
phf: i think that would be npr
asciilifeform: i actually had to stop and think, to pluck the name out of my nether brain.
asciilifeform: i am still waiting for the gasenwagen to come on account of my never having seen oprah.
asciilifeform: i eat without committing public atrocities
phf: but to your genuis of marketing point, not having even a decenarian math within flying distance, i don't really see a way out of that one. guys design their systems for the masses, say as much in public, and yet somehow there's wide adoption, because one has to eat
phf: c-sharp lambda is definitely first class, i'm trying to remember if it has weird restrictions like the python one
asciilifeform: but i have nfi, never microshat in csharp
asciilifeform: if it isn't first-class-data (i.e. a closure) it isn't a proper lambda.
phf: hmm, i thought c-sharp has a "real" lambda?
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> (it is, i think, imitating the rear engine block of 12 cyl 'ferrari' with its air cooled motor) << it is
asciilifeform: briefly back to clojure lulz thread, i have yet to run into a single clojure user who ever heard of armed bear common lisp ☟︎☟︎
phf: i basically give up on puttin right letters in words
asciilifeform: (for n00bz: it ~is~ called 'coq', i shit thee not)
mod6: is this like common knowledge that I missed by not attending a college? ☟︎
mod6: putting everything aside, really, I want a machine that will do stuff that is deterministic, mathematically provable.
mod6: i think for me, this is the allure of something like lambda calc.
asciilifeform: i bet pete_dushenski had this thought
asciilifeform: (it is, i think, imitating the rear engine block of 12 cyl 'ferrari' with its air cooled motor) ☟︎
asciilifeform: just as i was just now walking past a lot full of american shitcarz, and finally realized why 'mustang' has plastic grille over the rear window.
mod6: these guys are crazy. i have to bite holes in my tounge every day.
asciilifeform: why, i wonder, not go whole hog and go microshit.
phf: well, i think anything short of common lisp is not really a lisp :P (i.e. reader macros, restarts, pervasive defvar/defparameter clarity, well thought out function library, and such)
asciilifeform: i personally don't give half a fuck re folks wanting to use bizarre shitlang with square brackets etc.
asciilifeform: i am aware.
phf: if you're buying your schemes from supermarket, sure, but my point is that technique is available as part of the dictionary. can do a hybrid from there, i.e. compiled subtrate
asciilifeform: i regard it as false advertising.
mod6: i think this program was called 'uplift' or something - it guys employeed it to build vms quickly or w/e ☟︎
mod6: i've only used one clojure application and it was a very haphazardly implemented docker-like thingy.
phf: mod6: lisp is not always (and not usually) interpreted, i don't think there's anything wrong with targeting jvm, except for the fact that jvm itself is not good