mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, they came on a signature form thing though! http://btcbase.org/log/2014-11-15#922644 ☝︎

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, this was ultrasound, but same principle.

mircea_popescu: not very likely, though, sr brick was $$$.

mircea_popescu: lol. i heard the legends.

mircea_popescu: ample potential for hilarious misreads, which is why it's not dispensed with the human operator yet. but way the fuck faster and cheaper than proof hole drilling.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, it does two things. one is that it can mostly distinguish concrete from brick from wood and so on, it has the patterns of specific materials. the other is that it can evaluate "decay", in the sense of how uniform or nonuniform the wall is. so once it decided it's wood it can tell you ~how old ; and if concrete ~how fractured so on.

mircea_popescu: ridoinculous beeping doohickey, too. i was like "so... is it a boy ?"

mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes, old friend showed me some wonders... they have cheap enough US machines to use for building valuations now.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, how was this in sovrussian, "trained in the workplace" ?

mircea_popescu: christ on a cracker, the e=3 n=4096 bit key. who makes such things.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, odds are, antiques. exp was 3 on "cheap" systems throughout the 90s.

mircea_popescu: these people went to school, beating them over the head repeatedly with any reference is just table stakes, says nothing about eventual outcomes.

mircea_popescu: can't wait for her to wake up, now.

mircea_popescu: danielpbarron, discussion in harem, "isn't that too much linking on the neet explanation ?" "you'll see".

mircea_popescu: a forgotten art, this, to match heating speed of materials with day length.

mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes, my place in tm, had double layered brick walls, proper style. by the time the outside of the inner wall warmed up the sun was setting.

mircea_popescu: in strict, physical terms. i can peel a coupla bills off the roll way before anyone can a) take the card b) orient it to machine slit ; c) slide it through ; d) wait for data to run back and forth to visa servers (include here the pro-rated delay of "servers down" shenanigans) ; e) get me to "sign" like 1100 period barbarians the f) slip of paper it printed and spit out etc. ☟︎

mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes, money is way faster than the cards, though.

mircea_popescu: to think, my impression then was, "pity it all went to shit".

mircea_popescu: twas not my experience, but then again it's been what, 15 years.

mircea_popescu: it's universally the case. the only reason it's not obvious in the us is that everyone there is poor, nobody has anyt money.

mircea_popescu: same people who get "excited" about "paying with credit cards". "it's so much easier!!!". and these days "near field" or w/e they're doing.

mircea_popescu: well, this is then what even gets one out of bed in the morning : the hope shining through the dread, that even should something from years ago have to be reviewed on grounds of suspected stupidity, there's a shot it may turn out to have actually been quite correct.

mircea_popescu: basically, exactly like you say, we have a personhood mechanism, it'll have to be used. can't sit down and "make a mechanical friend JUST FOR THIS ONE CASE"

mircea_popescu: so there's no way out of it, http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-16#1522722 <<-->> http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-11#1812214 reflect over the ages. ☝︎☝︎

mircea_popescu: so there's no way out of it, http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-16#1522722 <<-->> http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-11#1812114 reflect over the ages. ☝︎☝︎

mircea_popescu: what gpg tried to do is somehow kludge a whole working republic into their early prototype key "ecosystem". it didn't work in practice, but that aside, it's not actually useful.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, indeed. i tell you, i don't see it. the arguments from 2016 prevail, making the ssh-style correct imo.

mircea_popescu: the excitement of "let's see if we said something stupid two years ago that informed policy for the interval and now we're biting it" in the morning...

mircea_popescu: i'd like to review this, i've been thinking about this nonsense ever since you started making noises about the ssh set.

mircea_popescu: my only concern here is whether this actually invalidates the e, N, comment republican format, as a rsa key format.

mircea_popescu: so at the same time people want to see whether "their" ssh key is fucking them like historically they have ; but we can't distinguish "their" key from garbage.

mircea_popescu: te as a thing-in-itself.

mircea_popescu: but it goes to show what seems to me actually an intrinsic failure of the ssh key format : the fact that it isn't self-signed (rather more generally, the fact that it "segwits" the metadata, having the whole authority mechanism separated from the actual key [and generally implemented as "this key has authority because $user emailed it to me"]) makes it very vulnerable to any failure outside of itself, and impossible to evalua

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, that's exactly the idea, the herd won't bother until you reach the precise epsilon.

mircea_popescu: ~possibly~ the solution is to take gpg-only submissions via webform and any-key submissions via an eventual #trilema bot. ☟︎

mircea_popescu: yes, but even if you were to, the argument is cogent, "lowering the bar to spamming results in exponential spam volumes"

mircea_popescu: as you know, plenty of them have, as proven by recent publishments.

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-11#1812165 << so basically the idea here is "ssh keys are not self signed". still though, the usecase is this : guy ssh-gens a key, wants to see if openssl fucked him. ☝︎

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-11#1812163 << are you saying basically that your indexing of keys depends on spurious metadata that's unrelated to the keys ? anyway, ssh key has a comment field implicit, people often drop an email in there say. ☝︎

mircea_popescu: "the RSA supercollider and numerical observatory" << ahahaha i like this. a numerical observatory. ☟︎

mircea_popescu: i suspect they were wondering whether there's a dylsexic agnostic insomniac.

mircea_popescu: btw hanbot, i noticed last night the dogs were lying awake.

mircea_popescu: diana_coman, for a while 35 was actually the default exponent in the circus circle.