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trinque: if we were to retain lisp, I'd say pick one, don't have
a python alongside it, and don't expect to use much "open source" to help you.
trinque: but I've had
a pretty violently negative reaction to the whole pile.
trinque: lines are another bad proxy for complexity, but they're
a better measure than the version triple
trinque: so it's not so clear that it got harder to maintain as time went on, depending
a whole bunch on where that extra lisp ended up
trinque: whaack: in this case, between sbcl-1.0.50 and the latest, the C kernel of the thing actually got smaller by roughly
a third, while the lisp part expanded by about 100k lines
trinque: version is serving here as
a proxy for complexity
trinque: I think this is
a bad heuristic.
trinque: yeah, that thing's just
a lib around doing
http posts to what's
a very simple wad of php
diana_coman: trinque: I had
a look at your published
paster lisp code; my current understanding is that it's only
a part of what's required to stand up
a backup paste service though, isn't it? mind pointing me to the rest of the bits/
a recipe to put it all together? I had this idea that it's saner to replicate at the very least the paste service and
a mirrored wot website. My current understanding of that paster ...
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-29 05:44:04 diana_coman: trinque: is the select thing not working on your blog? I'm trying to select that great "fits in hand" and I can't seem to,
this doesn't do anything.
trinque: bvt: not trying to be
a pedantic dick over here, but it's v that's the boundary around the other stuff, not the other stuff around v
mircea_popescu: neways, as to the burning "OTOH, I wonder if things like Apache or imagemagick get installed, how will the package management system work out, and how comprehensible will system stay?" question -- i see the merit of using the clean spot as
a fixed point to attempt expanding cleanliness. so, it would work by apache becoming tmserv or w/e, and not sucking anymore.
mircea_popescu: "
A feature that I liked
a lot is that shell is the only scripting language in the default install of the distribution. Typically perl and python get pulled in unconditionally as
a build dependency of
a runtime dependency of some rarely-used default-installed utility, or are directly used to implement package manager, etc. With Gales,
a decision about what scripting language to use can be made without constraints created
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo, aite, i might be out for
a few days seeing how it's new year but we shall resume in 2020
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-28 12:21:04 trinque: specifically, if you saw fit to issue
a deed for #trinque , I'd happily accept
diana_coman: trinque: is the select thing not working on your blog? I'm trying to select that great "fits in hand" and I can't seem to,
this doesn't do anything.
trinque: and I'm not even halfway to
a blinking cursor yet
trinque: and jfw, dorion_road, if you don't see the word "Gales" in there, it's because I'm trying to disabuse you of the notion that there's such thing as
a "Gales" which you made, by way of sheer numbers.
trinque: specifically, if you saw fit to issue
a deed for #trinque , I'd happily accept
spyked thinks feedbot should perhaps come with
a "purge" command which deletes pending notifications
deedbot: 2019/12/16 09:33:35 <spyked>
http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-10#1954760 <-- certainly looks like
a spin on greenspun's rule: any system that amasses enough complexity (for some values of "enough", at least) becomes
a contender for the "operating system" label. imho emacs, wp, cltrons all fit in there.
mircea_popescu: this isn't
a complaint -- i don't personally mind evil exists, nor do i believe it shouldn't exist or that its absence would signal any kind of improvement. without evil the world's boring as fuck, which is why idiots asking dumb questions like "how come an infinitely good god has small children raped to death" are fucking stupid. evil is
a better addition to the world than fucking cinema, it'd be way too borning to try
mircea_popescu: and everyone else is stuck somehow reconciling your supposed "great technical acumen" with your apparent incapacity to intellectually function enough to match
a age-adequately developed nine year old slut -- which is incidentally how the elaborate narrative of the naysayers even evoloved over time : the others dealing with the anal child is how anal childhood even gets implanted in heads in the first place.
mircea_popescu: your life becomes
a carousel of
a) identifying partitions upon the world that'll neatly divide it across the line of "this part exposes my dysfunction" / "this part doesn't expose my dysfunction" (definitionally an impossible task) and b) making up stories about how it all works out, or will, or whatever.
mircea_popescu: so listen... while you were away there's been
a lot of progress ongoing in the republic, these guys now have blogs and stick to publishing planning schedules and such wunderbar alien techs. you gonna catch up with the group ?
diana_coman: yeah, he tried there for higher than he realised; had
a talk with him on that.
trinque: I built up one hell of
a suppression machine living where I do.
deedbot: BingoBoingo updated rating of asciilifeform from 10 to 5 << Met in person, have
a server in his rack, time insensitive when airplanes aren't involved
mp_en_viaje: "Sa nu observam diferenta intre practica si teorie, si sa incercam practic o aplicare teoretica
a teoriei in practica.", apparently prennial.
mp_en_viaje: diana_coman, this is
a great beautiful mirror to that "in theory, there's no difference between theory and craptice" ditty : "in principle, there's no difference between right and principled".
mp_en_viaje: honestly #eulora was
a sorta proto-deed castle for chet.
diana_coman: tbh I kept pondering what *should* be in there to start with; on one hand it would make sense to have #trilema + deeded chans really; onth dunno, I'd want #trinque for instance and he hasn't asked for
a deed, so uhm.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-25 13:21:44 hanbot: dorion_road haha, so you met voorhees
in 07 '13 and
this, two months previous, seriously never came up? There's
a truly toxic acquaintance for ya.
hanbot: dorion_road haha, so you met voorhees
in 07 '13 and
this, two months previous, seriously never came up? There's
a truly toxic acquaintance for ya.
mp_en_viaje: to
a certain degree it's rather confusing that your toolbar only shows on index page, i keep thinking i'm on the latest article all the time.
mp_en_viaje: anyway, the latter immediately loads
a kantian context, much like saying "subconscious" loads freudian.
mp_en_viaje: do that ; add to it
a plain statement of your involvement, and we can take it from there.
mp_en_viaje: you're not even
a witness here, to be producing something like say
the smickles affidavit. so far the only way that thing can be classified as is
a letter of credit, i guess ? you're saying i should give mike_c some dough as you think he's good for it ?
mp_en_viaje: the basis for
a claim tuesday can't be
a document signed thursday. even if whoever signs it has the autority, which i dun see how you have here.
BingoBoingo: diana_coman: I apologize for addressing points for the record in
a manner that appears to be addressing them to you specifically.
BingoBoingo: diana_coman: GPG contracts are such that
a case can only be so strong without hallucinating
a denial of the fundamental difference between GPG contracts and fiat contracts.
BingoBoingo: diana_coman: MPEx is built on
GPG contracts upheld voluntarily. Introducing "these GPG contracts must be upheld always and forever no matter the cost as if they were fiat contracts" would be subversion. For that, in representing the claim I can't say "This must be paid no matter what" or other constructions along that line without attacking
a ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-04 22:48:05 Mocky: I fell down
a rabbit hole
mp_en_viaje: i had
a list of these to get to later, now's that later, boy howdy what
a string. apparently this dcu thing's working out.
mp_en_viaje: and that clown alf thought starting
a home business was "suicide mission".
mp_en_viaje: there's
a reason wikitards & redditards & etc waste their days away. that reason might no be, but just as well might have plenty to do with our neglect of running the slut competitions.
mp_en_viaje: back in 1600 samuel pepys never missed
a performance of the duke's company, he really liked mary knep, guess how the fuck he ever got to know she existed.
mp_en_viaje: now don't fucking tell me you didn't understand this is both
a) how human society advances and b) what the fuck we even do here.
mp_en_viaje: is the very simple "we each have these herds of sluts we're competing" basis, upon which donizetti came and offered
a useful tool : "hey guise ? ima write
a piece no human female born out of human female can EVER fucking sing. it'll just be fucking impossible. you can watch them die trying, crash and burtn on the stage, all their natural girly hopes and aspirations and the rest of the coy behaviour debris eviscerated for y
Mocky: trinque: I made
a deposit, please let me know once you've had
a chance to process it
lobbes: Mocky: lol, sounds fun at least. Listen, I owe you
a lunch one of these days (I still feel like
a dick for making you wait that last time). I'll be out of state until January, but if you're free sometime early next year I dun mind making the trek up to your neck of the woods
Mocky: treating me well but I haven't been managing it well. I went
a little overboard trying to earn more money and seeing three chicks at the same time. I exceeded my capacity to manage it.
BingoBoingo: Evening. Mocky I have
a backup of your materials that were hosted at Pizarro.
mp_en_viaje: there's tremendous difference between "i want something like
that but with
a better face" and "i want
a great looking woman that's my 5th grade classmate from back in jr high".
mp_en_viaje: the main thrust of my earlier comments was that it's likely you'll have to moderate your expectations. there's
a humongous difference between what i mean by nice and what i suspect behind your "place-and-period" indication. in approximate math terms, you want something 3 or 4 sigmas away from what i want.
ossabot: Logged on 2017-06-23 13:57:56 trinque: it is factual that the non-pussified mexican culture is
a huge boon for texas.
mp_en_viaje: there was
a chinese man at king louis' court. human reproduction so greatly benefits from
a little bit of exogamy, no human society was ever unporous.
BingoBoingo: The more specifc construction that the US is
a Chinese buying internment camp also seems to work. Kinda the defining struggle of the Trumpreich. Pantsuits and others wholly owned by the Chinese needlessly make noises to impress their captors, Chinese largely indifferent as they can just wait for this little bit of excitement amongst the white worms to pass.
mp_en_viaje: in other lulz, /me surveying thoroughly harvested resource nodes : "damn, how come every time i find
a rare it's 0/5. i should kill all the other players." then, after some reflectiion : "the problem's if i killed them all, who'd then buy all my shit". helpful slavegirl : "maybe you should put them in buying internment camp". /me thinking about it "i guess that's what the us actually is".
mp_en_viaje: it's probably simpler to go help them hang Cecilia Phalen Abbott by her fallopian tubes than to go build yourself
a time machine, on the purely technological standard.
mp_en_viaje: for that matter : by the time the 60s rolled around there were adult tejanos all over texas shaking their head at this elvis greasy, faggoty bs and thinking back to
a greater time in, say, 1890, back when cattle was still speaking spanish and the east coast dudes hadn't really shown up with their idioties, "how to make it all cheap". while in the actual 1890, actual mexicans in texas were looking up through almanacs at the
mp_en_viaje: no joke about the spanyards, either.
Mientras que, bajo el peso del trigo, los ejes cansados los siento quejar, yo, anudando mi pena a esa queja, con cantos y silbos te sé acompañar. is
a fucking thing, which they did. thoroughly, and well -- or if not well, then as well as could be done, for sure.
mp_en_viaje: trinque, i don't expect
1960s tx is reproducible outside of
a hard reset. highly coherent, profoundly skilled workforce in
a complete worldview will absolutely require the conditions that spawned them, and will necessarily dissolve once the solvents show up.
mp_en_viaje: to
a certain degree it depends on one's particular interests. these are fine tuned for my needs
BingoBoingo: mp_en_viaje: Aite, I will draft and enter
a deed.
mp_en_viaje:
a much simpler "x paid me to represent him in deed y via tx z" will go
a lot further than tjhis other stuff you're doing, you know ?
mp_en_viaje: if
a third party claims your client really paid you to subvert the republic rather than work with it, what do you have to say then ?
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-19 10:04:00 BingoBoingo: Per the agreement mike_c has made
a payment to me for my voice in the forum with no provision for any refund to himself. He chose this demonstration after being offered the cheaper alternative of instead sweating out his ammends in the Qntra newsmines
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-19 10:03:44 BingoBoingo: mp_en_viaje: Despite the long absence mike_c has made
a substantial act of submission to the Republican power structure as gated by the Web of Trust. Over time, the bar for demonstrations of submission made by absentees that should have known better... I can only see it rising.
Hence the screw turns clarification on the strategy last night mp_en_viaje has cut his voyage short, and after
a 1200 km haul yest is now in more settled circumstances.
lobbes: BingoBoingo: This makes sense on reflection, as it would seem like pegging things specifically to process is
a dubious path to walk
BingoBoingo: Which outcome in this case leaves
a borader path open for someone's pages to ask Hussein Bahamas eat
a bowl of lumberjack shit in exchange for
a literal coinflip that will determine whether or not the page escalates his plea for
a small mercy to the page's lord?
BingoBoingo: Anyways, we've got this Republic which is sovereign. We've got
a lord of lords in MP. Does not paying mike_c maximize coin that certainly stays inside TMSR, sure. Does not paying mike_c reduce the space in which Lords can credibly extract rents from those who've touched Pantsuit in the past, I very strongly suspect so. If we consider the cause of increasing the power of the Lordship over Pantsuit Delusonists...
BingoBoingo: mike_c agreed to pay substantially for representation along WoT lines. If he gets paid out and retreats forever back to Pantsuit dreamland or gets aggressive... he'll set
a good precedent for closing the window that got him paid for all later comers.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-19 10:03:44 BingoBoingo: mp_en_viaje: Despite the long absence mike_c has made
a substantial act of submission to the Republican power structure as gated by the Web of Trust. Over time, the bar for demonstrations of submission made by absentees that should have known better... I can only see it rising.
Hence the screw turns clarification on the strategy last night diana_coman: BingoBoingo: I really hope this case is not going to be argued on "perceived signals of decision
A vs those of decision B".
BingoBoingo: This is
a republic of men, not laws. The second order effects, benefits or hazards that follow
a decision seem to be of incredible importance.
diana_coman: and moreover I don't think it's signalling that should be
a concern really (in this case or in another).
BingoBoingo: diana_coman: If mike_c doesn't get paid it sends the signal that TMSR doesn't ever deal, following this external relations is difficult because of the "What the hell can
a lord do for me" objection. If mike_c gets paid, TMSR matters, WoT matters, and voice has value as can be demonstrated through the outcome of the case... but the precedent is not sufficiently restrictive so as to prevent future tightening, refusals, etc.
diana_coman: in the case where MPEx does not pay him out, I don't see how he has
a say into what happens to the coin so I fail to see how is that part meaningful; if he wants the coin to be paid to asciilifeform entirely then he can do so once he gets it, no? if he doesn't get it, then he can't say what is to be done with it.
BingoBoingo: diana_coman: If someone comes on
a day after mike_c is paid out by MPEx, I can't imagine this hypothetical next person would receive any offer for voice nearly as cheap as 30 BTC.
BingoBoingo: mike_c gave us what
Daphna Waxman didn't. Sure, Daphna Waxman is salt pork that happens to maybe still be on the hoof. If Daphna Waxman ever shows up... for mike_c's decision to make
a deal... there is
a screw to be turned.
BingoBoingo: There is
a sharp edge facing those who fall of the wrong side of the WoT map. It cleaves.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-17 05:00:55 mp_en_viaje: i get we're basically getting scammed by the duplicitous nature of the lazy, and will be, forever. cuz that's how the world goes, that's how laziness survives as
a survival mechanism in the first place. but i'd much rather we understand each other on the topic, than it just proceed on my authority and then whatever, ten years later it'll be "mp just shouldn't have paid all these asshats" or who the fuck knows what