asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: it is difficult to resist a good ol'fashioned gloves-off flamefest , but i give my word re to not spam your chan ( in fact will be mostly afk for next coupla d. )
asciilifeform: the final output i'ma put on own www, as mp_en_viaje explicitly req'd.
asciilifeform: i did ask earlier for BingoBoingo to put the #p proceedings in #p . imho is where belongs.
asciilifeform: i dun care to read any bullshit later that e.g. asciilifeform put 1 in his back pocket and hid.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: you ordered a full iron inventory of anyffin that may fall under snsa, so it's happening.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i'm trying to establish that all the FG that went to piz, minus 2, are in fact at piz. is all.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: will put. gotta sort out who the FG must go to tho, before can sign on these.
asciilifeform: ( pet (who ate 100% log) to a: 'so, finally '38, he declared you a враг народа, eh' ; a:'aha. i expect transport crate that fits you will be showing up soon; as you know, mp claims ownership of all gurlz, yer gettin' repossessed' p : 'lol' )
asciilifeform: if asciilifeform is 'thief', then what he 'stole' is , i suppose, republic's tech stack. and 'stole' via same mechanism that mp 'steals' gurlz from castratos, i.e. by simply showing up. it aint my fault that asciilifeform's left hand flew circles around errybody else's collective pairs of hands historically.
asciilifeform: while mp_en_viaje prolly intends to try an' paint asciilifeform as a thief, on top of charlatan, i've no intention of making ~that~ job easy for him.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i'ma put this in the signed statement, but 2 of the fg here belong, presently, to piz. the rest (in fact factory tailings that were never on the official books) -- to mp. and ideally he'll say where he wants'em mailed, when properly proclaims liquidation.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: by all means make exact count plz.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: we retrofitted FG into trinque's also, but he paid for those. so only open his if he requests.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i'ma post a similar photocatalogue later today of the small inventory here. and sign the text description.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the 1 missing item is the pile of FGs not inside machines.
asciilifeform will bbl; will process BingoBoingo's item after tea.
asciilifeform: trinque i rec to print out this log and reread it at your own tribunal. which will come ifnot this april, then next april, or whenever mp_en_viaje decides to rip off yer epaulettes for not coming up with 'biz plan' where you live on threepence/day to rewrite deedbot in php.
asciilifeform: trinque: let's have yours. did asciilifeform sabotage your products ? contaminated w/ charlatanry ?
asciilifeform: ( vs a ' mp_en_viaje proclaimed damnatio memoriae , and we'll all follow along like automata ' )
asciilifeform: trinque: why would i bother to expand, if 'had contempt' ? i entirely respect the l1. which is why would like a proper, well-reasoned bullet from each remaining lord.
asciilifeform: again w/ the psychobabbles. as if i've any need to 'excuses'. i'm speaking strictly to spell out the logical implications of what mp_en_viaje said, for the thick. ( and incidentally i dun disagree w/ him, if you want to be rid not only of asciilifeform but of his ghost, you gotta rewrite it all in php, cpp, on microshit... )
asciilifeform: trinque: where's the line where asciilifeform blames mp_en_viaje ( or trinque , et al ) for an item that aint done ?
asciilifeform: trinque: if you like. ( this, i learned from the master. )
asciilifeform: trinque: you think mp_en_viaje needs echoes, 'yes men' ? fella knows what he wants. ( what wants, is to somehow have working tech, while cutting off own hands. incidentally yer prolly next hand to be cut. )
asciilifeform: diana_coman: my observation is that mp_en_viaje set up ~circular~ firing squad, that is sure to continue after asciilifeform properly drummed out.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i aint interested in a 'hiding place', but a proper firing squad. in case wasn't clear.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: rright, folx going about not only using vtron, but teaching entire university course on it, while ignoring the basic logical consistency of 'i signed, i am equally responsible' aint none of my concern, aite.
asciilifeform: same goes for the trb users. (wai they not 'went over with comb' ~before~ ? it's what signing means. 'i understand what i'm signing.' )
asciilifeform: diana_coman: you in fact read & signed the patches of all items i touched that were put to use in smg. so per mp_en_viaje's philosophy, that makes you equal to the orig author. if the item you signed indeed was product of artful sabotage, you an' i are equally answerable .
asciilifeform: aite, diana_coman : let's then at you. did asciilifeform hypnotize you into 'wrecking' smg product ?
asciilifeform: diana_coman: aimed at the whole l1, not you in particular. tho if shoe fits, can wear , if you want.
asciilifeform: i fully expect that the folx for whom turd turns to sausage when it is decreed from throne in 100% grammatical latin, will carry on their php rewrites, cpp rewrites, etc. w/out skipping a beat. i have nfi what they even went to 'reflect' about.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: but of course. 7y+ waste of pixels, obv. so let's then settle all the objectively unfinished biz ( trinque where is tx 5e2b91f003f4af577244005ee0fd57701a03abeae76323716d06eb71f49b7837 ? ) and be done.
asciilifeform: if possible i'd like to collect all the due -10 bullets from the firing squad which 'went to reflect' 1st. but this is purely asciilifeform's aesthetic pref, obv. not necessarily will be followed. 'let those w/out sin throw 1st stone.'
asciilifeform: this is spelled out in asciilifeform's resignation, which ( as mp_en_viaje 'can't be arsed to larp!11' ) i'ma drop into deedbot when the tx clears and BB returns photos etc.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-30#1948815 << ftr ~asciilifeform~ likes his 7o of works just fine. and will continue to make'em available, and developed, in the obvious place. (for whom? for folx who get tired of 'php republic'; for folx who stuck b/w mp_en_viaje's hammer and anvil , having to actually make the systems go, while elaborately pretending to do it with properly blessed 'aryan physics' ; or for no one at al
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: actually i disagree that it's unpleasant. i fully expected you'd stall for weeks. but much better to have the firing squad when ready, and not when 'weeks of reflection', this is sumthing i think sovok got right
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-30#1948740 << right, the only trooly intentional act is to sit in cafe and smoke cigar made of benjies. whereas to try an' sew some sorta usable purse outta 30 yrs of 'tech market' sow's ear , is what furniture does. ( at least mp_en_viaje is 100% consistent with his greeks, aristotle would sign under this. 'kings -- intention, while work is what livestock does' .)
asciilifeform: ( it aint clear for what mp_en_viaje wants'em, aside from outta spite, if they're a work of sabotage; but it aint my place to ask )
asciilifeform: asciilifeform for instance is aboutta put'em back into production. ( mp_en_viaje asked to repossess whole current stock, which he'll get, when posts where he wants'em to go ; and so happens that i'ma need new ones. )
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-30#1948752 << y'know, it's a 100% published item -- anyone whose hands grow from torso, and not arse, and at very small expense, can make his own fg. ( but do you ~want~ to, what if 'poisoned offering' , and whole idea of 'need trng' is saboteur heresy ? )
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-30#1948771 << the 6mo i spent in '15 figuring out how to perma-remove poettering from gentoo, apparently not count. ( tho, for consistency: gentoo per se is , turns out, hypnotic scam perpetrated by asciilifeform , there's a perfectly fine!111 os you can buy from redmond, no evil craftsmen required to maintain )
asciilifeform: personally i recommend replacement article 'asclepius'. (like 'bering straight' went instead of beria.)
asciilifeform: indeed i expect mp_en_viaje is very busy nao, what with mailing out razor blades an' page #s where asciilifeform has to be cut outta the great soviet encyclopaedia.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i can't resist to ask, why did mp_en_viaje not yet accept asciilifeform's resignation ?
asciilifeform: i dun even grasp, mp_en_viaje , why mp_en_viaje et al are in 'omfg wat-do' mode. the Right Thing to do , per mp_en_viaje's handbook, and all written tradition, is ~exactly~ this.
asciilifeform: if asciilifeform in fact hypnotized people into taking up his charlatanry, then the Right Thing is a '-10 : effectively scammed me for 7y out of grip of realty' from erryone who agrees.
asciilifeform: or, even simpler, go straight to microshit, they've a ready-made stack for errything, incl. crypto, with absolutely 0 asciilifeform 'worm shite' in it.
asciilifeform: so, it happens that i agree 100% with mp_en_viaje's 'wat-do' -- yes, throw out the poisoned offerings. all of'em. go to stone age circa 2013, remake yer tech stack w/ own steam ( and remember to properly steal the asciilifeform creations you can't actually do without, pick a designated aryan to assign credit. )
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i dun have kilometre of buffer, maybe half dozen moar. ( atm waiting for walletron refill tx to get mined so i can settle invoice , and BingoBoingo to post photos for final manifest. )
asciilifeform: 'overloaded the trains to wear out the rails of our motherland'(tm)(r).
asciilifeform: pretty great 1938 sovok trial going here. ( tho for some reason mp, in role of andrey vyshinsky, forgot to unplug asciilifeform's microphone ? and process the confession ? )
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: meanwhile ( per tradition of asciilifeform's homeworld ) here is my resignation. mp_en_viaje can unseal if he wishes, or wait until march or whatever fits his aesthetics.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i expect to sign the final inventory today, after BingoBoingo cuts my seals and inspects the inside of the 'dulap's.
asciilifeform: aite. when BingoBoingo returns w/ his count, will talk.
asciilifeform: fwiw mp_en_viaje made it quite clear in june '19 that he intends to close snsa. and this was part of the reason why i set up private rack, it will host phuctor in-exile, asciilifeform's www, and anyone else who has the courage and dun insist on marionette control of the entire thing simply as condition of hosting a box or 2.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i'm hosting a demo box for diana_coman , so it aint purely 'your' .
asciilifeform: last i knew, she agreed on the price and was intending to pay.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: if you intend to fatwa all properly orthodox folx from subscribing, plox to let diana_coman know, give her time to find new blog host.
asciilifeform: re 'play dc', asciilifeform's 'evil, useless dc' will be there 1y, 2y, from nao. and open to anyone of asciilifeform's l1 who wants, even mp_en_viaje.
asciilifeform: something i've no objection to, the gear belongs to the people to whom it belongs.
asciilifeform: inventories of old gear, i thought, is what we were talking about.
asciilifeform: also i hate to piss on mp_en_viaje's freudian parade, but i haven't got 'self image' or whatever other nonsense phlogistons tlp et al persuaded mp_en_viaje of existing.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: the only missing piece is BingoBoingo's count of the items currently in his flat. after it matches mine, will sign.
asciilifeform: i am unable to physically count objects in uy from desk.
asciilifeform: anyways after BingoBoingo counts , i'ma post signed text where mp_en_viaje asked, so long as he gives his word that will actually read it.
asciilifeform: asciilifeform worx 14h+ days. mp_en_viaje sits in cabaret and smokes 100$ bills. but somehow the former is 'avatar of lazy', eh.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: plox to gen an' sign that addr. otherwise if there aint a hole into which asciilifeform can pay, i suspect even the still-hypnotized folx won't buy then 'ran off!111' .
asciilifeform: ts it renamed ) , all other asciilifeform agenda items will continue even if errybody joins in the firing squad.
asciilifeform: moar alive nao than ever. as for mp_en_viaje , plox to post the signed addr. piz liquidators, plox to take proceedings to #p. folx who intend to continue to crib off asciilifeform's work, which continues, or want functioning hosting : to #a. (which i'ma take is no longer official mp castle, i'ma take off the sign shortly.) next gen of FG will still be produced, on asciilifeform's dime ( and i'ma respect mp_en_viaje's wishes if he wan
asciilifeform: as for this -- can read nao, or never, or year later, will still be there, when asciilifeform operating the only 'gossip' hosting backbone-sitting isp, and mp_en_viaje excommunicated 5 moar people for failing to lay atlantic fibers for him, and still has none.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: also plox to generate an addr where you want it, and sign. ( i dunno if will be able to operate deedbot after we're through and asciilifeform is unplugged in #t. )
asciilifeform: that being said, let's make it faster , iirc mp_en_viaje valued the snsa gear at piz at 0.9. invoice asciilifeform for 0.9, i'm already warming up cold wallet to pay mp_en_viaje the earlier 0.3 invoice .
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: explain what diff it oughta make to asciilifeform whether gets fraudulent '-10 : ran off with the gear' or '-10 : ferrocranium refused to go on isp suicide mission' from mp_en_viaje ?
