BingoBoingo: The weight is necessary, because alcohol is a substance
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BingoBoingo: It's physical properties preclude it from being as snortable as say... cocaine and heroin... because it takes quite a bit of alcohol by mass to induce the desired effect.
mircea_popescu: moiety i wonder if there's any money in "famous star queefs"
BingoBoingo: Spz an one ounce shot of vodka, which is ~32 grams... That's about 10 grams of ETOH plus binders to get up the nose
BingoBoingo: Once the binders are accounted for that's probably still in the end 32 grams just to take a shot of vodka nasally.
joecool: i assume insufflation of alcohol would be a bad time, does it even matter to bulk it up?
joecool: i would guess it would burn and end up with instant bloody nose if you tried
moiety: lol mircea_popescu i'd imagine some celebrities would be cheaper and more supply than others, like lindsay lohan compared to lisa kudrow for example
BingoBoingo: joecool: Well the bulk is necessary to render it a powder
mircea_popescu: moiety i wonder if portia de rossi cuntair would go for more than lisa kudrwo cunt air
joecool: BingoBoingo: what are they using as a bulking agent, dextrose?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo one chick i knew was on a half bottle of white wine anally pre-going to town diet for a while.
BingoBoingo: joecool: Older attempts indeed used dextrose along with some heavier carbohydrates. Probably the same or similar here
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Indeed. That route of administration has a reputation for efficiency
moiety: mircea_popescu: i think it would, she wins on the exotic front
moiety: oh i was getting portia totally mixed up... but i stand by my yes
moiety: i was thinking of Isabella Rossellini
moiety: ah its nice to be back lol
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33781 @ 0.00096334 = 32.5426 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: I wonder how much some Maya Angelou or Angela Merkel would go for.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 60 @ 0.0048 = 0.288 BTC [+]
moiety: these need to be on the rare whiffs section BingoBoingo
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28900 @ 0.0009568 = 27.6515 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo: moiety: Naturally, but definitely not on the discount whiffs.
ThickAsThieves: "A massive computer failure at the US Executive Office for Immigration Review (EOIR) is reportedly wreaking havoc on US immigration courts, with application outages continuing well into their second week."
ThickAsThieves: i'm embarassed to wear them around the house, nevermind in public
ThickAsThieves: they had that one day where anyone could buy a Google Glass, that was probably them cashing out
BingoBoingo: I think that is all of the endorsement Google Glass needs. Abandoned faster than NeoBBQ
moiety: it's funny what's said about glass at coachella, when there was a giant snail going about filming everything
assbot: Voicing alexsanjose for 30 minutes.
kakobrekla: hi alexsanjose , you may type in this box
alexsanjose: your user name is way better than mine btw
ozbot: Twitter / BrendanKutyNJ: #RedSox fan mocking #yankees ...
kakobrekla: lol, thanks but yours isnt bad either!
BingoBoingo: alexsanjose: He's had more time to practice his username
kakobrekla: so if i get this correctly you want to speak with mircea_popescu
kakobrekla: well hopefully he pops back in soon enough
alexsanjose: would there be a way to sked a chat in here?
kakobrekla: alexsanjose , IRC is not always a real time thing, but once you get the conversation going its the best way to go
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I had a suspicion you'd be the first person to bring the c-word into this
kakobrekla: yes but in his internal clock that is like 6 pm.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Your general technical curiosity would lead you to find it if you hadn't had it already
alexsanjose: hmm its nearly 8 pm here. perhaps i should try back tomorrow morning
alexsanjose: if i can figure out how to log back in with my crappy user name :)
kakobrekla: alexsanjose at least we got you talking
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Seems the impetus is novelty sales.
alexsanjose: pretty soon i ll be commenting openly on solid ethanol
kakobrekla: hopefully someone will voice you when you rejoin
kakobrekla: if not, try to bug someone on private (usually you can open a private window by doublecliking on the nickname)
BingoBoingo: Thankfully ETOH troche's already exist (Jello Shots in the vulgate)
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo prolly has a pantryfull of golda meir stashed away.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i have powers. atm, watch me ping pong with my alex alt to troll kako.
BingoBoingo: I keep the Golda Meir next to Menachem Begin's cunny wafts
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mircea_popescu: "It is about time to abolish the immoral institution of `Anonymous Referee'. Even in the paper era, with its paper-mentality elitism, it was superfluous. A paper is either worth publishing or not. If it is not, you should have the guts to say it out loud, and if you are right, the author should thank you for saving him or her embarrassment."
gribble: Nick 'thestringpuller', with hostmask 'thestringpuller!~leflor@99-39-97-12.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net', is not identified.
mircea_popescu: is it good or bad when one reminds of show characters ?
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller yes, if gribble blinks. i was in that situation earier today
BingoBoingo: Given the number of shit shows and shit characters, the default assumption probably ought to be negative, but there is probably a positive bias because these things tend to happen on the basic that the characters were memorable
thestringpuller: since rick is probably what I'd want to be if I were a grandpa
BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: Why aren't you a grandpa?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18600 @ 0.00096019 = 17.8595 BTC [+]
assbot: Voicing alexsanjose for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: we just need to engineer him a blue eyed, goldilocks'd ballerina
mircea_popescu: i like 3 cartoon shows, cow and chicken, animaniacs and dexter's lab.
BingoBoingo: alexsanjose: most people here don't keep close to regular hours
mircea_popescu: TestingUnoDosTre well... maybe it's late where you are ? :D
alexsanjose: so, i guess to start i was wondering if you could tell me what your role is w BitBet
TestingUnoDosTre: whyd you say "watch me ping pong with my alex alt to troll kako" ?
ozbot: S.BBET last 357@0.00055999
BingoBoingo: The contract is on the MPEx page for the security
mircea_popescu: TestingUnoDosTre yes, but I WAS TROLLING KAKO when i said that.
BingoBoingo: alexsanjose: Where did you first hear about BitBet?
alexsanjose: I saw it on a website that was evaluating bitcoin gambling sites
alexsanjose: so, mircea_popescu, what drove u and your cofounder to set up bitbet
mircea_popescu: "He’s ostentatious – he once folded up paper airplanes made of money and threw them from Vkontakte office windows."
mircea_popescu: this is supposed to be ostentatious ? since when is russian paper worth anything ?
mircea_popescu: you're missing a lot of history. at the time i made mpex, there existed a "competitor", glbse. it was basically a scam, and has meanwhile died
mircea_popescu: at the time we made bitbet, there also existed a "competitor", i forget the exact thing
alexsanjose: but what made you decide in jan 2013 that this would be a good business to get into?
BingoBoingo: alexsanjose: The erstwhile competitor to BitBet was betsofbitco.in (Operator has since disappeared)
mircea_popescu: alexsanjose i don't do business per se. i tend to provide critical infrastructure pieces for bitcoin finance is all.
alexsanjose: but when u earn 1.19395524 BTC in March, a portion goes to shareholders, a portion to operations and a portion to u no?
mircea_popescu: i'm also worth a few million atc, i guess, which is a similar problem. what sort of business opportunity did i see there ?
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alexsanjose: so i read the faq on the website, but can you walk me thru placing a bet?
mircea_popescu: well because without bitcoin you don't exist. also because you need it to bet on bitbet.
assbot: Voicing btclovernick for 30 minutes.
BingoBoingo: Currency died in the 1970's it is all about assets nao
mircea_popescu: btclovernick well had you been here asking earlier it could have been perhaps averted
BingoBoingo: btclovernick: Because Bitstamp fractional reserve
alexsanjose: i was just surprised because i know the sites i m familiar with require custoemrs to set up an account
mircea_popescu: alexsanjose that'd be part of the great power of bitcoin. you don't need accounts.
BingoBoingo: alexsanjose: They way Bitbet works is everything is tied to addresses
BingoBoingo: Instead of accounts everything is merely a ledger balance, forced into the right place
BingoBoingo: Through a respect for the immutability of actual history
assbot: Voicing alexsanjose for 30 minutes.
alexsanjose: so if i bet that obama is going to say bitcoin before 2015
alexsanjose: it costs me 0.22 BTC if i want to bet yes?
BingoBoingo: alexsanjose: You can place any amount. It may be easier if you go through the process of placing a position on BitBet. I can give/lend you a balance to do this depending on your agency's ethic's rules.
alexsanjose: prolly some sort of ethics violation there. i ll ask tho
alexsanjose: and the odds below lay out your earnings should u win
alexsanjose: ie, if u bet 1 btc, and obama says it before jan 2015, you get 1.24683344 BTC
BingoBoingo: The thing is mutual betting so it is pile of money and weight versus other pile of money and weight.
BingoBoingo: To guarentee odds you may need to place multiple bets.
alexsanjose: the odds shift as the numbers of players and amounts of bets shifts the balance on either side?
BingoBoingo: And bets are committed until the bet's resolution.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: And that is what decay's sanity. Not the stress, but the roundworms
alexsanjose: but on the mechanics of it, kust to be simple, assuming the odds dont change -- i put in 1 btc and get out 1.24 if i win
alexsanjose: if i lose i lose the entire 1 btc i bet, correct?
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BingoBoingo: If you win though, it really depends on what happens to the pot after you place your bet. You could win more or less.
alexsanjose: its february, 2015. obama has overlooked a growing trend and failed to mention those two syllables -- i lose 100 pct of the bet i placed, no?
BingoBoingo: If you lose you lose. That part is simple. Winning is the complicated part.
mircea_popescu: TestingUnoDosTre bounce artifexd mike_c and the rest of the supermath python gurus : maybe write a script that takes a bet and spits out the moving odds as the bets come in ?
BingoBoingo: If you don't parse it someone from it can for you.
alexsanjose: and does that account for 100 pct of the profit?
artifexd: Is there a feed or would I have to continually poll?
ozbot: BitBet - An ASIC unit from either BFL, Avalon or BTCFPGA will ship before Feb 1st.
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artifexd: Hey, look at that. There's even a twitter feed that I can pull from.
mircea_popescu: artifexd better pull from the feeds tho. kakobrekla what were the feeds again /
alexsanjose: so what is the breakdown on profit -- rake v advertising?
mircea_popescu: alexsanjose you know it's in the reports, there's a special line for advertising
alexsanjose: cape verdean creole is like simplified portuguese - mo ki bu sta?
BingoBoingo: much of the profit comes from infrequent, but increasingly frequent massive bets
alexsanjose: and where do the bets come from? is that something you guys come up w ?
kakobrekla: artifexd rss feeds are linked on right side, if that is what you need
artifexd: I want something more push-y than pull-y
mircea_popescu: alexsanjose are you just in love with some native speaker ?
alexsanjose: no its just interesting. for english speakers romance languages sorta open your world view when they teach u subjunctive and then the african languages is like a whol different kettle of fish
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo you know it occurs to me it's probably like a particular cognitive skill, being able to follow irc convos. "disentagle a skein of thought" as the expression went.
alexsanjose: for example there is a way to say "my" when u mean "myhusband" and a different "my" for "my bitcoin wallet" cuz humans matter more
alexsanjose: haha! and do u deliberately try to space out the bets so a tricle of them are coming due every week month etc?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Of course it is. And the best practice for this is plato when he is modeling a drunk crowd in the dialogues.
BingoBoingo: alexsanjose: They really can't. Even mircea_popescu can't affect when the world series ends.
alexsanjose: BingoBoingo, do u mind if i ask u what your role is w bitbet since u re kindly asnwering a bunch of my qs?
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla your bitcoin wallet thanks you for your loyalty.
BingoBoingo: alexsanjose: I bet there and I submit bets to there. More than half of my submitted bets have been rejected. I' a regualr in this channel though.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39970 @ 0.00095715 = 38.2573 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo: Also, I'm kind drunk. Lemme quantify real quick.
alexsanjose: was just there covering elections but back in mexico city
BingoBoingo: Thanks to Overstock.com replacing Roger Ver as used electronics Bitcoin Jesus I am kinda confident I am BAC 0.257 drunk
mircea_popescu: anyway, spent some time in san jose, originally landed there planing to stay a week, ended up staying like 3 years.
BingoBoingo: alexsanjose: Because MP, kakobrekla and MP's slavegirls don't think it is interesting is the big rejection reason
mircea_popescu: alexsanjose bets as in propositions get rejected, because not everything can be bet on. see the faq on bitbet, it details it.
kakobrekla: BingoBoingo i dont partake in that ordeal
ozbot: BitBet - NPDA College Debate Championship 2013 - McKendree College to win
alexsanjose: ah rejected possible topics bets! i thot u meant that if someone wants to bet too little money their bet was rejected
BingoBoingo: Even the pettiest shit is betable if you can guarentee a starting stake
mircea_popescu: because of bitcoin mining fees however, it's not really worth it to bet under 0.00005 or w/e
alexsanjose: is it possible for u to win and have no net gain? like so many humans take the same side as u and no one opposes and so u all just get back what u put in?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo btw, for your info it's chi not cha che etc
mircea_popescu: alexsanjose yes, it's possible. also discussed in the faq.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well, somethings are hard to pick up from sound.
mircea_popescu: generally happens when people bet very late on a widely dominating side.
mircea_popescu: say a bet started today ending next month with a 10:1 spread, you bet in 3 weeks on the 10 side.
alexsanjose: so -- apols if this is out there -- but i see monthly profits. DO u have annual for 2013?
mircea_popescu: yeah, is reuters small enough by now you know emily flitter ?
BingoBoingo: ;;google site:bitcoin-assets.com ReutersEmily
alexsanjose: is there a way to estimate that if folks dont have their own accounts?
BingoBoingo: What do you mean not have their own accounts?
BingoBoingo: There are a lot of ways this assumption could fork
assbot: Voicing alexsanjose for 30 minutes.
kakobrekla: incidentally i already linked her that.
assbot: Voicing benkay for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla because you see it's a different my when you talk about bitcoin wallets than persons.
mircea_popescu: alexsanjose seriously, someone over at reuters has to eventually figure out how to create a gpg key, reg it with gribble, get in the wot.
BingoBoingo: benkay: All of your thoughts on BitBet on demanded nao!
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: THe alternative is we switch allegiances to AP
benkay: i'm writing an email, assholes
BingoBoingo: Well benkay Maybe you ought to take your tongue out of fluffypony's wife's asshole
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Honesly I dun remember an AP guy
alexsanjose: but here s my question -- so if i can go on, without registering, logging into an account --
mircea_popescu consults his wall markings. two wired, one forbes one bi, one ap etc
alexsanjose: can u track all those bets to the same user
alexsanjose: ie do u have accurate figures on how many active users u have
mircea_popescu: not really. we don't even bother keeping analytics, so.
mircea_popescu: it's certainly more than a dozen cause at least a dozen diff people here bugged me abouyt it
BingoBoingo: alexsanjose: If they go off of addresses alone I am 20 some users. If they narrow things down based on shit talking I am 2-3 users
kakobrekla: alexsanjose the things we can measure, we measure and publish, see numbers in the footer on bitbet
mircea_popescu: alexsanjose bitcoin is fungible. bitbet did 15k btc in total bets or so
alexsanjose: 15k btc in total bets -- from jan 2013 to march 2014?
mircea_popescu: incidentallyt, there've been a total of about 10k bets, so that's an upper bound
mircea_popescu: we couldn't possibly have more than 10k diofferent users.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile, that means that the AVERAGE bet is like 1.5 btc,
alexsanjose: so 10,000 bets, of 15,000 btc in a little over a year
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22131 @ 0.00095513 = 21.138 BTC [-] {2}
alexsanjose: one becomes a journalist bc one is bad at it
moiety: benkay: i hope it's a gpg email
BingoBoingo: alexsanjose: If your are a shitty journalist it isn't because journalists are shit. It is because you chose Columbia over Mizzou.
alexsanjose: beats the sands for higher average bet u mean
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12267 @ 0.00095186 = 11.6765 BTC [-]
alexsanjose: and how many employees do u have on just the bitbet end?
mircea_popescu: bitcoin betting. it really is killing the margins for irl betting.
mircea_popescu: well, if it ever is disclosed, you'll be the first to know.
benkay: ho a leak promise from mp
BingoBoingo: alexsanjose: I dun have an official account, but at least 3. mircea_popescu kakobrekla and the secret mod or mods
ThickAsThieves: i cant pass up an opportunity to push Schrodinger's BitBet, thx testing124
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 2 @ 0.14 = 0.28 BTC
mircea_popescu: TestingUnoDosTre wouldja consider getting a better nick ?
alexsanjose: like the undisclosed number of humans that work for bitbet and the servers
BingoBoingo: alexsanjose: What beat do you usually cover?
alexsanjose: i cover economics and markets if i cant help it in mexico
BingoBoingo: alexsanjose: I severely doubt a count of server personel will happen. Hasn't happened for MPEx. Hasn't happened for S.NSA
mircea_popescu: alexsanjose it's like this. the way locations normally works is that it doesn't need people, but people need it. and so people make offers to location.
mircea_popescu: bitbet however needs a location like i need a pair of horns. location however does need bitbet, and business generally.
mircea_popescu: so... waiting for location to get its head out of its ass, realise that the tables have turned and start making offers.
alexsanjose: i get that cyber shizel makes some of these considerations less relevant
gribble: evoorhees was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 39 weeks, 6 days, 2 hours, 32 minutes, and 30 seconds ago: <evoorhees> I need to go for now, on later
BingoBoingo: alexsanjose: And that is how I scooped the whole press on the OpenBSD story
alexsanjose: u should come over to the dark side BingoBoingo
alexsanjose: Boingo is a decent juice maker down here incidentally
mircea_popescu: the lyf and times of the luddite journalist. 1. find webchat. 2. 500 pages of 500 words each avalanche. 3. profit ? 4. burial.
assbot: Voicing Neil for 30 minutes.
BingoBoingo: I might happily have an opinon column for the right price, if you buy out my mystery sponsor's share
alexsanjose: <+mircea_popescu> can u at least confirm u re licensed in CR?
BingoBoingo: I'll have to do the BAC after this cigarette again
mircea_popescu: are you licensed to operate an online nuclear powerplant ?
alexsanjose: because i can t really write the story unless i can tie it somehow to the region i cover
BingoBoingo: TestingUnoDosTre: Hisghest BAC I've hit on the overstock.com breathalizer is 0.67 while lucid
BingoBoingo: Not only better school, better college town
mircea_popescu: alexsanjose you can tell your editor i said he's doing himself way more favours running stories about me than the reverse.
alexsanjose: look, u have important privacy concerns which i can only begin to imagine.
TestingUnoDosTre: now what was this talk about writing a program that can parse through bets?
alexsanjose: but i also have to talk to a company that has something there -- a call center, a server, a license
BingoBoingo: TestingUnoDosTre: That isn't how university names work
mircea_popescu: alexsanjose it might have escaped your notice, but bitbet is not a company, it's a mpex corporation.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5217657 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: alexsanjose: Class it as a UK story. They operate in the UTC +-0 time zone
alexsanjose: if only i could write "dateline cyberspace"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 105 @ 0.00481852 = 0.5059 BTC [+] {3}
ThickAsThieves: bitbet has no more relevance to Mexico than any other country
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves i dare not think they perhaps haven't reported on heartbleed yet, because well...
ThickAsThieves: maybe the relevance is competition to mexican casinos or something
BingoBoingo: alexsanjose: They resolve bets on Greenwich time
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo are you like trying to become tucker max or something ?
mod6: haha, im gonna set my watch to 0 GMT
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: This isn't even near the usual buzz I have here
mircea_popescu: btw, if anyone knows of that schmuck since his days of derping about being amusing,
moiety: i have a browser bar addon with all my clocks running along it
assbot: Voicing alexsanjose for 30 minutes.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Didn't he pay the Kentucky Basketball coach to be his bitch for lunch and a game?
mircea_popescu: alexsanjose this was a while back, i was still retired back then. mostly i did girls
assbot: Voicing benkay for 30 minutes.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: It was last week's story. No OpenBSD guns of liberty or anything like that.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo anyway, dude's now.... an investment adviser.
mircea_popescu: he has like... opinions and shit. about like, laws. and is excited. about like... companies. well, "companies".
BingoBoingo: It is all nothing compared to my running the largest Altcoin denominated trading fund.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.032 = 0.128 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: Eh, it would totally die if someone used 20 BTC to set a new baseline for ATC at 300 satoshis per
alexsanjose: so some industry stat questions -- a lotta stories say half of bitcoin transactions are online gambling related --
mircea_popescu: alexsanjose prolly satoshidice, a mpex corp, meanwhile retired.
BingoBoingo: alexsanjose: Most of that data is last year's when SatoshiDice was a thing
assbot: Just-Dice stat: 16289 BTC profit, 35.4k BTC invested, 1083.43 mio bets, 5.19 mio BTC wagered
BingoBoingo: alexsanjose: That number hasn't been reliable since about July
alexsanjose: ugh. any thots on getting an updated figure?
BingoBoingo: Not really, not without a soldering iron and patience
alexsanjose: another one -- what about an estimate on the number of online gambling operations in bitcoin
alexsanjose: of the percent of bitcoin transactions that are for gambling
BingoBoingo: alexsanjose: Best part of Mizzou. I had a grad assistanship with the Pharmacy School through UMKC.
mircea_popescu: alexsanjose other than jd and bitbet there's not that many worth the mention.
assbot: Just-Dice stat: 16289 BTC profit, 35.4k BTC invested, 1083.44 mio bets, 5.19 mio BTC wagered
BingoBoingo: alexsanjose: There are a number of questionable line betting operations.
alexsanjose: coinbet? cloudbet strkesapphire seals w clubs
ThickAsThieves: there are a fair quantity of sites, but probly not much volume
mircea_popescu: didn't seals die an ignoble death after it lost its db or something ?
BingoBoingo: alexsanjose: I play with cloudbet. I fear it might face the same bet as its line betting predecessors in the space.
BingoBoingo: alexsanjose: Sealswith Clubs used to rock, then they got hacked and everyone fled
mircea_popescu: alexsanjose you're roughly in the position of someone asking how many websites there are on the internet. it's by and large a meaningless measure of nothing in particular.
ThickAsThieves: it's where nerds that are too nerdy for the smart nerds play
alexsanjose: i understand but these are the things editors yearn for
BingoBoingo: ThickAsThieves: You been to seals recently, it is just bots and sad
mircea_popescu: alexsanjose alright, there's 128 btc gambling websites.
alexsanjose: which brings me to my next unknowable question -- the value of the industry
BingoBoingo: ThickAsThieves: It was pretty awesome this time last year.
benkay: moiety: simply telling someone's boss that i was going to reject the man's code and would the following advice be welcome?
benkay: (ask a stupid question, alexsanjose, get a stupid answer)
BingoBoingo: alexsanjose: If you want to know what sealswithclubspoker was like over the last year I have a GPG key with email address on my blog.
BingoBoingo: Also if you want to know about traditional sports betting books in BTC I have lots of details on that
BingoBoingo: alexsanjose: Fine, I'm in southern Illinois, close enough?
alexsanjose: a question i forgot from earlier that i think i know the answer to -- mp -- u have no way of tracking where your customers are or who they are
moiety: benkay, please tell me what response you get?
benkay: another good question would be "which are the important ones and why do they matter?"
alexsanjose: do you have a sense of where many are set up
benkay: moiety: "I don’t think you could make the suggestions friendly enough not to make it seem like a big middle finger.:
alexsanjose: (i get your prior point abt locations being interchangeable)
benkay: this for the record is why american management sucks.
benkay: no stones to tell people to redo their work
alexsanjose: but i m wondering if the bitcoin gambling sites flock to the same plays where vanilla online gambling was big
benkay: no expectation that people can take criticism
alexsanjose: i ve heard of the internets. i think al gore made them
BingoBoingo: The thing is this year this is an English language story. In five years this will eaither be a Spanish or Chinese language story.
mircea_popescu: alexsanjose i doubt anything useful can be said on the topic of whether bitcoin gambling geographically concentrates like casino gambling.
mircea_popescu: Nov 29 04:07:23 <firstblockchain>Trying to find people with rentable / purchasable land in Costa Rica who are bitcoin friendly. Want to set up a few solar powered yurts, wire up with some good internet, plant some tubers and coffee and operate from there. Going to be a pain to ship my roaster there from indonesia though... <<< this guy too.
moiety: benkay: why does he need friendly if he wants his business to work?
moiety is far too nosy benkay sorry
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alexsanjose: do you bitcoin gamlbing will be found by courts to run afoul of it?
BingoBoingo: Yeah, more an evoorhes thing apparently is the cover
mircea_popescu: the point being, everyone's welcome to imagine they matter.
BingoBoingo: Everyone is equally welcome to give a cock a taste provided a lack of mouth sores
alexsanjose: well if u could win on this argument -- It is our considered opinion that Bitcoin does not constitute either “Money” as discussed in the second reference nor does a purchase of a Bitcoin denominated virtual security such as offered on MPEx constitute “the placing of capital or laying out of money” as discussed in the first reference.
mircea_popescu: you're not in any sense qualified to discuss matters of law, are you ?
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alexsanjose: i dont have a law degree. i did cover the CFTC for a while
alexsanjose: do u see bitcoin gambling spreading? despite the regulatory push in the US and people s fears about volatility etc?
TestingUnoDosTre: speaking of which, that oil futures bet is really delicious looking. too pansy to bet on a side though :(
alexsanjose: i m almost done, apols for having taken up so much of your time
mircea_popescu: alexsanjose i don't imagine the usg is any sort of actor in this discussion.
mircea_popescu: other than that, quite impossible to call trends. maybe it's growing.
ozbot: Scotty Doesn't Know - YouTube
ThickAsThieves: itd probably grow in some proportion to bitcoin's growth
mircea_popescu: people who gamble wouldn't conceivably be much deterredf by the risk that their payoff is multiplied or divided randomly.
mircea_popescu: but this is all speculation, and not too well grounded.
ThickAsThieves: i agree though ive seen recent articles disagreeing with that mp
ThickAsThieves: like bitcoin gambling is somehow doomed due to its volatility
BingoBoingo: This is exactly the difference between NeoBBQ and actual returns
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mircea_popescu: one question lingers. did you lie earlier when you claimed you can't do the article unless it's somehow related to... costa rica (?!) ? one'd have expected your interest to die there, were that factual.
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mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves i dunno what sense that makes. so you play blackjack in tokens, and they have a random value each day. this deters you from playing blackjack ?
ThickAsThieves: she's a journalist, she's good at making shit up by now
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alexsanjose: if it s happening there, i need to bring in that element
alexsanjose: do u think that online bitcoin gambling has benefitted from the troubles regular online gambling outfits have faced -with paymnet systems since UIGEA?
BingoBoingo: alexsanjose: Whatever local paper it is quarentined to will piss off the 95% of bettors not there
mircea_popescu: well... bitcoin didn't exist in 2006. bitcoin gambling even less.
alexsanjose: because after 2006, and especially ater 2011 when the doj shut down the three major online poker establishments that us plays could illegally access
alexsanjose: but it became increaseingly harder to process payments
BingoBoingo: Poker is a lowest common denominator of gambling
alexsanjose: because the 2006 law makes it illegal to accept payments associated iwth "unlawful: online gambling
mircea_popescu: and the one poker site which was doing great in 2011 and 2012 meanwhile died.
alexsanjose: so by penalizing the payment process, they brought banks into it
ozbot: Urban Dictionary: Bodog
mircea_popescu: it may not be "just poker", but the case of poker seems to go exactly against the theory it benefited.
alexsanjose: but they had to resort to really sketchy stuff to get money fto and from clients
mircea_popescu: because the bitcoin poker site was doing great in 2011, and is dead now.
alexsanjose: banks would have to misclassifry transactions
benkay: trust is important when bitcoins are involved.
alexsanjose: or a runner ould show up at your house for the cash
BingoBoingo: The cashier had to put my vodka in a paper bag. Was that sketcy because it was concealed?
mircea_popescu: since when do banks classify transactions saying it;'s to x or to y ?
alexsanjose: these are anecdotes from people in the industry anyway
mircea_popescu: wtf weird country is that. the merchant/customer specify wtf the transaction is
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alexsanjose: but as soon as the bank does that, they can go after you for fraud, money laundering,e tc in addition to violating UIGEA]
alexsanjose: so the question is whether bitcoin -- which is outside of traditionally banking -- allows bettors and sites to sidestep all the regulatory hassle (in addition to lowering costs, etc_)
mircea_popescu: alexsanjose it would seem there's no particular relation.
TestingUnoDosTre: but if you tried to make a connection, if you REALLY stretched
mircea_popescu: or in the words of bogart, the fixations of some people in the us don't amount to a hill of beans in this large btc world.
BingoBoingo: Even in the US I have yet to se a bank car with lites, sirens, and surly black cops played by Sam Jackson
alexsanjose: so u really see it as a separate phenomenon
alexsanjose: independent of this whole us gambling regulatory backstory
BingoBoingo: Per FINRA, the Federal Reserve, and Reality.
mircea_popescu: i don't imagine that a)the us legislative process has much impact on us reality ; b) us reality has much impact on online reality ; c) btc has much to do with online gambling
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: On point B the us has an impact in that it makes tor suck
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BingoBoingo: Well, tor always sucked, there was actually a not horrible Cracked article on the subject
alexsanjose: if you come across in humans in Central America who have bitcoin gambling operations and they want to talk to a reporter, tell them i dont bite alexandra.alper@thomsonreuters.com
mike_c: BingoBoingo: breathalyzer while drinking is cheating. you need blood samples!
BingoBoingo: TestingUnoDosTre: Must have been confusion of units
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BingoBoingo: mike_c: Yeah, but are YOU really going to jump me with a needle right now?
BingoBoingo: Sometimes approximation is a necessary tool
BingoBoingo: Also this is Overstock.com, they barely replaced Roger Ver
TestingUnoDosTre: if you're going for your all time high score, doesn't seem like cheating to me
BingoBoingo: Nah, this isn't a high score night. This is just cultivating a good hangover to think through tomorrow.
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mike_c: mircea_popescu: hah, sorry my departure caused a commotion. great weekend though! i had a blast.
BingoBoingo: TestingUnoDosTre: I can look at the bottle or bottles.
BingoBoingo: TestingUnoDosTre: The .08 rule is why I keep a tremendous distance between driving and drinking.
mircea_popescu: mike_c tbh i half figured you moved for a day of hooker privacy.
BingoBoingo: Well, I smoke menthol cigarettes like a nigger so maybe that is another false positive that might aggrevate this piece of shit.
joecool: my coworker switched to ecig, smokes thug juice
TestingUnoDosTre: by the way, I'm really disappointed how bitbet posts latest bets to the front page. I sniped this coinlab bet from a few months , and someone just followed me
joecool: BingoBoingo: prob better for you
joecool: cheaper + less cancer + smells better
BingoBoingo: joecool: Menthols cost just as much as regular cigs
joecool: sure, i was talking about vaping though
BingoBoingo: Eh, I dun want some damn weed ruining my nice ETOH buzz
joecool: me? i tried ecig vaping shortly, never got huge into it, but gave my kit to coworker to quit cigarette smoking and he switched to that
joecool: loves it now, got the really fancy units
artifexd: ThickAsThieves: Mailpile is an opensource web mail app that does makes pgp encryption easier. To be really useful though, it should be run on your own server.
TestingUnoDosTre: then i slowly drifted over to the cigarretes, as I began to mix the two
joecool: i've had cannabis a few times, i can't really have it though, drops my blood pressure and i either faint or sleep for over 12 hours
BingoBoingo: TestingUnoDosTre: Extremes of ETOH and marijuana intoxication can be great, but apart, never together at the extremes
joecool: someone had me try vaping it once and i slept for almost 18 hours
joecool: not my idea of fun, at best a sleep aid
joecool: i had a kidney stone in high school
joecool: when i was on oxycodone i barely registered a pulse
joecool: they had to manually check me in hospital as most of the auto cuffs couldn't pick me up
BingoBoingo: I dun like opiates, they make me itch. You ever wake up having a tooth cut in half, and then for several days take pain pills that make you rash more and more?
joecool: i use aspirin when i need pain killer, works well
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joecool: i actually picked up the ecig vaping for a short while cause i was experimenting with small amounts of nicotine for memory and to keep my bp from crashing
joecool: TestingUnoDosTre: keep a working journal
joecool: i used to test myself but i found just logging observations worked better
TestingUnoDosTre: i've heard of nicotine helping the matter, but am wondering how you personally know if your memory is better
joecool: memory methods? you mean like mnemonics?
artifexd: Nicotine, when separated from all the crap in cigarettes is actually a pretty powerful performance enhancing drug.
joecool: TestingUnoDosTre: never tried that, reading about it right now
joecool: actually we're not entirely sure at the moment how habit forming nicotine is by itself
TestingUnoDosTre: only really read about it in the last year or so, my brothers recommend me a book that has other methods in it as well
joecool: TestingUnoDosTre: my short term memory is bad, so one would assume remembering lists and tasks would be the best way to test oneself (using a memory game or something)
joecool: but i'm looking for something a little more subjective, trying to see if i can stay focused throughout the entire day and still track tasks
TestingUnoDosTre: there's a book called "the memory method" i think it's by harry loraine or something
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joecool: at the moment the best combo i've found that's very safe is a decent amount of caffeine and some theanine
BingoBoingo: I'll politely decline from revealing my secret sauce
TestingUnoDosTre: but when you tackle something larger, like project, it gets WAY different
joecool: BingoBoingo: i'm guessing sims
BingoBoingo: Not for classical definitions of such anyways
joecool: BingoBoingo: i consider moda a stim if that's that you're talking about
BingoBoingo: You are looking at the wrong class and even the wrong MOA
TestingUnoDosTre: hahaha "modanifil is wall streets favorite drug" on google top returns for modanafil
BingoBoingo: Action is on much lower molecular weight things than catecholemines
BingoBoingo: I dunno that Wall street is really an endorsement
artifexd: I am unfamiliar with crazymeds.us. I shall investigate it.
joecool: i found out about it in high school, was considering asking doctor about it, ultimately decided to avoid because of it's effects on histamine (do you like rashes?)
joecool: ultimately most of my problems were solved by a better diet
BingoBoingo: artifexd: It is actually a decent reference work. Was endorsed by actual faculty to my pharm students
artifexd: Seems limited in what it covers
BingoBoingo: artifexd: Limited vs. Targeted is a difficult distinction
joecool: anyways, gotta sleep, headin back to freedomland tomorrow
artifexd: True. examine.com doesn't have adderall or prozac.
cazalla: nutmeg and banana skins, thank me later
artifexd: examine.com for supplements. crazymeds.us for medicines.
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artifexd: Creatine is a supplement. It is quite successful at what it does.
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BingoBoingo: Creatine as a supplement is rate limited though to ineffectiveness in many processes
artifexd: Ineffectiveness in what? Via what processes?
cazalla: didn't they ban that due to kids going on creatine rages
ozbot: Is creatine a steroid? | Examine.com FAQ
cazalla: i'm joking artifexd, creatine rage is an old joke from buildingbuiding.com forums
BingoBoingo: artifexd: Mostly the liver and limits on precessing rooted in ancient human metabolism.
BingoBoingo: Excess creatine is largely handled by the body's workings as a disease state.
BingoBoingo: Choline... That on the other hand the body treats in excess as a blessing because you made a snapping turtle's nest your bitch
artifexd: So your saying that consuming 1kg of creatine won't provide 100 times the benefit of consuming 10g? Ok. I'll buy that. But that doesn't make taking 10g ineffective.
cazalla: I had a GP tell me to stop using it after bloodwork showed high levels of creatinine in bloodwork, told me to stop lifting as well, didn't go back to that doctor
artifexd: For the record, I'm not a creatine disciple. It is just an example.
BingoBoingo: Well, excess is relative to a point. The body is actually good at generating its own creatine, even while relatively malnourished in a few different ways
cazalla: from memory, only benefit from creatine was that i held more water which made me appear bigger
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BingoBoingo: Is anyone online now familiar with Amphoterrible B?
benkay: thanks for the continuing voice y'all
benkay: i am now officially curious how long i can go without auth and upping
BingoBoingo: benkay Not too long if you don't say the two magic assets words.
benkay: i give up what are you on about
BingoBoingo: benkay: Two words: cunt and nigger, third word is kike
artifexd: Holy crap. It is taking forever to get through today's logs. It looks like today is trying to make up for a quiet weekend.
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BingoBoingo: artifexd cazalla: Since you seem most interested dangerous excesses of creatine resemble the effects of amphteracin B
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artifexd: And dangerous exesses of water resemble death.
BingoBoingo: It shreds the most useful and beutiful of the kidney's filtering membranes
BingoBoingo: Excess water actually on its own can cause death
cazalla: i don't think my levels were too excessive, from memory they were in the hundreds, GP said it would be a concern if it were in the thousands, average being double digits or something, this is a decade ago, i've long ago become lazy and chubby as a result
artifexd: The point being that saying something is dangerous simply because too much of it is dangerous is incorrect at best and deceitful at worst.
artifexd: Or were you not saying creatine is dangerous and I just misinterpreted?
BingoBoingo: It isn't simply that too much is dangerous. It is HOW too much is dangerous.
cazalla: oh i wouldn't know one way or the other, i was just a sucker for the marketing
BingoBoingo: Well, this is how learning happens, by knowing how both the excess an insufficiancy are dangerous and spotting a useful mean.
BingoBoingo: I think I've covered excess creatine shreds simple yet beautiful membranes in the kidneys, what does a lack of such cause?
artifexd: Crude way to say it, but basically brain damage. Right?
BingoBoingo: artifexd: Stop going up layers of abstraction and try going down. Think things with less mass than creatine?
BingoBoingo: Fuck, is drunk BingoBoingo teaches physiology going to have to be a thing?
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artifexd: Medicine/biology are far from my strong points. Even if I got the words right, I likely wouldn't understand them.
BingoBoingo: artifexd: Sodium, Potasium, Calcium. Why did I present them in THAT order?
artifexd: My first interpretation is Salt and Bones.
BingoBoingo: So, any eastern bloc people up? I gots a question.
BingoBoingo: Let us spz I have "mice" in my garage. Which SKS variant would require the least fussing as I eliminate the "mice".... Or should I just cheap it out on a Mosin?
BingoBoingo: artifexd: One of the three most important ones. I mean you like self locomotion right?
artifexd: It beats being carted around in a shopping cart.
artifexd: I always thought of calcium as "that of which bones are made", not as "that which promotes the making of bones"
BingoBoingo: Nah, bones are the most boring thing calcium does, and most of that is crbon nanotubes anyways
artifexd: I didn't know I was looking for a secret sauce. I'm still catching up on logs.
artifexd: What does your secret sauce do (at a high abstraction level)?
artifexd: Faster, better, stronger, smarter?
BingoBoingo: artifexd: It just tweeks some electrlytes.
BingoBoingo: Haven't actually been on it since 2012 which was my lastest functional peak.
BingoBoingo: (There is an efficient substitute for it though)
artifexd: I feel similarly about modafinil. Shit made me productive for many more hours of the day than I am now.
BingoBoingo: Fuck, I've actually mentioned it by name already
BingoBoingo: What have I mentioned tha tnoobs can't find reason t belong?
artifexd: That certainly narrows the search space.
BingoBoingo: That just keeps my nutsack from being a jungle mess like Diablo-D3's
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artifexd: The only things you've named since you brought up amphteracin B are weapons and electrolytes.
BingoBoingo: artifexd: I am pretty sure I named Lamotrigine
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BingoBoingo: Anything to gribble is public with right commands
BingoBoingo: Much like Fairbain's knife is right into the proper ribs
artifexd: Reading the wikipedia article on Lamotrigine doesn't give me any reason to see it as useful for a normally functioning brain.
BingoBoingo: artifexd: Is that a problem with wikipedia or with a popular definition of normally functioning brain
BingoBoingo: How soon has wikipedia deleted each MP article
artifexd: Then I shall hop over to crazymeds page.
BingoBoingo: Let's narrow it. Yugo, Romanian or Russian? Which SKS handles "mice" best
BingoBoingo: artifexd: Actually even that won't offer quite a complete picture of the chemical
BingoBoingo: Or eastern bloc people is a $50 mosin enough for "mice"
artifexd: The freaky side effects are hilarious
artifexd: The OCD side-effect could be useful.
BingoBoingo: If you could recognize an adversary using it
BingoBoingo: as their own shtick or a schtick they milk
artifexd: I am not clinically ocd but I have ocd tendencies and I consider them one of my strengths.
BingoBoingo: artifexd: Did you make it to the drug's MOA yet?
artifexd: Shit. No. The ads made me think I had scrolled all the way down and yet I was only halfway down the page.
artifexd: MOA means "How it works", right? Mode of Affect or something?
BingoBoingo: artifexd: Dude who runs the site is totally disabled. You have to account for such compromising design decisions or worse
BingoBoingo: The internet is not designed for you and your purposes. That is the one lesson I want to hammer into the brains of so many shitheads.
artifexd: Ok. I've read it. Didn't understand much at all.
BingoBoingo: artifexd: Well the problem is... well did you recognize the problem?
artifexd: Correction: I didn't really understand a damn thing.
artifexd: I mean, ok, it's a mood stabilizer. But you give me the impression it is so much more.
BingoBoingo: artifexd: Lithium is not a simple mood stabilizer.
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artifexd: BingoBoingo, you seem to have the ability to, more than anyone else I know (including mp, maybe not including my wife), make me feel like a complete idiot.
BingoBoingo: moiety: some camels need more canings than others to fing water.
moiety: lithium is far too toxic for some and just doesnt work
moiety: lamotrigine can be used in much smaller amounts for a wide variety of things as an add-in
moiety: i totally agree about camels
BingoBoingo: artifexd: Full disclosure. I have a diagnosis of Bipolar I disorder. I can't given reality justify actual meds so i love booze.
artifexd: Lamotrigine is an anti-bi-polar medicine, right? Being bi-polar means that you tend to go from one extreme mood to the other. Successfully combating that means you in a not extreme mood.
moiety: its far more than that artifexd
artifexd: Thus a more stable mood. So, I called it a mood stabilizer.
moiety: but a mood stabiliser in itself is a thing
BingoBoingo: We all know how his half measures ended...
moiety: and no i didnt start archer yet either
artifexd: So why the comment that lithium is not a simple mood stabilizer when I wasn't talking about lithium. Unless you meant that as to also say that lamotrigine is also not a simple mood stabilizer.
moiety: what i said is that they are both entirely different
BingoBoingo: artifexd: Because you said what I wanted to spz. You just added noise to it though.
artifexd: "Smoke? Anchor? Turd?" <- I don't understand the reference
BingoBoingo: smoke is ephemeral pretend anchors without actual beds to cut into
artifexd: Anchors work even if they don't reach the bottom.
BingoBoingo: Also recognize that moiety could be more differently right than me on this subject
artifexd: So back to before you mentioned lithium. I guess that I do not recognize the problem.
moiety: its the combination game. different strokes for different folks and all that jazz
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artifexd: Bottom line is that if one is bipolar, lamotrigine is awesome as long as the side effects don't kill you. If you aren't bipolar are there any benefits?
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BingoBoingo: artifexd: Magic happens because I dunno either of those cases
artifexd: What magic? What effects did you experience?
moiety: artifexd: depends entirely on the drug. for lithium and lamotrigine, i'd say no. but addons eg quetiapine (to stop racing thoughts) can chill people out, aid sleep and also isnt addictive
moiety: its used in place of diazepam these days
BingoBoingo: Split that. He doesn't feel a smith. He feels the black.
BingoBoingo: moiety: In 'Murica we use brand names like Seroquel (also known as benadryl on steroids)
artifexd: Hephaestus was a blacksmith to the gods. He created wonderful and amazing things that were used and appreciated by the most powerful beings in the universe. I'd say he felt pretty proud and satisfied.
moiety: ofc sorry ishould translate my drugs for globality
artifexd: BingoBoingo, we seem to both use english as a source for our vocabulary but you put words together in ways that completely confound me.
artifexd: "He didn't feel a smith." <- He didn't feel like a creator of stuff?
artifexd: "He feels the black" <- black as in ostracized?
BingoBoingo: artifexd: Maybe scroll up? Charles Sander Peirce (pronounced Purse) could simplify these rules
BingoBoingo: I've heard such from victims of my current legal adversary
BingoBoingo: TestingUnoDosTre: Who do you think you are?
TestingUnoDosTre: the reason why I asked about quetiapine is because I use it, and think of it as habit forming
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moiety: TestingUnoDosTre: it's not by chemical nature. people can believe they are addicted to it, but it is not in the physical dependancy sense like benzodiazapines are
BingoBoingo: TestingUnoDosTre: Actual metaphysics is still physics
moiety: its also a mood lifter so it gets used for people with depression that have problems sleeping (the racing thought thing)
BingoBoingo: TestingUnoDosTre: Slightly different doses of these drugs have such different effects
BingoBoingo: Except ETOH, I'll blow when I get in from garage
moiety: <BingoBoingo> TestingUnoDosTre: Slightly different doses of these drugs have such different effects << so true
BingoBoingo: ;;google the most important article in psychiatry
moiety: my friend writes on antipsychiatry (a psychiatric nurse)
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BingoBoingo: artifexd: Scoop your shit and make them yourself
artifexd: Another combination of words that confounds me. "Scoop your shit" I don't understand. "Make them yourself" I understand.
artifexd: I currently have a 6 month old GSD.
BingoBoingo: artifexd: Are you familiar how bitcoin works?
artifexd: I am several orders of magnitude more familiar with bitcoin than pharmacology.
artifexd: You know, I gave serious thought to sponsoring your blog in exchange for you mentoring me. Specifically for an agreement that you would explain stuff to me in terms that I could understand.
BingoBoingo: TestingUnoDosTre: Which one is mine though
BingoBoingo: artifexd: To you I offered nothing of the sort, nigger.
TestingUnoDosTre: I didn't say you wrote it, just posted. "The most important article on psychiatry you will evar read"
BingoBoingo: Fuck it you are all a bunch of fucking kikes
artifexd: You were asking for funds and I thought about making an offer.
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BingoBoingo: artifexd: Maybe Milosevich pays better you nigger
BingoBoingo: artifexd: Slobodan, for Christ's sake (Because Jesus is in the Klan)
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gribble: Error: "laserkitteh" is not a valid command.
moiety: whats the lasercats command
moiety promises not to abuse it
BingoBoingo: TestingUnoDosTre: I barely find you better than a cow
gribble: Error: "lazerkitteh" is not a valid command.
BingoBoingo: TestingUnoDosTre: On a scale of 1-10 how bored might you imagine myself
BingoBoingo: Manul always gets to cheap out... Unlike people trying to chimp out
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TestingUnoDosTre: 6.66 out of 10, as in you have been more bored within the last 12 days BingoBoingo
cazalla: TestingUnoDosTre: don't you bet at the last moment though?
cazalla: that was only a playful dig btw :)
kanzure: asciilifeform: could you join ##hplusroadmap sometime? you have a small fanclub
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 365 @ 0.00075199 = 0.2745 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 25 @ 0.03199 = 0.7998 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 3 @ 0.14 = 0.42 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28046 @ 0.00095864 = 26.886 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17650 @ 0.00095865 = 16.9202 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33566 @ 0.00095765 = 32.1445 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.0742218 = 0.1484 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 90 @ 0.0742218 = 6.68 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 100 @ 0.031 = 3.1 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 47 @ 0.0742218 = 3.4884 BTC [-]
fluffypony: BingoBoingo: do you think there'd be any interest in rugby bets on BitBet, or is the sports betting crowd on their more US-sports-centric?
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: I reached out to an affiliate manager I know of, great candidate, to see what it would cost to lure him away from his current venture...no word back
fluffypony: yerp, I'll look around peripherally and see if there's anyone I stumble across
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: ikr, I already had to wade through the alexsanjose interview and then there was all that stuff after
mircea_popescu: TestingUnoDosTre: by the way, I'm really disappointed how bitbet posts latest bets to the front page. I sniped this coinlab bet from a few months , and someone just followed me << now you understand our evil.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32592 @ 0.00095436 = 31.1045 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: artifexd: To be really useful though, it should be run on your own server. << unless you actually lock the thing in a cage, it's not any safer on some server you own or on some server google owns.
mircea_popescu: TestingUnoDosTre: how do you gage memory recall? << i'll tell you how. write 10k articles on your blog, then see if you can recall "where x was" when people ask.
ozbot: Dorian Nakamoto - Thank you Bitcoin Community - YouTube
bounce: but! faraday cage! tempest-proof cases! only glass for networking! solar powered! gotta be safe, no?
mircea_popescu: bounce i wouldn't trust a tempest-proof case rated as such by a us institution and/or manufactured by a us corp
bounce: tangentially, there was a... german? that came up with radar-absorbing paint. refused to sell to anyone but "the government" but those weren't interested. wonder if such paint would get you out of speeding tickets. though with ANPR that's a bit moot these days.
fluffypony: bounce: I worked on an ANPR system for a parking garage years ago (2003?) to catch tail-gaters
bounce blames fluffypony for the rise of the ANPR databases
mircea_popescu: actually, i recall a time when romanian police used plain radars on the roads, and you could get electronic invisibility kits
fluffypony: once it was working with reasonable accuracy it was quite astonishing to see how many peopel tailgated and then came back days and weeks later
fluffypony: got clamped, claimed they never tailgated and always paid parking
mircea_popescu: (they just spotted the radar and replied with a pulse, making it take its own pulse reply as random scatter and discard the measurement)
Naphex: police managed to get my license, a week ago
Naphex: they nailed me in a police action with a granny crossing:(
bounce: IIRC that security book linked earlier starts out with a discussion of how the military had a jolly time playing radar cat'n'mouse
Naphex: let me read up and figure out whats going on
bounce: you're an expert on horsey expressions now?
bounce: "forget the bear, forget the bull, behold the horse"
bounce: though I suspect donkeys might still be more common in romania
fluffypony: BFL apologist on Reddit: "Many other manufacturers do the same. So my miner was used by BFL for 24 hours before they shipped it to me. Big deal. EDIT: And I've been happy with the BFL hardware I've used. Granted I did have to wait a long time for it - and although this is endemic in this industry, it's true that their waiting times have been perhaps somewhat worse than some of their competitors."
bounce: bit of a horse trade, eh
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5513 @ 0.00095878 = 5.2858 BTC [+] {2}
fluffypony: I like this: "Mining pools are Guild Navigators. Nodes are Sand Worms. Developers are the Fremen. reddit trols are House Harkonen. Bitcoin, of course, is Spice."
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.5080001 = 1.524 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.06575187 = 0.1315 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.06574714 = 0.1972 BTC [+]
ozbot: 'FIPS mode is not coming back' - MARC
davout: Apocalyptic: no, i'm the green bush on the left side of the picture
Naphex: So AtlasATS is partnering with NSE
HeySteve: hey fluffypony and mircea_popescu, been considering the Sybil problem
Naphex: even after that hickup, what a week ago?:)
HeySteve: a possible solution is moderation
fluffypony: Naphex: if you click through from Google the paywall is gone
Naphex: nothing of value anyway
fluffypony: HeySteve: then you end up with a "Quis custodiet ipsos custodes" problem
fluffypony: HeySteve: aka bitcointalk's "default trust" nonsense
HeySteve: if we consider trust as it's presently used as separate to what I'd call "realism"
HeySteve: evidence of the person's existence, as vetted by other "proven humans"
HeySteve: no, it's fairly decentralised, no centralised watchers necessary
HeySteve: for example. I have low trust of Karpeles, I wouldn't let him watch my wallet
HeySteve: but I know for an almost certainty that bastard exists someplace, he's no fiction
HeySteve: so to apply it, whoever proves an identity is hollow claims a portion of that identity's rep. workable? just an idea really, kicking it around
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12409 @ 0.00095891 = 11.8991 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6350 @ 0.00095919 = 6.0909 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28500 @ 0.0009595 = 27.3458 BTC [+]
bounce: so the SEC recognises "National Stock Exchange" (never heard of'em) as a SRO and now they're going to set rules for Atlas ATS. any rules are good rules, amirite or amirite?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56500 @ 0.00095659 = 54.0473 BTC [-]
fluffypony: are they piggy-backing off the NSE's recognition in order to avoid needing to get approval anywhere?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 83 @ 0.00454592 = 0.3773 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.06573551 = 0.3287 BTC [-] {2}
ThickAsThieves: Hearn "Although I never expected it when I first started using Bitcoin, nowadays most of my purchases with it are for food and drink. If Bitcoin could not support such purchases, I would use it much less."
ThickAsThieves: he's proposing some sort of meta double-spending for the motherland
davout: ;;rate mircea_popescu 4 met IRL twice, honored oral bet for .5 BTC
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user mircea_popescu has changed from 3 to 4.
ThickAsThieves: how you know it's a good idea? "This may seem a radical suggestion, but I think it's much less radical than
ThickAsThieves: "The above approach works as long as the majority of hashpower is honest"
fluffypony: ThickAsThieves: imho Bitcoin isn't designed to be used for a quick purchase of food and drink...but a system that has convenience + chargebacks can be built on top of Bitcoin quite easily (the way credit cards and PayPal are all essentially built on top of cash)
ThickAsThieves: well, bitcoin also happens to already have a system for preventing double spends
davout: ThickAsThieves: I HERD U LIKE SYSTEMZ
fluffypony: but the current system is bad for line-at-Starbucks-and-everyone-wants-to-pay-with-BTC
ThickAsThieves: i wonder if he'd build the best way to double spend by trying to make the best way to prevent it
fluffypony: maybe time for some FUD posts on triple spends :-P
HeySteve: double spend is going to be a hard solution to sell
davout: fluffypony: WE HERD YOU LIKE DOUBLESPENDZ
HeySteve: this reminds me of redlisting suggestion
fluffypony: davout: SO WE PUT SOME TRIPLESPENDZ IN YOUR DOUBLESPENDZ SO YOU CAN QUADRUPLESPENDZ WHILE YOU SPENDZ
chetty: plant might be strong, maybe bought
HeySteve: so what he proposes is honest miners submit double spends to certain pools, if those pools process them then ... what? all their blocks are rejected by the rest of the network somehow?
ThickAsThieves: he's basically building a BETTER BitUndo, i think/....
HeySteve: well, is it possible to accidentally a block containing a double spend?
ThickAsThieves: who knows what's possible when you add a new feature that already exists
ThickAsThieves: and when that is the same person whom, if i recall, helped the last fork occur
chetty: very statist, fix problems that don't exist thus creating problems that do
HeySteve: I thought bitundo resolved as unlikely to work as a service
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34400 @ 0.00095762 = 32.9421 BTC [+] {2}
Naphex: if i would've had more time i would deffinetly do a ISK/BTC exchange just for fun:D
ozbot: [Bitcoin-development] Double-spending unconfirmed transactions is a lot easier than most people real
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0435 = 0.2175 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.03199 = 0.128 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.0742218 = 0.2969 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.03199 = 0.128 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.0435 = 0.174 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.0742218 = 0.2969 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.03199 = 0.128 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.0435 = 0.174 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.0742218 = 0.2969 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 11 @ 0.0742218 = 0.8164 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.03199 = 0.2239 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.0435 = 0.3045 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: Would it be correct to say that Reddit is broken economy in that downvoters are not identified?
Naphex: some downvotes are auto and not from downvoters anyway
Naphex: to get the hot thing going
Naphex: i wouldn't read too much into it
Naphex: just a ranking algo, doing its job
Naphex: showing the most voted stuff up
fluffypony: ThickAsThieves: what's the medium of exchange?
ThickAsThieves: yesterday it was already established that a point system could work as an economy
fluffypony: yes, but how do you exchange them between individuals?
fluffypony: "upvote my post and I'll upvote yours" ?
ThickAsThieves: for every post every user gets one pos coin and one neg coin
fluffypony: except with WoT the medium of exchange is Bitcoin, by the Trilema post?
ThickAsThieves: i was exploring whether the the WoT itself contains an economy
HeySteve: rating points are only as good as their issuer
ThickAsThieves: well, theyre only as good as the person assessing the issuer decided
HeySteve: how about a system where ratings are destroyed if the issuer is collectively deemed a fake or scammer?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 82100 @ 0.00096057 = 78.8628 BTC [+] {3}
Naphex: where do you get them points from?
ThickAsThieves: in WoT? For every user created, each other user received 10 pos "coins" and 10 neg "coins"
ThickAsThieves: the rules of the economy state thpse coins can only be used with that user
ThickAsThieves: and that the original owner can take them back at any time
ThickAsThieves: it's certainly not a typical or, arguably, ideal, economy
HeySteve: I'm still stuck on this Sybil thing :) if you identify a puppet troupe, is there a mechanism to neutralise it beyond information-sharing?
ThickAsThieves: well is that a feature required within Mircea's theory?
HeySteve: oh, well I am talking more with a view to my project, still reading on MP's theory
HeySteve: essentially to integrate a reputation system within a blockchain
HeySteve: mircea_popescu suggested I share one of the key elements, which is that trust rating influences mining rewards
ThickAsThieves: first it is not yet proven that all systems require an "mircean" economy, though i suspect they do
HeySteve: this makes things a little trickier
HeySteve: decentralised system, this is?
ThickAsThieves: his theory doenst outright require decentralization either
HeySteve: all right, so medium of exchange, punishment gazette, public forum
HeySteve: or bitcoin if a sidechain, if that happens
HeySteve: having two allows secure lending
HeySteve: yes, you can rate and transact
HeySteve: the goal is to make a less scammy cryptocurrency
kakobrekla: as long as you can attach you linkedin profile to it, you should be fine!
ThickAsThieves: so by my subtheory, i'd say you need all the mircean features in both systems
HeySteve: well, public forum... yes I knocked up a quick phpBB for testing
ThickAsThieves: it seems odd to me that you are recreating the WoT, when it already exists
ThickAsThieves: wouldnt it be more productive to improve the existing one by helping with decentralization efforts or such?
HeySteve: well, that is indeed how I hope things turn out
HeySteve: here is one potential way to decentralise it
ozbot: Urban Dictionary: spork
kakobrekla: its ok for camping, but normally its used in a separate form
HeySteve: well if a fork is for stabbing, a blockchain is for timestamping as nanotube said to me
HeySteve: timestamping doesn't initially seem to add much to a WoT, but I'm starting to think the more data points the easier to spot Sibyls
HeySteve: an individual is easy to fake, a real network much harder (so my theory goes)
HeySteve: is there a time associated with anything but registration in the WoT?
HeySteve: I'm thinking rating will be a transaction, so that's timestamped and recorded. as you say, it is another level of context
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17883 @ 0.0009564 = 17.1033 BTC [-] {2}
Naphex: so.. why not just rate bitcoin transactions?
Naphex: make it signed before you submit a rateing
Naphex: and from the same source
ThickAsThieves: i also have no basic problem with integrating a WoT into the blockchain
ThickAsThieves: but this might be due to my ignorance with problems of using the chain for things it wasnt "designed" for
Naphex: A sells Douche to B through bitcoin, B cand then send a signed rate after.
mircea_popescu: <HeySteve> a possible solution is moderation << doesn't work for bitcointalk.
bounce: case study in where moderation breaks down
HeySteve: heh mircea_popescu, I mean something inspired by the voicing in here
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves Hearn << "If things evolved naturally, I'd end up mattering much less, which is to say my current denial of my own irrelevance would become much more difficult to maintain, even in my own eyes".
ThickAsThieves: i think the point of the mircean way is to have "moderation" be dynamic to the viewer
ThickAsThieves: the system provides all the info needed to decide for yourself
HeySteve: fluffypony, nonetheless it is necessary to have at least level 2 trust with assbot or be vouched for to participate
fluffypony: there's that point about #bitcoin-assets +m producing an aristocracy, of sorts, but that's not the same as modereation
bounce: usenet was pretty spiffy before AOL though. even if you needed a sometimes gigantic killfile
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 64 @ 0.06594801 = 4.2207 BTC [+] {5}
HeySteve: ok fluffypony, fair enough, I need a better word for it
mircea_popescu: <ThickAsThieves> who knows what's possible when you add a new feature that already exists << lmao
ThickAsThieves: fluffypony, note that this chan does not moderate who can view it
mircea_popescu: <Naphex> if i would've had more time i would deffinetly do a ISK/BTC exchange just for fun:D << or else just join 1BTC, bitcoin's eve guild, where shares are tradeable for mpex shares etc.
HeySteve: essentially mining rights will be restricted to those who have been vouched for or rated as definitely being real people
mircea_popescu: <ThickAsThieves> Would it be correct to say that Reddit is broken economy in that downvoters are not identified? << yes, but at an "at least in that"
bounce: o_O? blah now I need to go dig.
mircea_popescu: <HeySteve> I'm still stuck on this Sybil thing :) if you identify a puppet troupe, is there a mechanism to neutralise it beyond information-sharing? << no, by definition.
mircea_popescu: <ThickAsThieves> first it is not yet proven that all systems require an "mircean" economy, though i suspect they do << all systems contain one, whether aware or not, i'd say.
mircea_popescu: <HeySteve> timestamping doesn't initially seem to add much to a WoT, but I'm starting to think the more data points the easier to spot Sibyls <<< wot has timestamps as it is.
mircea_popescu: blockchain would only add some further trust to the already existing states, is all.
mircea_popescu: HeySteve voice here is a wholly innovative, quite well designed thing. it has exactly nothing in common with "moderation" as used on the interwebs forums
mircea_popescu: <ThickAsThieves> all "sustainable" systems at least <<< all systems with moving parts.
mircea_popescu: that's wehy it';s so important, that theory : because it describes the limits of the possibility of being,
mircea_popescu: people spending a while trying to find a contradiction with reality and failing to do so.
chetty: yeah keep trying to disprove
fluffypony: that would make it akin to a natural law, yes?
HeySteve: this is why I asked about decentralised systems
chetty: humans break everything, its a natural law
bounce: just add brokers, and free market theory says it'll cease to be broken. well, at least the brokers won't go broke.
mircea_popescu: fluffypony yeah, kinda how darwin's stuff ended up law.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves but functional is no argument in this discussion.
ThickAsThieves: but how do you prove that a functional economy is broken?
ThickAsThieves: you can't say, the definition of "definition" is definition
HeySteve: I would tentatively suggest an economy is broken if it leaks value into competing economies
mircea_popescu: no but listen, this is not a discussion of whether a house collapsed
mircea_popescu: it's a discussion of whether it has load bearing walls.
mircea_popescu: of fucking course it does, whether it falls down or not.
mircea_popescu: the concept of load bearing can be illustrated by proving that the walls that stand actually have loadbearing ability in excess of the load
mircea_popescu: it can't be disproven by showing some houses standing.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 825 @ 0.00095565 = 0.7884 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: i understand, yet can't grok how you'd actually go about proving a "house" can stand without load-bearing walls, in practice
mircea_popescu: by proving that, for instance, kali-of-the-tits holds up houses
Naphex: ah good ol reddit dukeouts
Naphex: yeah just finished checking it out
HeySteve: I give peter todd points for style, mike hearn sounds very grumpy
ThickAsThieves: "It’s hard to find someone who wants to go on record betting against Warren Buffett."
fluffypony: asciilifeform: but you don't have (c) and tm after that, so how can anyone trust you to store their BTC safely?
fluffypony: "a 512GB SSD Drive will do in the satellite for the coming 10 years. It will barely consume power and generate next to no heat at all.... It is not like we are sending miners into space, just public nodes carrying the blockchain...."
fluffypony: asciilifeform: a computer? some form of communication?
HeySteve: are thrusters required to stop the orbit degrading or something?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15752 @ 0.00095284 = 15.0091 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.52514439 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 11 @ 0.52961812 = 5.8258 BTC [+] {5}
ThickAsThieves: making garzik's soliciting for donations that much more ugly
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 22 @ 0.52840909 = 11.625 BTC [-] {2}
davout: fluffypony: aren't SSD drives the least durable one could pick?
fluffypony: davout: yeah I don't know what that commenter was thinking
HeySteve: so about 3 years and it burns up?
ThickAsThieves: commenters sayng stuff like "This satellite is really important for the future of bitcoin."
ThickAsThieves: "There are so many smart forward thinkers in the digital currency space. I'm so impressed."
fluffypony: davout: they're probably thinking they can just send a Raspberry Pi and an SSD up and it'll work
HeySteve: asciilifeform, going on deploy date vs. decay date in the stats there
HeySteve: it seems they CAN stay up a while, what is different between the ones that last 1000+ days and the month long ones?
ThickAsThieves: HeySteve, but note the newer cubes last the least amount of time
HeySteve: is it the launch vehicle, ones deployed low fail quickly perhaps?
davout: asciilifeform: enjoy your tectonic plates
HeySteve: but what about... bitcoin whales (drumroll)
HeySteve: asciilifeform, if you're willing to talk me through the science I'll write about Cubesats fails because F coindesk
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.52422529 = 1.5727 BTC [-] {2}
HeySteve: someone is offering his 3d printed cubesat to the project
HeySteve: "for the amount saved in mass, you may like to add extra avionics to BitSat."
kakobrekla: take me with you, ill pay for half the fuel.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34421 @ 0.00095313 = 32.8077 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 62 @ 0.00481945 = 0.2988 BTC [+] {3}
fluffypony: why do I open my big mouth in the comments section
fluffypony: "An SSD is non-magnetic storage, there is not really any protection needed. Put a metal case around it and im pretty sure it can drop from the atmosphere into the ground at free fall speed and still operate once free'd from the metal casing"
kakobrekla: the real problem with ssd is the controller on it
fluffypony: someone else said "tungsten is the high density option- polyethylene is the low option. also, for circular orbits below 1000 km radiation is nominal in terms of bitflips etc."
kakobrekla: nah, controllers will die before you will wear it out
kakobrekla: it doesnt seem to be limited to chinese
ozbot: Awesome Video CGI for a KID - YouTube
fluffypony: I believe the charge for such heresy is a negrating on the WoT
ThickAsThieves: me in #bitcoin-dev : <ThickAsThieves> i'd like to put a nose in my nose to prevent me from having to smell things i dont like
TomServo: haha - just finished reading that
bounce: didn't DARPA issue a "challenge" for cigarette-sized easily scatterable mobile APs?
bounce: er, s/cigarette/& box/
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6846 @ 0.00095397 = 6.5309 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24054 @ 0.00095242 = 22.9095 BTC [-]
bounce: plenty turds in any given polish craphouse
fluffypony wades out of the CoinDesk comment section
benkay: toughest lesson of undergrad was working out and accepting capital requirements for orbit and deep sea industry
assbot: Voicing tris for 30 minutes.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2350 @ 0.00095242 = 2.2382 BTC [-]
benkay: davout: the story gets more amusing
benkay: i was preparing a frontal assault on Nautilus Minerals and Reaction Engines Ltd. when I acquired a redhead who understandably has no desire to live in either rural Britain or within commuting distance of deep-sea deposits.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.06857999 = 0.3429 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30950 @ 0.00095193 = 29.4622 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.50929394 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.06857999 = 0.4801 BTC [+] {2}
gribble: Nick 'thestringpuller', with hostmask 'thestringpuller!~leflor@99-39-97-12.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net', is not identified.
benkay: thestringpuller: how are you voiced if not authed?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.03199 = 0.16 BTC [-]
benkay: ;;ident thestringpuller
gribble: Nick 'thestringpuller', with hostmask 'thestringpuller!~leflor@99-39-97-12.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net', is not identified.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.06859999 = 0.343 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.06859999 = 0.1372 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.0324 = 0.2592 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.04250059 = 0.2975 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 7 @ 0.0742218 = 0.5196 BTC [-] {3}
davout: Naphex: if you're bored go troll #bitcoin-dev
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.0325 = 0.195 BTC [+] {3}
Naphex: party finished over there hehe so too late ;l
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 2.54515920 BTC to 7`064 shares, 36030 satoshi per share
Naphex: i could start working on the payments api but nuff work for the day
benkay: i have yet to actually remember the laser-kitteh command, moiety
gribble: Error: "laser-kitteh" is not a valid command.
gribble: Error: "kitteh-lasers" is not a valid command.
gribble: Error: "kitteh-laser" is not a valid command.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.03275 = 0.1638 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0425 = 0.2125 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.0742218 = 0.3711 BTC [-]
gribble: ุ ₍˄.͡˳̫.˄₎ ุ ┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew*
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.0425 = 0.1275 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.0742218 = 0.2227 BTC [-]
moiety: i'd like to see gribbles logs for the past day or two... so many attempts at laser kttehs
benkay: laserkittens, you say.
moiety: i totally did not pm gribble looking... >.>
moiety: kakobrekla, we need lasermanuls!
moiety: twitter's had an fb facelift, it's weird
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 200 @ 0.06310574 = 12.6211 BTC [-] {12}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 65 @ 0.06142724 = 3.9928 BTC [-] {18}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.06000245 = 0.6 BTC [-] {2}
moiety: scotland's so backwards, you can't submit any forms online
moiety: so irritating, fucked without a printer
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2753 @ 0.00013383 = 0.3684 BTC [-] {9}
fluffypony: is using Preview to fill in forms (use the annotation tools where necessary)
fluffypony: copy and paste into doc, resize and position
benkay: os x preview will now capture and insert signatures from the laptop camera, fluffypony
moiety: thanks :) i'll try this, i'm not sure if they will accept via email though
benkay: what forms're you submitting, moiety ?
fluffypony: benkay: didn't know that - but doesn't the form need to have a dedicated PDF-compliant signature block to use that?
moiety: applying to every council i can around here
benkay: fluffypony: don't quite recall much more than writing my name on a piece of paper and dropping it into the pdf.
fluffypony: cool I'll give that a spin, tks benkay
benkay: i mean the idiotic format lets one absolutely position letters so why not sigs?
benkay: moiety: what kinds of coucils? are you going full-commie on us?
moiety: lol no i just need somewhere to live
moiety: and everything is so retarded here unless you are pregnant and/or have a drug habit
davout: kakobrekla: as long as we don't have the same gf :D
benkay: moiety: sounds like you have your work cut out for you.
fluffypony: well I suppose it's better than the "how come when you messaged that you love me you only put 2 exclamation marks when I put 4?" argument
davout: fluffypony: you don't know french women
benkay: "girl i'm busy you're lucky i hammered that out mispellings and all"
fluffypony: benkay: yeah, one of the reasons why I married my wife was because she wasn't full of shit like that (full of shit in other ways, but not pedantry/jealousy like that)
fluffypony: but I had that exact argument with an ex-gf in my mid-20s
moiety: i hate message things that give a 'read' report. just leads to "why did it take you 4 hours to reply?"
fluffypony: moiety: WhatsApp is the worst with that..."I see the message got delivered because there's a second tick...are we fighting now that you're not replying?"
davout: moiety: the best way to answer that is "because i didn't feel like it"
moiety: voxer gives a location point on a map, thats even worse, i used to get "why were you not at your house?"
benkay: sometimes more information is worst information
moiety: "I'm allowed to go buy food!"
fluffypony: that's when they "surprise" you with a visit to your house, right?
moiety: no just sitting huffing being a retard. even though if you check the map of my city it would show a Tesco store or something
moiety: i got a "and who's this?" once .. "zoom in, its the doctors -_-"
moiety: i never used whats app, they kept info of people on their users contacts lists that didnt even have the app o.o
benkay: i'll do you one better
benkay: if i ever want to get off the iphone i have to get a new number, because my current number is cached in every iphone that's ever texted me and will go over apple's servers no matter no matter.
benkay: i'll probably have to keep the old number alive and set up an auto-responder saying 'this number is dead please try blah blah blah..."
fluffypony: yeah, I resigned myself to sacrificing all measure of privacy the minute I got my Nokia N95 and realised all the crap that could go on in the background
benkay: but i'm now fucked on this number
benkay: this number is now no longer portable
moiety: that snowden phone that everyone had kittens over seemed a bit futile to me
benkay: well, from provider to provider sure.
benkay: but not from ios to anything else
fluffypony: I have a friend that switched from iOS to Android in October
fluffypony: and it doesn't offer the blue iMessage option or anything any longer
fluffypony: I think if they haven't signed in to iCloud/iMessage from an iOS device it takes them off the active list or whatevs
Naphex: decentralized telephony
Naphex: nah regular telephonyi
Naphex: have a radio mesh of transcievers
Naphex: phone looks for strongest signal
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 750 @ 0.14 = 105 BTC
Naphex: hard to type from phone
ozbot: Wireless mesh network - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Naphex: pay to carry voip with cryptos
fluffypony: I'm looking for a bit of seed funding to expand and grow OpenRigs, benkay took a looksie at a previous version of my proposal and made some suggestions (which I've incorporated)
fluffypony: if anyone has a few mins I'd like a sanity check before I send it out to interested people
fluffypony: (bearing in mind it's a fiat business, not a BTC business per se, so it's not meant to compete with a pure BTC business)
fluffypony: ThickAsThieves: that's exactly it, it's a means to an end
benkay: fluffypony: what changes did you make?
fluffypony: benkay: pretty much everything you suggested, I kept PayBee in as I don't want to split it out into an entity on its own just yet
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.0653156 = 0.6532 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.065 = 0.325 BTC [-]
fluffypony: meh, branding is easy to change on that
jurov: even Gox still isn't taboo
jurov: oh, what about GoxBee ?
ThickAsThieves: "Investors can choose to be silent investors, receiving feedback on decisions only,or active investors that will play a role in the decision making process and in the ultimate success of OpenRigs."
ThickAsThieves: "Investors can choose to be silent investors, providing feedback on decisions only,or active investors that play a role in the decision-making process and in the ultimate success of OpenRigs."
ThickAsThieves: probably could be written better from there, but yknow
Naphex: who will you exchange with for paybee?
jurov: there should be also deaf and deaf-mute investors
fluffypony: ThickAsThieves: as in "opened for business", will rephrase
fluffypony: Naphex: Cryptsy, but it's fairly agnostic to the exchange
fluffypony: they were just the most willing to make the API changes we needed and they have the volume
Naphex: we're opening our payment services for fiat soonish.
fluffypony: Naphex: the whole point of PayBee is *not* to do fiat directly, tho - once the funds are in BTC it goes straight into the merchant's Bitpay account
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13972 @ 0.00095175 = 13.2979 BTC [-]
Naphex: but we wouldnlt even think about that before doing the exchange first
Naphex: ah so paybee just accepta altcoins?
Naphex: then fowards to bitpay?
ThickAsThieves: you mention "competitive advantages" but do you mention notable conpetitors and threats to your plan?
fluffypony: ThickAsThieves: not so much on the frames side, they're too small to mention, but for PayBee yes
ThickAsThieves: identify where your target audience might be spending their money instead
benkay: fluffypony: i don't really buy your claims about heat flow. those are the kinds of claims that need to be backed by sims and such.
ThickAsThieves: the momentarily depressed cryptocurrency economy, OpenRigs is gearing itself up for the next massive wave of
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.0742218 = 0.1484 BTC [-]
fluffypony: benkay: we did FLIR imaging when designing, we're waiting for the FLIR camera to be available for rent again so we can have that data accessible
benkay: that you didn't save your imaging data is a little boggling.
fluffypony: benkay: we weren't able to, the dude that rents them is dumb and only lets you observe, not take actual data (although with the new camera he has apparently he'll give us pics and data after)
fluffypony: ThickAsThieves: it's purposely light on numbers, I'm not sure whether including all the data on the downward slump inspires investor confidence
fluffypony: or whether I'll end up explaining why so much it'll be pages of cruft
fluffypony: not hiding it, it's mentioned and detailed, and even obvious in the graph
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21269 @ 0.00095451 = 20.3015 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: can you show that continually mining with units you buy for spec purposes is actually more profitable than selling them once you are done building hardware for them?
fluffypony: ASICs certainly aren't, better to flip them
fluffypony: but GPU mining yes, I have a few years of historical data
ThickAsThieves: that elec cost sheet seems incomplete, i'm pretty sure there are even cheaper places
benkay: wouldn't gpu mining cbe require actual power bills?
ThickAsThieves: (i'm being a stickler on purpose, take it or leave it)
fluffypony: benkay: yes, but when you're mining scamcoins and dumping them it's always reasonably profitable :-P
ThickAsThieves: i'd like to see separate charts and numbers on the mining farm profit/expense
ThickAsThieves: the idea being to truly discern whether it drags you down somehow
ThickAsThieves: particularly evident in your discussion of BFL and preordering
ThickAsThieves: sound slike you wanna play the game and take ordering risks, etc
benkay: (i've yet to see the mining pitch that actually made sense under real world constraints)
fluffypony: ThickAsThieves: I like getting stuck into the technical stuff with it, sure, but it *is* a means to an end
fluffypony: I can make that clearer in the proposal
ThickAsThieves: ok, you mention letting invetsors decide on mining purchases
ThickAsThieves: you dont want your investors/board acting as employees
fluffypony: it was more in terms of avoiding scammy pre-orders (mitigating risk) in that space
benkay: the only thing that makes sense to actually pursue is the rack building thing, and that will live and die by whether or not you can land your asic partner.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5700 @ 0.000956 = 5.4492 BTC [+] {2}
ThickAsThieves: is this sposed to be like a Havelock IPO or something?
fluffypony: ThickAsThieves: I changed that to "apportioning net profit" later, forgot to search for earlier occurancess
benkay: everything else is just like "woahaoaowwywowao i want to do all these different bitcoin things!"
ThickAsThieves: i'm not sure there should be any talking of sharing profits in any dividend sorta way
fluffypony: ThickAsThieves: how else do you do it then? as an LoC?
ThickAsThieves: i'm sorta with benkay here, the best thing seems to be the hardware
ThickAsThieves: well, any time any investor gets money, include you (outside of your salary), they all get their cut
benkay: looks like the rentalstarter bagholders grow weary of getting fucked raw.
ThickAsThieves: with the incoming Scrypt ASICs, does that threaten efforts like your PCI-e multiplexer?
fluffypony: ThickAsThieves: scrypt-n and X11 based coins will still need miners, and the BOINC/Folding@Home crowd will need it to
fluffypony: in fact, there's more experimentation with stuff like that being done by the OCLHashCat guys than in the mining community
fluffypony: because they're not bound by the confines of "what is the most profitable" bullshit
ThickAsThieves: is Zoom Junction affiliated with you or any of your employees or families?
benkay: i'm still waiting to see these cellular automota-based PoW coins.
fluffypony: ThickAsThieves: no, I know one of the guys that is involved with it, but no affiliation beyond that
mike_c: there is only one coin (beside bitcoin)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.06776612 = 0.4066 BTC [+] {2}
benkay: beans all over the floor
ThickAsThieves: with wanting to spend $7500/mo marketing, it seems even more sensible to focus on hardware over paybee and such
ThickAsThieves: the "funny postcard" mention is either TMI or not enough
ThickAsThieves: yeah, unless it's some super large or innovatibve marketing method, i'm not sure it needs mention
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11615 @ 0.00095175 = 11.0546 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: surely theyd prefer colume discounts or referral programs or whatever
fluffypony: it's just been my experience that customers get excited about the most arbitrary stuff
Naphex: paybee - personally i'd just stick with btc2fiat and implement locally.
fluffypony: Naphex: then we have regulatory issues to deal with
fluffypony: we'd have to register as a financial services provider and a deposit taking institution
Naphex: lawyers and accountants
ThickAsThieves: i could be wrong on the marketing little things, sometimes i get a bit elitist with my views on it
Naphex: fluffypony: is bitcoin recognised as a financial instrument? or 'electronic money' in SA?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.067 = 0.201 BTC [-]
fluffypony: Naphex: nope - official stance from the SARB (reserve bank) is - "Bitcoin has no legal status or a regulatory framework."
fluffypony: so the minute we go into fiat we become a financial services provider
fluffypony: stay in crypto and we can pretty much do whatever we want
Naphex: fluffypony: yeah but youre just sending customer money
fluffypony: Naphex: local exchange has 10BTC daily volume, so we'd have to do BitStamp -> us -> international wire
ThickAsThieves: you mention $65k for software dev, and that's for a worker doing it in his spare time?
fluffypony: we could probably negotiate wire fees with our bank's Forex dept., but I still think we'd be paying a penalty
fluffypony: ThickAsThieves: yes - I've got deeper numbers on that that I can include, didn't know if it would be info overload
ThickAsThieves: benkay could certainly comment on that aspect better thabn myself
Naphex: fluffypony: yes, and add a buffer at your local bank
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5135 @ 0.00095129 = 4.8849 BTC [-]
benkay: software in spare time
fluffypony: yeah, so that's placeholder branding then :-P
benkay: fluffypony: what pays your rent right now?
fluffypony: benkay: I draw a salary at a group level
benkay: a salary from this group of companies?
fluffypony: ThickAsThieves: the Bee was only for the .ee domain hack
fluffypony: benkay: no - the GearTribe Group, has a 5% stake in OpenRigs
fluffypony: "OpenRigs is member of the GearTribe group of companies, of which Riccardo Spagni is one of the group directors"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.52970385 BTC [+]
fluffypony: first sentence under Company Structure
ThickAsThieves: "0-confirmationdepositsfromourwalletsinordertoensurethattradesaremadeassoonaspossiblebefore
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 485.24, Best ask: 486.92, Bid-ask spread: 1.68000, Last trade: 486.92, 24 hour volume: 6945.06957363, 24 hour low: 484.62, 24 hour high: 496.1, 24 hour vwap: 490.015634959
ThickAsThieves: why not just be transparent about what you seel and when
fluffypony: ThickAsThieves: it's not 0-conf to us, it's 0-conf between us and them
fluffypony: they do the trade the second we initiate the send
fluffypony: if the send fails we go into negative that is caught up later
fluffypony: when the trade happens our account on the exchange goes -100 ATC +0.5 BTC
fluffypony: when the deposit confirms on the exchange it goes 0 ATC
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36900 @ 0.00095733 = 35.3255 BTC [+] {2}
Naphex: so what happens if you get attacked with double spends
fluffypony: Naphex: how? they don't have our privkey to double-spend
Naphex: well where do you get confirmation data from?
fluffypony: the coins are already confirmed on our side
ThickAsThieves: "o CoinhasanenabledBTCmarketonCryptsywithmorethan$1000worthofbuyorders"
fluffypony: ThickAsThieves: I would write them a strongly worded letter!
benkay: your counterparty is accepting zero-confs
benkay: the whole thing is low-margin madness.
ThickAsThieves: what if some countries apply money laundering laws to inter-crypto trade?
jurov: ThickAsThieves: how would they enforce?
fluffypony: ThickAsThieves: if a country banned inter-crypto trades that would affect the exchange primarily?
ThickAsThieves: i'm just exploring whether you are exposed to red tape
fluffypony: we aren't required (right now) to KYC to receive crypto
fluffypony: the exchange can be required to KYC us as the depositer
mrstickball: ThickAsThieves: what was fluffypony's rig idea?
Naphex: this is in paybee context yes?
Naphex: does paybee accept 0conf?
mrstickball: didn't know if there was something else to it
ThickAsThieves: you have less money allocated to building this Paybee thing
Naphex: ok. does paybee issue 'different' pub addresses for deposits/payments
fluffypony: ThickAsThieves: because I've done most of the underlying work, it's just front-end crap that needs to be done
mircea_popescu: this latest hearn bullshit is even more laughable than gmaxwell's previous attack.
Naphex: does anyone use bitundo?
mircea_popescu: "let's solve problems that don't exist through breaking the bitcoin protocol"
fluffypony: Naphex: kind-of - a payment is only possible for 15 mins, so an address can be re-used every few hours
ThickAsThieves: Hearn is either a devil, or has some kind of offense to people poking at bitcoin
Naphex: fluffypony: plenty of room for explotation there. which will bug out and might cause your 0conf balance to go wildly negative
fluffypony: Naphex: if someone makes a late payment, for eg.?
Naphex: fluffypony: a lot of the cases are around how you aquire and track tx data
ThickAsThieves: what i see is a nice little hardware business, with ideas about what it could branch to
Naphex: that might easily cause problems with a bad implo
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 2 @ 0.14 = 0.28 BTC
ThickAsThieves: you ask for $350k when $100k would take you a long way if you focused
fluffypony: Naphex: we watch the address for the amount requested; if it appears we know it's paid, if it doesn't (wrong amount, too late) we can't "contact the client" to let them know - they have to contact us and say "ohai, I screwed up"
fluffypony: ThickAsThieves: appreciate the input, I'll work a bit more on splitting it out
Naphex: fluffypony: what happens if i senf a tx to multiple addresses you track
fluffypony: Naphex: doesn't matter, we're expecting 0.5 to address X, not to the "wallet" as a whole
ThickAsThieves: i'm saying the extra shit should be tabled til the other parts are fully grown
Naphex: fluffypony: yeah but in my case you are receiving 4 payments in the same tx
fluffypony: ThickAsThieves: so then would it be better to 1. keep everything in but stagger the funding (eg. 100k now, another 100k when X milestones reached, etc.), or 2. take stuff out and then seek further funding later
Naphex: to 4 different addresses that you track awaiting payment
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17200 @ 0.00095846 = 16.4855 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: Let's narrow it. Yugo, Romanian or Russian? Which SKS handles "mice" best << i doubt yo ucould shoot mice indoors.
fluffypony: Naphex: sure, but we aren't watching transactions
fluffypony: Naphex: have you worked with listreceivedbyaddress at all?
ThickAsThieves: well, in my opinion, i think the hardware business is the most sensible aspect, and then the mineotour stuff a nice thing to branch into
ThickAsThieves: and 1 paybee gets tabled to be revisited in a year or whatever
fluffypony: ThickAsThieves: ok cool, I'll start reworking
fluffypony: Naphex: getting back to what you were saying - listreceivedbyaddress <minconf=1> <includeempty=false>
fluffypony: and once an amount is available in an address for the minimum number of confs it's in the json
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0425 = 0.2125 BTC [-]
fluffypony: (listreceivedbyaddress shows a "running total", of sorts, so you have to know what the previous value was to spot that it's changed, but that's trivial"
Naphex: fluffypony: i know, a lot of implos i reviewex had very bugged tracking
Naphex: thats why i was asking
fluffypony: Naphex: yeah I know, I struggled with the dynamics for a while before settling on "just poll the daemon"
fluffypony: early attempts were "just watch the blockchain", but altcoins implementations are so ridiculous
Naphex: mircea_popescu: wth, you have mice indoors?
mircea_popescu: Naphex presumably he's not about to run amok on a field shooting mice
BingoBoingo: Turns out it actually was a mouse and I had managed to dispatch it by stepping on it
ThickAsThieves: "Supreme Court says child porn victims can claim payment from anyone who has their images"
mircea_popescu: im curious if they'll STILL pretend like "nobody is pointing and laughing at the naked emperor".
assbot: Voicing zedong for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: speaking of cube sats : romania's first and so far only sat, a 10cm cube, was launched last year
mircea_popescu: fluffypony: davout: they're probably thinking they can just send a Raspberry Pi and an SSD up and it'll work <<< they shouldn't have to spring for a ssd.
mircea_popescu: amazon should pay for it, because this is so innovative and forward thinking anyway
benkay: well there's spacex, doing reusable launch vehicles
mircea_popescu: they'd recoup it all in no time because they'll get reddit gold and forum love.
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: maybe Amazon can just arrange for the CubeSat to be delivered into space by quadcopter
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.06544472 = 0.6544 BTC [-]
Naphex: what else is there to live for?
mircea_popescu: Dogecoin Low Orbiting Quadcopter-Launched, Sonar Linked Cloud Sattelite Without Carbon Footprint.
fluffypony: let's write a whitepaper and raise funds
fluffypony: basically everyone sends funds to a Bitcoin address, and then we convert that to SateliteCoinz that we give them
fluffypony: and then we spend all the money and don't do anything
mircea_popescu: btw davout that blondie said she's got tickets to whatever concert tonight.
ozbot: Bitcoin Address 1KHfLixa2idRnZXMUfEisBati1vpywaH6E
fluffypony: I swear, all you need is a whitepaper and a few media interviews
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10400 @ 0.0009596 = 9.9798 BTC [+] {2}
ThickAsThieves: there's no way in hell that much coin was spent on MaidSafe
assbot: Voicing joecool for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: hm. if gribble is not here to have not seen gribble, is gribble really gone ?
mircea_popescu: well if the secret is not really obivous : neobee claimed to have raised 5k btc. but they lied.
joecool: gribble will live on in our memory
mircea_popescu: the reason they lied is that the fuckwits on the forum like to invest if they perceive others have.
mircea_popescu: not that the fiat venture circuit is any different. we had a lol over this @con
assbot: Voicing the20year for 30 minutes.
joecool: so romania's space program is neck and neck with DPRK's?
the20year: Is there a way to ID with gribble if he isn't here?
the20year: Which is only slightly worse than DPRK
the20year: We located a potential property #7
Naphex: mircea_popescu: hitbtc says they got 7m usd, in investments
benkay: ThickAsThieves: software aguys?
the20year: Decent, started great, has slowed down. Could be due to market, could be due to dropping out on the CREI stuff
ThickAsThieves: benkay, the software team that was making all the Neo stuff, got stranded, etc
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.06776309 = 0.2033 BTC [+]
fluffypony: ThickAsThieves: are they locals or did some relocate there?
Naphex: neo drama killed lots of its momentum imo
benkay: 17,790 sold first week of 3PO; 1,465 second week, 1,785 third week. any estimates on how long it's going to take to clear the rest of your sale, the20year?
ThickAsThieves: they got about 80% done with varioud Neo projects and were never fully paid
fluffypony: find someone to relocate them to South Africa
benkay: STRANGE IDEAS, YOU SAY!
benkay: perhaps wifi in the cardano.
ThickAsThieves: and generally i met these guys and like them as people, so would hope that any bad ideas can be squashed earlier than later
ThickAsThieves: and maybe the crew here can help them see any weaknesses
Naphex: everybody throw a btc idea out there, as fast as possible :p
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 9 @ 0.0679895 = 0.6119 BTC [+] {2}
ThickAsThieves: nah i think their focus is in providing specialized bitcoin software solutions
fluffypony: benkay: sharpie in pooper = warm storage?
the20year: Benkay, at this rate 3-4 more weeks, but the funding ends on the 7th whether they sell or not
mike_c: some altcoin miner has a bad system clock.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3500 @ 0.00013124 = 0.4593 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.0683931 = 0.4104 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: <ThickAsThieves> they got about 80% done with varioud Neo projects and were never fully paid <<< unless some greenhorn makes the mistake of "buying it", in which case the 80% turns into... nothing at all.
davout: mircea_popescu: "btw davout that blondie said she's got tickets to whatever concert tonight." <<< wat
mircea_popescu: <ThickAsThieves> and generally i met these guys and like them as people, so would hope that any bad ideas can be squashed earlier than later << except that's not what they want. they want their stupidity to be empowered by incompetent management, exactly like brewster. which is why they worked for him rather than for me. the only thing they'd do differently, the ONLY thing, would be for it to "work" this time. by itsel
davout: mircea_popescu: my fucking log is pretty packed too, gotta buy a new one
ThickAsThieves: in debating whether to go to Amsterdam next month, my wife "you can't just go to Europe every month!" me: "why not? i can do whatever i want"
assbot: Voicing BigBitz for 30 minutes.
gribble: Nick 'BigBitz', with hostmask 'BigBitz!~BigBitz@dab.stonabox.me', is identified as user 'BigBitz', with GPG key id AB6B34E4289B7F96, key fingerprint E6D96C3A035A057AD9DD8A9DAB6B34E4289B7F96, and bitcoin address 1BigBitzyouKT2eVYvHbRUNMkCp9bvAvSu
BigBitz: Ah !up - didn't know the command. :)
BigBitz: ThickAsThieves go to Amsterdam. It's nice :)
mircea_popescu: HeySteve: "for the amount saved in mass, you may like to add extra avionics to BitSat." << satellite avionics ?
BigBitz: ThickAsThieves third time will be a charm then.
fluffypony: ThickAsThieves: so then come to glorious South Africa!
BigBitz: Meh isn't the AMS conference a flop?
mircea_popescu: "An SSD is non-magnetic storage, there is not really any protection needed. Put a metal case around it and im pretty sure it can drop from the atmosphere into the ground at free fall speed and still operate once free'd from the metal casing" <<< pretty sure is magic!
BigBitz: I want to go to South Africa, actually, fluffypony.
fluffypony: BigBitz: let me know if you want to come, you can take a turn past us and we can see how many bottles of wine we can get through
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: yeah that quote broke my brain
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: you should see where the comment thread went to from there, that guy was an idiot
BigBitz: fluffypony, awesome. I want go to Safari.
mircea_popescu: fluffypony there's a reason i don't read these things.
ThickAsThieves: i do have all these euros i converted at the airport that were of no use in ROmania
fluffypony: BigBitz: so many awesome safari places near us and up near Kruger park, so for definite let me know :)
BigBitz: Awesome. If I am there I will hit you up. :)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that zimbabwe oil thing and the peron cold fusion thing should make babies.
TomServo: asciilifeform: I believe BingoBoingo was inquiring about the rifles.
ThickAsThieves: <+fluffypony> ThickAsThieves: so then come to glorious South Africa! // my wife would be into that
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves so you shoot them, she hurries them to the animal er.
mircea_popescu: i'm the only one here that's actually shot things btw ?
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: I have, then I married a vegetarian, now I have to do it on the sly
benkay: i've also done the dirty work of laying birds in the field.
mircea_popescu: fluffypony maybe you should marry ThickAsThieves and your blondie his.
fluffypony: #bitcoin-assets...making swinging...interesting since April, 2012
mod6: i shoot phesants every fall.
fluffypony: mod6: I read that as "I shoot peasants" and I was like "ooooh, he must live in Australia"
mircea_popescu: two gypsies doing crossword puzzle. "haoleo metal prehtios din patru litere minca
TomServo: and see who comes back with a better rating?
mircea_popescu: fluffypony: well I suppose it's better than the "how come when you messaged that you love me you only put 2 exclamation marks when I put 4?" argument <<< you know, there's a relation between the welt count per butt and domestic bliss.
mircea_popescu: (if you're any good you can make them look like exclamation points, too)
kakobrekla: not looking so much for exchanging as to adding.
fluffypony: some prefer to bend, some prefer to send, I don't judge
mircea_popescu: moiety: voxer gives a location point on a map, thats even worse, i used to get "why were you not at your house?" << oi. ok that takes the fucking cake.
mircea_popescu: "because i felt like swallowing and i was fresh out of frozen splooge."
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chetty: asciilifeform, that sounds like a murican label
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i once rescued a damsel from a situation where her living space consisted of... kitchen. you could shower over the "toilet", and there was a small stove nearby.
mircea_popescu: davout i'm not the one that lost me A FORTUNE in bitcoinz
mircea_popescu: "MILK FUTURES RISE TO RECORD $24.29 PER 100 LBS IN CHICAGO. Who needs food anyway" << clearly, BingoBoingo isn't telling us everything.
mircea_popescu: sitting here scamming us about how he drinks hooch etc.
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moiety: mircea_popescu: that was the tip of the iceberg with that dude, total idiot. also, shower/kitchen is better than no living space at all!
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mircea_popescu: davout "technique and shit. i should've fucking figured that the french are going to pwn anything involving diddlage" ~mpoe-pr
davout: in which dictionary am i fucking supposed to look up "diddlage"
ozbot: Urban Dictionary: dildonics
assbot: Voicing Mats_cd03 for 30 minutes.
Mats_cd03: moiety, you know, youre my favorite
ozbot: Urban Dictionary: dildotics
moiety: am i the only one that ups you or something Mats_cd03
davout: moiety: that sounds a little dirty
fluffypony: Mats_cd03: they say you never forget your first time
moiety: davout: dude, i never think about that shit before i hit enter. i do it all the damn time, sorry
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32383 @ 0.00095377 = 30.8859 BTC [-]
Mats_cd03: usually i pester benkay, but hes probably wasted and tryna molest a deer in the woods
moiety: benkay broke me in before kakobrekla showed me how to do it myself ;P
moiety: i do know how that sounded though lol
Naphex: balauru inseamna pacatul, preotii recomanda rugaciunile pentru a proteja animalele din ogara
fluffypony: Naphex: translate plx, Google translate results are confusing
Mats_cd03: it has 'animal' in it, so he must be talking about animals
mircea_popescu: "dragon means sin, teh priests recomend prayer to protect domestic animals"
Naphex: fluffypony: its the same in romania
benkay: har if only i'd had the pleasure of breaking you in, moiety
fluffypony: makes more sense than Google translate: "Balauru means sin, priests prayers recommend to protect animals from Greyhound"
kakobrekla: re openrigs . the whole things is a fad just like diy water cooling was a fad 10 or 15 years ago
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves: isnt the "Bee" brand kinda taboo now? << very.
fluffypony: kakobrekla: that's fine, I'm not aiming to create a massive company that will be around forever, quite happy riding a wave, making money, and letting it wind down as we transition to the next thing
benkay: hey mircea_popescu and asciilifeform now that you've demo'd the cardano for the elite when do you start taking our btc for them?
fluffypony: as long as that wave is 5+ years and not 6 months
Mats_cd03: ive heard of gerbils, but this bees thing is new to me
moiety: will iget kicked for life if i say i thought the cardanos were cute?
benkay: i said nothing about pre-orders, asciilifeform.
kakobrekla: actually its even worse, the goal of water cooling was to spend money and look good, the goal of rigs is to make money looking like an idiot
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 485.18, Best ask: 487.0, Bid-ask spread: 1.82000, Last trade: 487.0, 24 hour volume: 6238.13274079, 24 hour low: 484.61, 24 hour high: 495.2, 24 hour vwap: 0
fluffypony: kakobrekla: well, it's also a cheaper proposition - our market isn't only people-with-$$$, the BOINC/Folding@Home crowd need better cooling than 20cm fans in an ATX case but they can't afford / don't want to spend money on water cooling or mineral oil immersion
fluffypony: but sure, in 5-10 years when GPUs are all mini-PCI-e size, it's different
mircea_popescu: fluffypony: ThickAsThieves: it's purposely light on numbers <<< that's stupid.
mircea_popescu: benkay: the only thing that makes sense to actually pursue is the rack building thing, and that will live and die by whether or not you can land your asic partner. everything else is just like "woahaoaowwywowao i want to do all these different bitcoin things!" << undersigned.
benkay: yup starts with a piano designed for tingles
kakobrekla: asciilifeform i have build many but now i have a fan solution that is quieter than any pump.
benkay: ew wtf is this plinky plonk guitar
benkay: Mats_cd03: i have joins/parts turned off
benkay: so just msg me when you want up
benkay: although you gotta cut it out with this gay house/trance/whatever shit
benkay bobs head sarcastically
bounce: soundcloud keeps on finding ways to suck more
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22350 @ 0.00095588 = 21.3639 BTC [+]
benkay: one of my normal haunts recently tried to play pandora plus in two separate locations in their joint
benkay: subjected everyone within earshot to endless "your pandora plus account is being used elsewhere"
assbot: I don't give a shit who saw what and who did what or who did who.
benkay: basically guaranteed that nobody in that cafe will ever give pandora another damn dime.
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kakobrekla: asciilifeform but back in the day people were doing it mostly to show off and oc.
bounce: that's a clear case of not fscking around with the cooling
bounce: what's in there though, a pI? how much heat does it produce?
kakobrekla: anyway, with todays tech you can get silence with air. i dont hear my box even if its on full load.
fluffypony: I remember trying to watercool a peltier cooler on my Pentium
bounce: that's what, 2x40W tdp?
kakobrekla: we ripped the interior air heating radiators from cars
kakobrekla: way before you could buy stuff off shelf
davout: mircea_popescu: "vwap 0 srsly ?" <<< where are the puts when you need them?
fluffypony: ;;rate los_pantalones 1 hooked a brother up with some cleverness
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bounce: freebsd 4 best freebsd
bounce: oh right. no, I didn't have fancy new hardware.
kakobrekla: the cooling is not hooked up on the pic
kakobrekla: it was not the first or the last or the best but yea.
bounce: used a dual ppro for a while, though it wasn't mine and I had to give it back eventually.
mircea_popescu: on the page where one can submit documents to be verified, add a link to a textfile constructed as gpg -export-pubkey -a | gpg --clearsign -a
mircea_popescu: and add a simple html form where i can dump my files as a gpg -r -a
Naphex: mircea_popescu: will do
mircea_popescu: this substantially improves your security and helps a lot of things
Naphex: ill add it to tasks, i like the idea
mircea_popescu: if you're concerned about getting spammed simply make a sensible limit per upload (5mb ?) and only keep one record per account (the last)
Naphex: all uploada are limited
Naphex: yep. i'll add it. i like gpg
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.51991795 = 1.5598 BTC [-] {3}
gribble: Nick 'Naphex', with hostmask 'Naphex!~naphex@btcxchange.ro', is not identified.
mircea_popescu: Naphex well if you like gpg add a gpg sig to gribble wot so i can get your pubkey.
davout: Naphex: since when is your exchange up?
Naphex: davout: around december
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davout: open outside romania too ?
Naphex: mircea_popescu: i will. only have special keys for docs and ndas
fluffypony: lawl, wife has fallen asleep watching Numbers
Naphex: kakobrekla: ron is the only fiat atm
Naphex: but you can withdar eur
Naphex: and get soke bank conversion fees
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla or you could register a ro corp like sane ppls.
kakobrekla: what is it with you and corps, you speak of it like a hobby
kakobrekla: anyway i dun think its opening of corps that makes you a biz man
Naphex: kakobrekla: so RON/BTC is the only pair atm, with EUR,others to come soon while we still work some stuff out.
Naphex: we have sepa so you can withdraw eur, with way bigger fees
Naphex: same day delivery in romania though, so primary market
kakobrekla: its just side effect, not a pleasant one
davout: mircea popescovitch investment fund?
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller can i pay you to send davout a cookie ?
davout: Naphex: what's your plan regarding financial regulation?
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Naphex: davout: i'm not the best to ask about financial stuff. but therese lawyers, and accountants and other people
davout: mircea_popescu: send half a bitcoin, that'll do just fine
fluffypony: thank goodness, I'd like to sleep tonight
Naphex: davout: from the little i understand, its mostly sorted and all authorities consulted
davout: mircea_popescu: already rated you for it! you get 4 nao
davout: Naphex: doesn't really look it
kakobrekla: one day imma gonna link you to taht -pr post that sez its not all in the sum
Naphex: davout: what do you mean?
assbot: Voicing thestringpuller for 30 minutes.
numerisTrade: mircea_popescu, you will not share any details before having them posted there, will you? :)
davout: Naphex: i mean it's usually required from corps that handle fiat funds on behalf of third parties to be financially registered, which doesn't appear to be the case
Naphex: davout: not sure how to answer that, or if a financiall registration is required. but all is operating completly legally
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform get used to it, gc is what a cto of law is called.
mircea_popescu: Naphex that can't be a gc, it has to be a corp officer. he can hire whoever, but ultimately signs off on it.
davout: mircea_popescu Naphex i'm afraid lawyers don't have a lot of clues when dealing with bitcoin, iirc gox had baker & mc kenzie
davout: didn't prevent them from being buttraped on multiple legal accts
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 5 @ 0.14 = 0.7 BTC
davout: mircea_popescu: before as well iirc
mircea_popescu: and only because the two idiot investors who had enough sense that they shouldn't have been invested in the first place insisted.
Naphex: and bank relations are great
Naphex: and everyone can do whatever they do best
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15600 @ 0.00095588 = 14.9117 BTC [+]
davout: Naphex: your banking relationship may be great, but as soon as you handle someone else's fiat by opening them an account, allowing them to cash in and out, you need a financial registration
BingoBoingo: TomServo: Problem resolved. Literally stepped on it.
davout: thestringpuller: chocolate chip is cool
Naphex: davout: there is no _need_ for it atm.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: There's also a deadly form of porcine mega shits killing off the pork here
Naphex: what financial registration are you reffering to? does one exist?;o
ozbot: btcXchange.ro - The first Bitcoin exchange in Romania
Naphex: the firm is registerd, and registration printed
davout: that's something different
davout: look up the european payments service directive
davout: the easiest is a payments service provider license
Naphex: sorry davout, can't answer much on that field.
davout: Naphex: tbh i like that answer much better than "all is fine we don't need one" :-)
Naphex: davout: thats as far as i know lol
Naphex: also i'm paid to code the stuff up. and make sure it doesn't get owned.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Stepped on it with show. Also the mouse was actuall a mouse. Was skittering around the garage while I was trying to IRC and smoke cigarettes in it.
Naphex: mircea_popescu: i will tomorrow :P
Naphex: with more but on different projects
Naphex: there'se 3 more working on a bitcoin atm
jurov: benkay: i'm offering some s.nsa shares at bargain ( 0.00029 )
davout: do a simple test, ask the legal person, or whatever lawyer you have the following question : "do we need some sort of financial license to do what we do?"
jurov: that ask won't stay long there
assbot: Last trade for S.NSA on MPEX was at 0.00016371 BTC [+]
davout: if the answer is something along the lines of "no, because bitcoin isn't regulated", then you should run awat
jurov: if you feel like investing
assbot: [MPEX:S.NSA] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.000146 / 0.00016372 / 0.00018 (27190 shares, 4.45 BTC), 30D: 0.000146 / 0.0001634 / 0.00018 (28341 shares, 4.63 BTC)
Naphex: davout: that question i've asked. and thats the answer I received. That by Romanian law everything required we have to operate.
Naphex: now don't know the specifics. but i will foward the european payment systems thingie, and see what answer comes
davout: Naphex: basically, the idea is that bitcoin isn't the issue,
Naphex: no fiat withdrawals/deposits
benkay: how is that a bargain at all, jurov ?!
davout: you could trade potatoes it wouldn't make anything different
davout: "no fiat withdrawals/deposits" << what?
davout: the issue is on the fiat side
jurov: bankay they're worth much more
assbot: Last trade for S.NSA on MPEX was at 0.00016371 BTC [+]
jurov: once the word goes out
mike_c: hm, that is not right.
davout: Naphex: allrighty, have fun looking it all up :D
mike_c: assbot should be better at that than anyone.
assbot: Last trade for S.NSA on MPEX was at 0.00016371 BTC [+]
jurov: assbot got no depth
davout: mike_c jurov don't panic, it's actually mpex that's all upside down, assbot is fine
mircea_popescu: actual last trade was X, but actual last trade AS REPORTED by assbot is y
mircea_popescu: [MPEX] [S.NSA] 27190 @ 0.00016371 = 4.4513 BTC [+] {4}
jurov: asciilifeform: i think nobody knows yet about cardano outside of our little circle
jurov: i dun see any luddite journo interns asking about it
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fluffypony: my favourite line in it: "This ensures lowest value of the coin, the exchange price will be different, most likely higher"
jurov: right, hire satan as PR
jurov: if mp can have pet manticore, why not?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo you happen to have a loglink to where i propositioned you to do atc investment for me ?
BingoBoingo: It was pretty soon after I took herbi's ATC and BTC
BingoBoingo: Yeah, Oh February 16th-ish is when it started
mike_c: hehe, guarantcoin comment: "Looks good; Nice logo as well."
ozbot: #bitcoin-assets log
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30200 @ 0.0009547 = 28.8319 BTC [-]
jurov: ;;google "the Bitcoin Manticore"
fluffypony: mike_c: the comments are a cesspool of stupidity..."Wow! Finally coin with the future!"
mike_c: well, most of them are socks. but yes, very amusing.
ozbot: The wunderbar S.MPIF pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21700 @ 0.0009543 = 20.7083 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: Voicing phish for 30 minutes.
BingoBoingo: I wonder who all is getting tapped for S.MPIF
BingoBoingo: The hangover suggested it would be a good idea
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.0683931 = 0.342 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: I wouldn't be where I am today without the ability to swiftly dispatch a hangover
gribble: Nick 'kakobrekla', with hostmask 'kakobrekla!~kako@unaffiliated/kakobrekla', is identified as user 'kakobrekla', with GPG key id 27AF75321F2489E8, key fingerprint 27C3CE9A20851312F086268C27AF75321F2489E8, and bitcoin address None
fluffypony: BingoBoingo: likewise...I just find myself way too unproductive for the first ~4 hours after waking up if I'm hanging like a little bitch
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32400 @ 0.00095197 = 30.8438 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 90 @ 0.0618981 = 5.5708 BTC [-] {9}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.0678 = 0.339 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 78 @ 0.00482011 = 0.376 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 24 @ 0.00518408 = 0.1244 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Still no reply from srgexpert
ozbot: The Patrick Harnett saga continues pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
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fluffypony: “My cofounder turned down a job at Google to focus on our company.” Translation: He applied for an internship a while back and it fell through.
fluffypony: can we file that with the "world class mathematicians" involved in every cryptocurrency-related project?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform are you this Arlyn Culwick fellow and trolling me ?
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: plz sort creditsout noa
bounce: you more or less missed a chance to snag a few subs for essentially free down in the crimea
bounce: fighting the current, technically
jurov: as soon as the current starts to change, parasite reactances appear
bounce: so what is the resistance and what the impedance of... the local beach?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31262 @ 0.00095093 = 29.728 BTC [-]
bounce: you need to speka lisp-a to understand-a
assbot: Voicing davide for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: "Additionally, algorithms from the NSA are considered a sort of alien technology: they come from a superior race with no explanations."
mircea_popescu: gotta love how schneier sticks these psy-ops little turds in everything he writes.
bounce: though the real question is, is that a /signed/ tag?
mircea_popescu: yo, bruce, wakeup call : the nsa is about as fucktartded as you are. srsly.
bounce: actually, no. they employ a fsckton of mathematicians and they know everything that's in the open plus an unspecified amount we don't know about. best guess (last I heard) was that they're about five years ahead of the open community with the research
bounce: you can see how that works in, say, DES, where the NSA suggested stuff that turned out to be resistant to a type of attack not known publically at the time DES was finalised
mircea_popescu: if spending money solved problems the phoenician empire'd still be a thing.
mircea_popescu: nobody is denying a lot of smart people work for the nsa.
mircea_popescu: heck, a lot of smart people worked for microsoft, and alcatel, and whatever other pointless dinosaur. adobe.
mircea_popescu: for all the brilliant russians living in the 70s, the ussr was dumb as rocks.
bounce: yeah, but we're not talking NSA as a whole. we're talking the stuff that comes out of there in the form of algorithms
mircea_popescu: it's not clear why this reclassification'd be useful to your position.
Apocalyptic: "best guess (last I heard) was that they're about five years ahead of the open community with the research" that may have been accurate a few years ago
mircea_popescu: as the things stand right now, they never had an internal bitcoin,
mircea_popescu: and while we know what they don't know, they don't know what we know.
Apocalyptic: a possible explanation may be that cryptography as a field wasn't that broad in academia back then
bounce: still, they know what we know plus a bunch we don't know much about. we don't know how big it is, we don't know what it does. for that reason you have to be careful with their "gifts". that's the point he's making.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1927 @ 0.0001357 = 0.2615 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: <bounce> still, they know what we know plus a bunch << this is strictly false.
mircea_popescu: because you imagine perfect knowledge ("everyone publishes everything they know and everyone reads it all") to get your result
mircea_popescu: anyway. i know what he's pretending he's trying to say, but that ain't at all what he;s saying. what he's saying is "resistence is futile", that's the message, and it's a ridiculous.
bounce: that's not how I read it
mircea_popescu: now without offense, let me just propose to you as a theory that it's possible you'd not know how you read it. in the same sense advertising works.
bounce: wouldn't surprise me if the NSA has everyone with a little crypto knowledge on watchlists just to see the privately-circulating papers
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 45 @ 0.00509 = 0.2291 BTC [-]
bounce: I think you're reaching with that line of reasoning. I know how I read it and I disagree with how you read it. I will allow that a-priori notions on either side (or both) might have something to do with the interpretation.
bounce: you might ask him which he ment, and why. :-)
mircea_popescu: i might as well ask obama if he really meant i can keep my insurance.
bounce: c'mon, cook up a nice 20 questions to finnagle the truth out of oracle schneier
bounce: and you care about that, how? o_O?
mircea_popescu: that's the trick with "being insulted" : it affords plausible deniability to they who don't want to have the truth extracted.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37550 @ 0.00095066 = 35.6973 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: anyway, re your "you're reaching" comment, i told a story at teh conference that should prolly be on the record.
mircea_popescu: so, as kids, one party game was to whistle into an old, low baud modem. they were slow enough that it was still sort-of feasible. the game was, who gets the modem going for longer thinking it's got a sane modem on the other end
mircea_popescu: (trivial to observe when it noticed you're human because of the very distinctive "error pls to start over" tone"
mircea_popescu: i believe that's really the model for all communication.
bounce: doing a little survey among cryptographers of name with how and at what size they assess the NSA's knowledge advandage, if any, might be interesting. doing it every couple years maybe even moreso.
bounce: I don't think all communication is quite that lopsided, to be honest.
mircea_popescu: ils ne se servent de la pensée que pour autoriser leurs injustices, et emploient les paroles que pour déguiser leurs pensées
bounce: then again, much of it isn't quite so very good either.
mircea_popescu: what i meant was strictly this, that your particular response matched what i may have accepted as proof that you indeed may know how you read it.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28700 @ 0.00095123 = 27.3003 BTC [+] {2}
bounce: lopsided isn't really the word. somehow a better word eludes me for the moment.
bounce: context? wild guess says using fn return instead of errno like it should've been used
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11400 @ 0.00095161 = 10.8484 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.512 = 1.024 BTC [-] {2}
ozbot: Loper OS » A Country of Which Nothing is Known but the Name.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.51999999 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: so on the very good news front, i've already lined up 4 managers for s.mpif, whole shebang nominally worth a little north of 170 btc atm.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15625 @ 0.00095284 = 14.8881 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: because...well... they use the mpex shareholding model.
mircea_popescu: apparently this is possible in fiat just fine. whodda thunk it.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.06792804 = 0.4755 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.06869835 = 0.5496 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: right. what's "impossible" is just admitting mp has the power to make the impossible quite possible.
mike_c: mircea_popescu: will piffy managers and projects be announced?
mike_c: follow up question: is BingoBoingo all 4 managers? ;)
mircea_popescu: mike_c actually i'll bet you a certain pizza you won't be able to guess all 4.
mircea_popescu: you get a list as long as you wish, provided you publish it by tomorrow.
mike_c: i hate to turn down action, but feels like a tough wager. there are a lot of people i don't know.
mircea_popescu: im known for my tough wagers and an almost fanatical devotion to the poke.
gribble: You rated user mike_c on Tue Mar 25 20:15:55 2014, with a rating of 3, and supplied these additional notes: blogger, dev.
jurov: soooo... should i stay up to add S.MPIF to coinbr or it can wait?
mircea_popescu: jurov can wait, the contract'll be up at a sane time, but in a few days.
BingoBoingo: I'm kind of curious what other markets S.MPIF is going to venture into
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform actually it's devilishly simple. you'll see after a few monthly reports.
mircea_popescu: no robots. unlike the alex chick i'm an ACTUAL luddite. i use people.
mike_c: buying houses in ohio?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I prefer meat bot to describe my role in this
mike_c: lol. argentina house flipping!
mircea_popescu: this makes it fair for BingoBoingo, seeing how mike_c also knew 1.
kakobrekla: i have two low-mid series pcb manufacturers in 5km radius