assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.275 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 1.37 = 6.85 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 1.3799 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 12 @ 0.037 = 0.444 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 3 @ 0.1401 = 0.4203 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [FN] [COG.F2] 1 @ 1.5 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [FN] [DMS.SELLING] 1796 @ 0.00500843 = 8.9951 BTC [-] {7}
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 24 @ 1.275 = 30.6 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6650 @ 0.00083983 = 5.5849 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 1.38 = 2.76 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 4 @ 1.328 = 5.312 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.01310044 = 1.31 BTC [-] {8}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7000 @ 0.00083846 = 5.8692 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [PETA-MINE] 1 @ 0.45 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [FN] [BTC-GROWTH] 285 @ 0.0800407 = 22.8116 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 93 @ 0.03853763 = 3.584 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [BTCTC] [FN] [DMS.SELLING] 2000 @ 0.00500024 = 10.0005 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.328 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [FN] [BTC-GROWTH] 35 @ 0.07977142 = 2.792 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.3285 = 2.657 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1574 @ 0.00084028 = 1.3226 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 13 @ 0.00998992 = 0.1299 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.329 = 2.658 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 97 @ 0.00999555 = 0.9696 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 17 @ 1.329 = 22.593 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.333 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.38 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 20210 @ 0.00013367 = 2.7015 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 6155 @ 0.00013216 = 0.8134 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 2265 @ 0.000131 = 0.2967 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1915 @ 0.00083846 = 1.6057 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.MINING] 76 @ 0.00136 = 0.1034 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 1831 @ 0.0001307 = 0.2393 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.MINING] 148 @ 0.00123 = 0.182 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 2 @ 0.36010004 = 0.7202 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 1.374999 = 13.75 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 1.3985 = 13.985 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6000 @ 0.0008323 = 4.9938 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 12 @ 0.04149 = 0.4979 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 19841 @ 0.0001403 = 2.7837 BTC [+]
dub: ;;isitdown bitcointalk.org
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 26 @ 0.009001 = 0.234 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3100 @ 0.0008323 = 2.5801 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 10 @ 1.45719999 = 14.572 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [BTCTC] [ESECURITYSABTC] 2 @ 0.135 = 0.27 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-TRADING-PT] 5 @ 0.034 = 0.17 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.261 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 1000 @ 0.0001402 = 0.1402 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.MINING] 3000 @ 0.00121905 = 3.6572 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 3066 @ 0.00014799 = 0.4537 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.44 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 17000 @ 0.00017053 = 2.899 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 8 @ 0.12 = 0.96 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 14 @ 0.01375 = 0.1925 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 2000 @ 0.0001408 = 0.2816 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 1.4 BTC [+]
VanCleef: ITS BACK MP ITS BACK, thank christ
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 1082 @ 0.01419516 = 15.3592 BTC [+] {10}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 8 @ 1.4399875 = 11.5199 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [BTCTC] [B] [CIPHERMINE.B1] 16 @ 0.00812487 = 0.13 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12885 @ 0.00083583 = 10.7697 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [CIPHERMINE-PT] 70 @ 0.03 = 2.1 BTC [-]
Diablo-D3: but... Ive been here! the whole time!
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 3514 @ 0.0001418 = 0.4983 BTC [+]
gribble: Bugpowder was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 4 days, 12 hours, 7 minutes, and 10 seconds ago: <Bugpowder> So the mechs thing was a hoax or waht?
ozbot: MPEx breach - post mortem pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 54 @ 0.03379054 = 1.8247 BTC [-] {9}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1300 @ 0.00083923 = 1.091 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 69 @ 0.0145 = 1.0005 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 365 @ 0.00083847 = 0.306 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [FN] [DMS.PURCHASE] 31 @ 0.006211 = 0.1925 BTC [-]
jurov: cuz nobody is admiting it
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8741 @ 0.00083213 = 7.2736 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 16 @ 0.0145 = 0.232 BTC [+]
ozbot: BitBet - Bitcoin ATM will have at least one ATM unit up and running by the end of September 2013
jurov: bitbet time runs too fast
mircea_popescu: it's like... two weeks normal time turn into 18 months of bitbet time.
mod6: benkay_: Ahh, I've read more now on the urbit. I see what you mean by the 9-times thing as temporary. And after reading Datskovskiy's comments it's interesting that it was put in to begin with.
mod6: has anyone had trouble with the urbit terminal being like really slow?
mod6: (was worse before the update it seems to me... but still laaags a bit.)
jurov: should be compiled with -O99 -funroll-all-loops
mircea_popescu: (TLDR: to keep using Urbit, delete all your pre-10/6 data, git pull the source again, make clean, make, and start over. Your destroyers and tickets will keep working. No, this will not keep happening, though it may happen once or twice again.) << preserved for futurosity.
mod6: yeah, that was pretty interesting. like the first day I look into it, i have to blow everything away and start over.
mircea_popescu: well at least 11k people have watching and thus therefore everyone knows the guy's name and admires his work or how did it go.
mod6: jurov: you trollin'?
mod6: mircea_popescu: yeah, i recloned the repos and rebuilt. works fine. it's early in the project so, yeah shit happens.
mod6: jurov: -funroll-all-loops
mod6: Perform the optimization of loop unrolling. This is done for all loops and usually makes programs run more slowly. `-funroll-all-loops' implies `-fstrength-reduce' as well as `-frerun-cse-after-loop'.
jurov: mod6 yeah trolling... couldn't resist as long-time gentoo user :)
jurov: au! don't tell me you *did* recompile it?
mod6: yeah, it seems that this guy Curtis Yarvin kinda goes against the grain with this one. im not a haskell guy or what not, so I'm not real sure what to think just yet.
mod6: im a dumbass for listening to you
mircea_popescu: well i guess i get to use kako's bash for the first time ever.
mod6: i tried to find a solution to this problem on the fuckin google groups thing and there was a thread about it.
mod6: but it wasn't helpful what-so-ever.
mod6: maybe its just a pile of shit
mod6: im not sure what to think about this thing yet.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 100 @ 0.00126896 = 0.1269 BTC [+] {2}
mod6: well, either do i. i was just trolled by jurov.
mod6: im gonna quit this shit and go work at walmart selling plants.
mircea_popescu: you could put on a bikini, place yourself in a pot and sell yourself as a bikini clad potted plant.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 347 @ 0.0145 = 5.0315 BTC [+]
mod6: haha. i'll even do a dance move for a quick .01 BTC
mod6: aight, now that i've got this thing back to non-suck mode...
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 20 @ 0.0146 = 0.292 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: This will replace all the Arvo code, including Hoon in Hoon itself, and keep your data intact - even running processes.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 17 @ 0.01481954 = 0.2519 BTC [+] {4}
mod6: yeah, thats pretty awesome.
mircea_popescu: when was the last time, say, a Google app lost your data?
mircea_popescu: or no wait. what was it, that polish exchange that mtgox boight
mircea_popescu: because the guy had all the btc in the cloud and lost the instance.
mod6: i wanna say that happened a few times even.
jurov: but afaik urbit has everything versioned
mircea_popescu: "<mircea_popescu> hi all." < i said something on #urbit.
mod6: haha, nice. i just joined in over there a few mins ago too.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 0.1331 BTC [+]
mod6: CY said he didn't want to do an irc channel because urbit can be sort of like IRC in and of itself. but in the mean time he'll set one up until it gets further along.
mod6: i figure, maybe they can help my urbit n00bness until i get my sealegs.
jurov: these ships...it's a PONZI
mod6: are you getting good with hoon, jurov
jurov: no only read these docs and filed it for later
mod6: ahh. im trying to familiarize myself with these 'runes'
mod6: its not as bad as brainfuck, but not by much
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8300 @ 0.00083632 = 6.9415 BTC [+] {2}
jurov: decided to do some overdue upgrades instead...got unexpected 50% cpu usage decrease :)
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 800 @ 0.00015 = 0.12 BTC [-] {3}
mod6: i haven't used an LSB system since i worked on porting fbsd to sparc64
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6250 @ 0.00083923 = 5.2452 BTC [+]
mod6: heheh, well since x86 intel, its not been nearly as widely used. i think that network addresses are all passed in lsb though, and then they added htonl/s ntohl/s for translation, etc.
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 23200 @ 0.00017773 = 4.1233 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 20 @ 0.01375 = 0.275 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12286 @ 0.00083404 = 10.247 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 10 @ 0.01375 = 0.1375 BTC [-]
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 135.75000, Best ask: 136.00000, Bid-ask spread: 0.25000, Last trade: 135.75000, 24 hour volume: 6768.60069259, 24 hour low: 134.10000, 24 hour high: 139.00000, 24 hour vwap: 136.55720
bitesak: there is a new listing on mpex ! whoooa
mod6: cool, there is a hoon.vim
mod6: just a vim script for unix so the syntax can be color-highlighted. didn't mean to get yall excited.
mod6: there is another that seems to try to translate scribbles to runes, but I haven't gotten it to work on my vim yet.
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 29 @ 0.0415331 = 1.2045 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9750 @ 0.00083877 = 8.178 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 7 @ 0.04 = 0.28 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: i suspect this is currently the largest productivity sink in it.
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 4 @ 0.088 = 0.352 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [B] [CIPHERMINE.B1] 100 @ 0.008 = 0.8 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4337 @ 0.0008323 = 3.6097 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 0.1331 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 38 @ 0.00295875 = 0.1124 BTC [+] {2}
mod6: this urbit thing is wacky
ozbot: Argentina's president Cristina Fernandez suffers brain haematoma | World news | theguardian.com
assbot: [BTCTC] [FN] [COG.F2] 1 @ 2.39 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: "Leather Goddesses of Phobos 2: Gas Pump Girls Meet the Pulsating Inconvenience from Planet X!"
assbot: [BTCTC] [FN] [COG.F2] 1 @ 2.8 BTC [+]
mod6: its like i wanna go down this rabbit hole and figure this thing out, but I don't think im smart enough or something.
mod6: the guy says, "urbit will always run on top of unix." but d00d also wants this to surpass *nix at some point...
mod6: (Chapter 1.7): If a real OS runs on the bare hardware and is preemptive, it’s clear that Arvo is not a real OS and will never be one. It will always run on Unix. Of course in a sense it comes to bury Unix, but also to praise it - to imitate it - and even to surpass it.
mod6: Unix today is ancient, bloated and debilitated, but its historic greatness is eternal. Comparing Unix to other OSes of its time is comparing Shakespeare to other playwrights of his time.
mod6: But, ya know, times change. How do we surpass Unix? We’ve got two words for you - typed pipes!
mod6: So far, and i've only spent a few hours on it, but I'm so hoplessly lost on hoon, that i don't see how this could be more useful than unix at this point.
mod6: i mean, it needs unix to run to begin with... so wtf
mod6: at somepoint it'll have to run out of a chip directly or some other interpreter or interface to wholly replace unix
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 23 @ 1.43852172 = 33.086 BTC [-] {5}
mod6: I still think its pretty cool, and I'm probably just derp. But I'm not convinced that I'm not being trolled somehow.
mircea_popescu: if indeed the specification is as short as presented, it's prolly trivial to build asics that execute it natively
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8350 @ 0.00084024 = 7.016 BTC [+] {2}
mod6: yeah, the nock is like, very short. and the hoon compiler itself is really small.
assbot: [BTCTC] [B] [CIPHERMINE.B1] 56 @ 0.008 = 0.448 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [FN] [COG.F] 1 @ 1.99 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 15 @ 0.04 = 0.6 BTC [-]
mod6: anyway, i dunno, i still think its pretty neat if its not an epic troll. i submitted for my destroyers, so we'll see where that goes.
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 15894 @ 0.0001812 = 2.88 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 6599 @ 0.00020115 = 1.3274 BTC [+] {3}
mod6: haha, none i guess. i just hope that even if it is a troll, it can be made into something useful.
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 900 @ 0.000226 = 0.2034 BTC [+] {2}
KRS1: good morning from the states.
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 7 @ 1.445 = 10.115 BTC [+]
mod6: (What happens if there’s an error? Like, a type error? Duh, the compiler crashes. Hey, at Yale, what do they do if there’s an error? I don’t know but it’s probably some kind of fancy exception thing.
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 850 @ 0.000226 = 0.1921 BTC [+]
mod6: it'd be cool to see if all of these destroyers can easily talk to one-another from distributed hosts worldwide. then maybe it'd be neat to try to develop a p2p or distributed encrypted irc network.
mod6: either public or private nodes.
daybyter: make smartphone nodes. They are harder to block...
mod6: the syntax is so gnarly that it seems like it would be hard to develop, but i suppose that one you get the hang of it...
mircea_popescu: that funny moment when you realise urbit is discussed in 500 lines on #bitcoin-assets and in 5 lines on #urbit
mod6: daybyter: its too bad really, these devices are like the NSA data-collector nodes. i don't even trust the snapdragon chips in 'em any more really.
mircea_popescu: mod6 wasn't implying it's a bad thing, on the contrary
daybyter: but it's easier to shutdown servers than mobiles...
mod6: for instance, in current form, urbit does key-gen right off the start. i'd hesitate to launch an instance with that software thats native (unless rooted and running something like cyanogen -- even then do we trust that either?)
mod6: and besides do we trust chip makers any more either?
mircea_popescu: mod6 im listening to this and pasting in the nsa "to do" list :D
mod6: i suppose that something like urbit could actually live inside of other software eventually as some sort of embedded system. or if it ever took the leap to native hardware, it could run on some sort of FPGA or pre-set asic chip.
mod6: someone needs to write a network stack for it.
mod6: lol that'll be ishy in hoon!
mod6: oo started a fire in her panties huh?
KRS1: lol nice whats that a transistor
blastbob: they say its 2-3 boards this has happend to, but not confirmed
ThickAsThieves: i only have intro knowledge of these things, but i'd guess a small transformer
mircea_popescu: A year after the 1994 Digital Telephony bill passed, the FBI disclosed plans to require the phone companies to build into their infrastructure the capacity to simultaneously wiretap one percent of all phone calls in all major US cities. This would represent more than a thousandfold increase over previous levels in the number of phones that could be wiretapped. In previous years, there were only about 1000 court-ordered w
mircea_popescu: year, at the federal, state, and local levels combined.
ozbot: Phil Zimmermann's Senate Testimony
mod6: ya my guy says they are caps too
ThickAsThieves: i suppose it would be weird to have that many small transistors anyway
mod6: lol he says its 'bodged'
mod6: he says he could be wrong and they might be 'some kinda funky resistor'
mod6: HEH. been here all night talkin about urbit :]
mircea_popescu: yeah what im getting as most likely story is that they bought as cheap parts as they could find, and ended up with a batch of shitty caps.
KRS1: stack the rest of the yams in my auntie's house..and then what!
assbot: [BTCTC] [FN] [BTC-GROWTH] 103 @ 0.0848997 = 8.7447 BTC [+] {2}
KRS1: peace out folks time to get fresh and jump into one of them cars
mod6: that one comes straight from GM 'eh? is that the 502?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 14 @ 0.0136 = 0.1904 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9350 @ 0.00084028 = 7.8566 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 15905 @ 0.00015472 = 2.4608 BTC [-] {6}
KRS1: we are a couple of long time gear heads I have a 1986 t-top mustang 5.0 drag car thats real fun dont get much chance to play with it though.
KRS1: thats not the 502 its a small block stroked to 400+ ci all fuel injected obviously
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1900 @ 0.00083206 = 1.5809 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 50000 @ 0.00015287 = 7.6435 BTC [-] {10}
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 44410 @ 0.00015008 = 6.6651 BTC [-] {7}
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 10000 @ 0.00015 = 1.5 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 22 @ 1.36245454 = 29.974 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 17 @ 1.32882352 = 22.59 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 51 @ 0.0130049 = 0.6632 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 1.3218222 = 6.6091 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 1.3 = 6.5 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 2722 @ 0.0001502 = 0.4088 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 500 @ 0.00026845 = 0.1342 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 2000 @ 0.0001502 = 0.3004 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 10908 @ 0.00015009 = 1.6372 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 19603 @ 0.0001481 = 2.9032 BTC [-]
gecko_x2: forgot to check if i have any btc there :\
ozbot: Btct.co - Is Btct Down Right Now?
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-TRADING-PT] 13 @ 0.033 = 0.429 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: yes, but he had hinted that it would be late in the day, if I recall
turbo_ac100: gecko_x2, site seems up but API access doesn't work
Rulother: so tat how many transfers are you working on?
ThickAsThieves: all are xfers other than TAT.AM are caught up and awaiting assistance from the exchange operators to render the shares
ThickAsThieves: as manual rendering of shares would be insanely time-consuming
Rulother: Well I had my shit transfered to Havelock
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5354 @ 0.00083667 = 4.4795 BTC [+]
ozbot: Smarter $100 bill goes into circulation tomorrow | The Verge
ThickAsThieves: Burnside is selling the site software with a condition that whomever uses it must block US users.
Rulother: Ciphermine wanted to buy it didn
kakobrekla: cipermine sold 5btw of shares to pay for her wedding
kakobrekla: acting like she is capable of reglbseing it
mircea_popescu: whoever made network connectors so that usb sticks fit neatly inside IS A FUCKING IDIOT
ozbot: Global DNS Propagation Checker - What's My DNS?
kakobrekla: i mean your federal state in your dns server
ThickAsThieves: i assume those are cooperating providers that are just reporting what DNS they see for any given domain
ThickAsThieves: not sure it has anything to do with the DNS of the site
kakobrekla: maybe not in btctc's case but otherwse
ThickAsThieves: btct is also using cloudflare, those two long addresses
ThickAsThieves: i have people transferring AM-PT shares to me which i can't verify...
Kleeck__: Well, maybe someone should've taken care of his share transfers BEFORE vacationing in Cyprus! ;P
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.47989999 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: and migrating before I left would've been impossible time-wise
imsaguy: Kleeck__, he's online now, isn't he?
jcpham: i haerd burnside was playing a halloween prank and btct.cp isn't actually closing
imsaguy: "now with improved security!"
imsaguy: "We hash your passwords 100000 times"
bitesak: I trust the businessing is with Bitcoins ?
jcpham: seems like dramatalk would hire smf dev
jcpham: is there a such thing as a simple machines dev
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00285551 = 0.2856 BTC [-] {4}
Kleeck__: Btct.co is down for me now as well, ThickAsThieves
imsaguy: Is there a bet for how long until the forum passwords are cracked?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 15 @ 0.01359998 = 0.204 BTC [-]
Kleeck__: Last I heard the "sample list" was a verified fake.
mircea_popescu: <imsaguy> "We hash your passwords 100000 times" << this.
ThickAsThieves: Havelock rocks. They built a special tool just for me to process migrations :)
Rulother: What was the word from them regarding allowing new assets to come over
ThickAsThieves: I don't know the official word, but I think they denied most, if not all
gecko_x2: got my remaining btc transferred off btct in the last min.. over TOR
gecko_x2: btct was down over regular net
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 9 @ 1.28877777 = 11.599 BTC [-] {3}
gecko_x2: there prolly won't be another exchange unless it's distributed / p2p
gecko_x2: maybe the world will finally rush back to MPEX :)
mircea_popescu: you know i can always tell the people who have an account from those who don't,
ThickAsThieves: i do prefer all caps, but ever since seeing you correct someone i use x, in compliance
gecko_x2: everyone is now waiting for the mad rush into actm :p
gecko_x2: compared to LC it's still amazing company!
gecko_x2: so what are we gonna do in here?
nubbins`: mircea_popescu: whoever made network connectors so that usb sticks fit neatly inside IS A FUCKING IDIOT
nubbins`: cue every single time i wonder why my device isn't recognized
gecko_x2: they could have designed the fuckers to work regardless of which way is up
nubbins`: i don't think a usb drive will work in your ethernet port in ANY orientation
gecko_x2: point is there is no reason to restrict which way a usb connector is plugged in
pankkake: but that's the other way around, network port predates usb port
gecko_x2: now roughly 50% of plug attempts fail
gecko_x2: or according to murphy, atleast 51%
gecko_x2: i'm not talking about ethernet ports
pankkake: yes, usb ports are also bad that way
pankkake: I wonder how they managed to fail that much
gecko_x2: there is already a much better working solution
gecko_x2: or the standard headphone plug
nubbins`: standard headphone plug is a very poot design
pankkake: the thing that usb provided aren't really hardware/connector related, but a very cheap protocol
gecko_x2: worked fine for me for decades
gecko_x2: maybe you should work on your motor skills :)'
pankkake: I broke one or two portable players headphone jacks
nubbins`: altho to be fair i'm using heavy 1/8" to 1/4" cables for audio equipment that gets moved around a lot
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 4 @ 0.043945 = 0.1758 BTC [+] {3}
nubbins`: but honestly SMD 1/8" jacks are usually very poorly supported on PCBs
nubbins`: it's no sweat to rip a trace off a board
saulimus: lol, btct domain expired but someone just bought some basic-mining
gribble: Current Blocks: 262247 | Current Difficulty: 1.8928124928103292E8 | Next Difficulty At Block: 264095 | Next Difficulty In: 1848 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 4 days, 6 hours, 26 minutes, and 20 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 217927576.821 | Estimated Percent Change: 15.13427
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 126 @ 0.00124793 = 0.1572 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 4 @ 0.04658 = 0.1863 BTC [+]
Jere_Jones: You can still get to btct if you add an entry in your hosts file.
Jere_Jones: 141.101.113.21 is the ip address that I'm using and it seems to work well.
saulimus: hm, error 1003, Direct IP access not allowed
nubbins`: i will need a small rutabaga and some carrots
Jere_Jones: That's why you have to put it in your hosts file.
ThickAsThieves: i have learned that the slim majority of btct shareholders can follow directions
Jere_Jones: ThickAsThieves: Did Danny confirm my angel shares of NEOBEE with you?
Jere_Jones: I did, but he was in the airport when he responded to me. I'll wait until things calm down a little.
nubbins`: interesting fact: four moose were introduced to the island on which i live in the early 1900s
nubbins`: today, there are over 150,000 moose, wandering all over the highways and killing people who hit them w/ cars
nubbins`: lel, from wikipedia: "Moose scat is commonly found on trails. Some souvenir shops sell bags of it, sealed with shellac and labeled with humorous names."
nubbins`: author obv too stupid to realize that every souvenir shop in north america sells bags of chocolate-covered almonds as "____ poop"
nubbins`: and they're shiny because of confectioner's glaze, not shellac
ThickAsThieves: from what i read, it sounds like they are using real poop
nubbins`: you're telling me that stores are representing animal feces as food?
nubbins`: maybe we're talking about different things
ThickAsThieves: "Moose scat is commonly found on trails. Some souvenir shops sell bags of it, sealed with shellac and labeled with humorous names."
nubbins`: but i've seen bags of "moose droppings", "elk droppings", etc
nubbins`: and they're invariably chocolate-covered almonds
nubbins`: i know this because i love chocolate covered almonds, and dislike feces, and have eaten many bags of "moose droppings"
nubbins`: and none of them have been shellacked poo
ozbot: Moose Poop Souvenirs | Alaskan Specialties
gribble: Error: "c" is not a valid command.
nubbins`: if you can find me a bag of shellacked shit with a humorous name, i'll accept defeat
nubbins`: but i still hold that the author of that caption is just confused
ThickAsThieves: why call the author confused when he details a thing that exists?
ozbot: Students tricked into eating moose poop by school staff - Manitoba - CBC News
nubbins`: "Two Grade 8 teens from the school in Grand Marais, Man., were given the poop but told they were chocolate-covered almonds."
benkay_: urbit is the greatest time sink ever
nubbins`: "An international anti-bullying expert is shocked by the incident."
nubbins`: if it's not a joke, why can't i stop laughing?
ThickAsThieves: to be an anti-bullying exper, must youi get beat up a lot?
nubbins`: see, "moose dropping" chocolate is so common that these kids legitimately had no idea that it might actually be poop
nubbins`: tat, i think it's a prerequisite
nubbins`: but "hahahahaha" doesn't always work
nubbins`: so i figured saying "lel" would get the message across
nubbins`: and burn out some people in the process
nubbins`: hipster is an artificial construct
nubbins`: remember when we called them "metrosexuals"?
nubbins`: another word to hate on people with personal style
ThickAsThieves: now americans trying to look european are known as rappers
ThickAsThieves: everyone in Amsterdam was much better looking that in the US
benkay_: all the not eating garbage
ThickAsThieves: mircea_popescu, i took a picture of all the bicycles for you but forgot to post it
ThickAsThieves: then next day NY (i think) announced a plan to use ducts underground for trash
nubbins`: so basically just dump it in the sewers?
nubbins`: "the water filters all this stuff out"
ThickAsThieves: mp says all transport and trash should route underground
nubbins`: we can't even figure out underground electrical wires
nubbins`: you tend to stop seeing them after a while, but just take note of the massive amounts of wires strung all around the place the next time you're outside
mircea_popescu: nubbins` the dope dealers gotta strung the shoes somewhere...
nubbins`: they do headphones instead of shoes here
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 16806 @ 0.00013533 = 2.2744 BTC [-] {10}
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 1173 @ 0.00013 = 0.1525 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: so what is this log, has nubbins` been scamming everyone with shis moose shit ipo ?
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 45000 @ 0.00012429 = 5.5931 BTC [-] {7}
nubbins`: speaking of shellac, we had some tenants move out a couple months ago
nubbins`: such a stink of cat shit/piss that we had to use shellac-base paint on the walls
nubbins`: well, i like chocolate covered almonds and cats
nubbins`: im actually gonna upload the pictures i took after they "moved out"
jurov: so i just found out some btct users used an address from online wallet that has no signature functions
jurov: there will be fun yet
jurov: first blood, then fun
mircea_popescu: so they get to pester the online wallet to implement signatures in order to get their w/e ?
jurov: fortunately i can just pay out untransferred future contracts and be done with them
benkay_: mircea_popescu: after I write this Nock interpreter and then learn Hoon...
ozbot: FBI struggles to seize 600,000 Bitcoins from alleged Silk Road founder | Technology | theguardian.c
ThickAsThieves: isnt that amount extrapolated from their guess of commissions on their guess of all sales to date?
jurov: what, it's 600k now?
mircea_popescu: jurov the point about how im lolling at them for not making any forfeitures this turn around burned.
ThickAsThieves: the article also notes how since the fbi has his wallet, the coins cant be spent
jurov: i'm waiting out for revelation how much of these bitcoins they gave him
mircea_popescu: at which point, watch the bitcoin foundation go in overdrive.
benkay_: mircea_popescu: you refer to the debt ceiling?
lewicki: If the FBI confiscated all copies of the private key, then maybe.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves here's a simple plan : pay someone a little coin to be the fall guy.
mircea_popescu: they can't prosecute you for something they already convicted someone else for.
ThickAsThieves: i just find it hard to believe that DPR would be this sloppy
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15037 @ 0.00084201 = 12.6613 BTC [+] {5}
pankkake: mircea_popescu: that wasn't how he was arrested at all so…
jurov: ThickAsThieves: what should he do? lend them to theymos for greater drama?
pankkake: and why would criminals crime if they thought they couldn't get away with it?
pankkake: he used a vpn to connect to the server
lewicki: Even if the FBI only found out where the coins were stored. Eventually those coins would have to be used somewhere that could be "backtraced". Those mixers are not infallible
pankkake: not everyone needs to live in a mansion with two pools
lewicki: at what point do you say, 20...30..80 million is enough
pankkake: when I'm a trillionnaire I'll still live in a small appartment, but with people? no way!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 1.3072 = 7.8432 BTC [-] {3}
pankkake: he could simply like where he lives
pankkake: why would the megaboss of the internet mafia do that?
mircea_popescu: the average car salesman sells more worth of car a day.
pankkake: a drug dealer is usually more honest than a car salesman though
mircea_popescu: my bet is that as the feds get enough of being humiliated it quietly drops into oblivion.
benkay_: it's not unbelievable that the nerd running the SR show would know nothing about actually moving product
mircea_popescu: it's so stupid this shit. im torn as towhether to do a write-up of why it's stupid and in the process prove i understand the drug trade all too well or just stfu.
ThickAsThieves: probably just a whim, coder says oh i can make a thing!
benkay_: then btctalk can add drug dealer to the list of epithets they spit
ThickAsThieves: isnt the story that there is an original and a 2nd owner?
pankkake: the issue is that he wasn't nerd enough. he made technical mistakes, and then wasn't paranoid enough, thought he has the street smarts or whatever
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 1.40999999 = 2.82 BTC [+]
ozbot: BBC News - China tells US to avoid debt crisis for sake of global economy
ThickAsThieves: "We hope the United States fully understands the lessons of history," Mr Zhu said
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 1.41 BTC [+]
Rulother: China should know the US better by no
jurov: Rulother and what can China do? covertyl assassinate few tea partiers?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 24 @ 1.41583331 = 33.98 BTC [+] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 0.12989999 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 0.1299 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 25 @ 0.013632 = 0.3408 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7300 @ 0.00084306 = 6.1543 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 8 @ 0.0137 = 0.1096 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 8 @ 0.0137 = 0.1096 BTC [+] {2}
ThickAsThieves: hmm google docs is not letting me paste into google a spreadsheet without installing google drive for chrome (i'm using opera)
assbot: [BTCTC] [FN] [DMS.SELLING] 60 @ 0.00375 = 0.225 BTC [-]
Kleeck__: Bigger screems means we're more relevant, right? RIGHT GUIZ?!
ThickAsThieves: now every foxnews viewer will be compelled to get a tablet
mircea_popescu: 1 btc to the first person that hacks into their tablets and puts cp on.
mircea_popescu: resulting in all of fox news being put on the sex offender register
chris_: you can settle for mp on a camel now
b0n1: is there any back and lay betting exchange for btc?
mircea_popescu: about a dozen people tried and failed. if you care to understand the reasons i can link you to a write-up.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.01300059 = 1.3001 BTC [-] {5}
b0n1: yeah, would be nice
b0n1: is it the low volume problem on startup?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 45 @ 0.013 = 0.585 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 300 @ 0.01264222 = 3.7927 BTC [-] {10}
ozbot: Least likely to succeed character : The upseller pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
b0n1: you mean the liquidity problem?
assbot: [BTCTC] [MININGCO.ETF] 16 @ 0.0219375 = 0.351 BTC [+] {2}
jborkl: I stopped by and talked to Cointerra in person
jborkl: There was 3 of them, I got to see renderings that are not published yet- talked for about 1.5 hours- I also told them the advantages of listing on MPEX
jborkl: yes and I have access to preferred pricing for interested parties
jborkl: I will put a article in a little while
dexX7: jborkl: where do you publish your article?
jborkl: bitcoinnews.com - I will put it up in a hour or so
jborkl: I asked them why they listed with Pico and not MPEX
jborkl: What they said made sense, for the US- Pico is a holding co and buys a block from them. You actually buy Pico holding and not Cointerra
dexX7: wait, the listing there is legit?
pankkake: communication is terrible though
jborkl: The listing at Pico is Cointerra, I can tell you that
jborkl: I asked him point blank
jborkl: They say, shipping is December - Remember I am not promoting or pumping anything- just telling you what I went by and saw
pankkake: so do they really plan to mine too?
dexX7: well. i'm still not 100 % convinced. tytus is the one who created the listing, that's no new info, so i'm not surprised that he confirms the listing.
pankkake: because the pico guy said "maybe or maybe not"
jborkl: They said they will have a datacenter in Dallas, TX
pankkake: they do, and their initial plan was to do only that
jborkl: they will have hosting (3rd party) and selling units
jborkl: The units I saw (final design I think) has liquid cooling standard - has 2 900 w power supplies and draws at the wall approx 1300
jborkl: I do not believe on protection plans excpt condoms
jborkl: I did not ask that question
ozbot: Price Protection – CoinTerra
jborkl: I asked almost everything else
jborkl: Chips are supposed to be from (700 grade a to 500 grade d) I assigned the a-d values myself
pankkake: oh, right, I confused thirty and thirteen
ThickAsThieves: "I can't wait to see where share price goes once we list on a new exchange, and as we get closer and closer to delivery"
jborkl: I was told the deal I could get, and I think I could do a little better even
ThickAsThieves: only one protection plan makes sense, discount = diff increase
pankkake: I'm not sure it would be better for customers - they would get nothing
jborkl: If they actually make this chip, BFL is screwed (like they were not before?)
ThickAsThieves: the point here isnt to drive the company into the ground
pankkake: yes, still half screwed is better than fully screwed?
pankkake: jborkl: well, they have preorders, so maybe only for new orders
assbot: [BTCTC] [FN] [DMS.SELLING] 25 @ 0.0041 = 0.1025 BTC [+]
pankkake: maybe customer protection should be provided by a third party
assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 111 @ 0.00154979 = 0.172 BTC [+] {3}
jborkl: isnt that just mining diff futures?
pankkake: probably, except not really tied to a hardware release
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 40 @ 0.0499 = 1.996 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 19 @ 0.01349 = 0.2563 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: the problem being addresses is that these companies are putting all risks onto the customers
pankkake: what I have in mind is that the companies finance the thing, but it's a pool; that way customers can feel safe even if the companies go bankrupt
pankkake: the manufacturer pays the insurer, and gets its money back if it ships on time?
kakobrekla: preorders allow for that risk to be mitigated
kakobrekla: people themself allow this to happen to themself
mircea_popescu: wjhen 99% of cases manufacturer can't afford a 100 btc bitbet ?
mircea_popescu: that'd allow the customers to buy insurance, at a market-established fair premium
pankkake: the bet is all-or-nothing though
dexX7: maybe you should work on a better promotion/presentation. it is indeed a good idea, but "wtf is bitbet, why is this relevant"
assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 452 @ 0.001589 = 0.7182 BTC [+] {2}
lewicki: tat, eta on video of presentation?
pankkake: what can you do if your ETA is really two weeks? say 14 days?
gribble: Time since last block: 3 minutes and 10 seconds
nubbins`: im gonna start using blocks as a measure of distance
nubbins`: "oh, that's only three blocks away"
ozbot: BitBet - Cointerra will deliver in 2013
pankkake: the good thing about that rising difficulty, is that now bitcoin = litecoin
ThickAsThieves: the only thing litecoin has left going for it is for a major exchange to support it
ozbot: BitBet - ActiveMining will be profitable for most investors
dexX7: this bet is closed?
pankkake: there are some fiat exchanges supporting it. but it's just one step anyway, so why would it change that much?
ThickAsThieves: "Should btct.co disappear before that date or should proof emerge of btct.co failure to pay any liquid and exigible debt to any investor this bet resolves as No."
pankkake: eh… that certainly wasn't my intent when creating the bet
pankkake: it was on BitFunder at the time, and still is
pankkake: now people are going to be angry at me
pankkake: still a very bad way to handle things
mircea_popescu: pankkake welcome to bitbet, a game of unpredictable consequences.
pankkake: I regret promoting a bet I didn't specify fully then
mircea_popescu: i suppose it can be remade to reference bitfunder isntead
ThickAsThieves: Red Sox will win world series, this bet resolves as No if Bitfunder closes
pankkake: and I'm unhappy about *winning*, let's be clear
mircea_popescu: moar like "red sox will win world series, this bet resolves as no if world series doesn't exist anymoar"
dexX7: then you should have read the bet more carefully?
mircea_popescu: ya next time don't win on bets you didn't read carefully.
pankkake: no but see, I wrote the bet, except the last part
ThickAsThieves: i thought the whole point of btc investing was to profit by mistake?
mircea_popescu: anyone got any confidence at all in cointerra delivering ?
mircea_popescu: <jborkl> They say, shipping is December - Remember I am not promoting or pumping anything- just telling you what I went by and saw
pankkake: mircea_popescu: I think they will, but I'm to going vote No as an hedge
BingoBoingo: pankkake: You don't vote on bets, you bet on them
dexX7: do you have orders on ct, pankkake?
mircea_popescu: TerraMiner II – 1TH/s, Networked ASIC Miner (Early January Batch)
pankkake: december batches are sold already, as I understand
dexX7: so there were dec orders?
dexX7: according to their resume, they are the creme de la creme
pankkake: yes. though it isn't everything. and it seems to be their *only* way of saying they're the best
dexX7: well, they are new and have no finished product yet
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6600 @ 0.00084194 = 5.5568 BTC [-] {2}
jborkl: yes, they said there were December orders
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 4630 @ 0.00126881 = 5.8746 BTC [+] {2}
ThickAsThieves: what about an all-digital kb? like with an lcd display
nubbins`: i dont get this debt ceiling thing
ThickAsThieves: is this what the romanian btc conference will be like?
nubbins`: why don't they just raise it to infinity
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.MINING] 228 @ 0.00122 = 0.2782 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: substantial discount if you get your vip seats this year.
assbot: [BTCTC] [FN] [DMS.SELLING] 76 @ 0.00402105 = 0.3056 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 30 @ 1.27578034 = 38.2734 BTC [-] {8}
pankkake: ven was some hype private currency a while ago
mircea_popescu: was the herp-business nefario was discussing at his pre-sudden death conference
pankkake: "The value of Ven is determined on the financial markets from a basket of currencies, commodities and carbon futures."
pankkake: I'm sure they're only doing it because Ven paid them
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 74 @ 0.01253539 = 0.9276 BTC [-] {8}
mircea_popescu: Oct 15 04:19:18 <mircea_popescu>i tend to recall this ridiculous Ven thing being a bluechip asset.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 13 @ 1.25000001 = 16.25 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 0.12999998 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 32 @ 1.26612499 = 40.516 BTC [-] {5}
mircea_popescu: Sep 22 04:42:04 <mircea_popescu>nefario i've been perusing with much amusement your summaries of discussions with "lawyers"
zoinky: can still trade on btct?
gribble: nefario was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 year, 1 week, 5 days, 23 hours, 2 minutes, and 24 seconds ago: <nefario> Those assets are not listed or traded anymore
mircea_popescu: Sep 22 03:16:26 <mircea_popescu>and incidentally, it occurs to me i still don't see your connection to bitcoin.
mircea_popescu: Sep 22 03:16:29 <mircea_popescu>you're a ven developer.
mircea_popescu: Sep 20 17:04:40 <nefario>kakobrekla: you think Ven is scamconomy? then WTF has bitcoin turned into?
mircea_popescu: Sep 20 16:18:30 <kakobreklaaa>>Learn about our historic commodity and carbon credit trades using Ven.
mircea_popescu: cause you're stubborn! ven has come such a long way since last autumn
pankkake: well, carbon credits are a scam. or more exactly, warmists invented carbon credits to profit from their scam :)
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.393 BTC [+]
pankkake: the russian mafia sells carbon credits?
mircea_popescu: for the record : "A racket is a service that is fraudulently offered to solve a problem, such as for a problem that does not actually exist, will not be affected, or would not otherwise exist."
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 1641 @ 0.00124 = 2.0348 BTC [-] {2}
pankkake: yes, but then governments are the criminals already, why would the russian mafia sell carbon credits?
mircea_popescu: because the mafia is more efficiently organised, by more determined, better people than any government
mircea_popescu: thus any lucrative racket is taken over from any govt.
pankkake: well, they probably would give me better health insurance, but it isn't happening yet :p
pankkake: anyway, I suppose you know about al gore owning a carbon credit company
kakobrekla: >FBI struggles to seize 600,000 Bitcoins from alleged Silk Road founder
nubbins`: kakobrekla: read that, heavy lels
ThickAsThieves: "Even if the FBI is not able to transfer the money, merely having possession of the wallet file itself is enough to prevent the coins being spent. The Bureau is in a position equivalent to having seized a safe belonging to a suspect with no idea of the combination – and no hope of forcing it open any other way."
nubbins`: i think it's the edge where those two alternate planes of reality meet
nubbins`: i give it a week before the coins vanish
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 20 @ 0.04998 = 0.9996 BTC [+] {2}
nubbins`: any other way than with the "combination"
mircea_popescu: "the bureau is in a position equivalent to having snatched copies of michelle obama masturbating on camera
mircea_popescu: even if this does nothing for her, they can certainly jack off in peace"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5900 @ 0.00084331 = 4.9755 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: and all the other people that have copies can even see it!
mircea_popescu: "The Dixie Mafia is a criminal organization based in Biloxi, Mississippi, and operated primarily in the Southern United States"
ozbot: Bitcoin Transaction c99eab8a071d91ce60de038c0d6bff8a51d9f566ef977edc91f6bcf091b7c06f
nubbins`: Public Note: Eu sou do Brasil... Eu quero expressar minha opinião sobre a drogas... o governo prende quem vende drogas só por causa que não da lucro para o governo... então acaba com com o cigarro com as bebidas alcoólicas...
dexX7: Public Notice: I'm from Brazil ... I want to express my opinion on drugs ... the government holds those who sell drugs just because they do not profit from the government ... then ends with the cigarette with alcohol ...
nubbins`: oh, sorry, that note is attached to the previous tx (0.00012 BTC)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6550 @ 0.00084353 = 5.5251 BTC [+]
nubbins`: i guess they're still transferring coin from sr -> fbi
pankkake: "This seizure was only legal because bitcoin is not recognized as a currency" lol
nubbins`: these comments are about the same caliber as youtube comments
ozbot: Bitcoin Transaction db3ed0a71adb085df9ef190c20a4fcf36ef8988bff86eeeccd7ed6328aa3381a
ThickAsThieves: "Evolution did not end with us growing opposable thumbs. You do know that, right? There's another 90 percent of our brains that we have to illuminate."
gribble: Current Blocks: 262271 | Current Difficulty: 1.8928124928103292E8 | Next Difficulty At Block: 264095 | Next Difficulty In: 1824 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 4 days, 22 hours, 7 minutes, and 3 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 216225003.241 | Estimated Percent Change: 14.23477
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 15 @ 0.0504 = 0.756 BTC [+] {3}
ozbot: Beavis and Butthead - FIRE FIRE! FIRE! FIRE! - YouTube
ozbot: KnCBurner v2 - Imgur
pankkake: wasn't a miner named bitburner?
dexX7: pankkake: yup, avalon board by burnin
jborkl: the 3 pics I have seen - they are all popping in the same spots
mircea_popescu: jborkl this is suspicious. if caps bust they should bust moire distributedly.
jborkl: yeah, it is strange that they have done it in the same spot basically- so I would agree there is a common problem and not random failure
mod6: sweet, got my destroyer up and working
ThickAsThieves: mp what was the name of those notes that govs use to deal in large amounts of money?
ozbot: Sick of Your Local Police Force? Crowdfund Your Own - Slashdot
dub: inb4 buttcoin IPO for private police
pankkake: oh, nice. i thought this would be about the detroit guy
dub: Unlike Kickstarter, the Crowdtilt campaigns don't feature fabulous prizes for contributing; gifting $100, for example, won't entitle you to 'One (1) free "accidental" shooting of your choice.'
pankkake: not even a free anal cavity search?
lyspooner: hello everyone! did somesone say free anal cavity search?
ozbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
jborkl: I burned mine in on testnet
mircea_popescu: special drawing rights are a gold substitute, basically, since nixon.
ThickAsThieves: basically i had no memory of the SDR topic when we last spoke about it, just knew it was something to do with governments
ThickAsThieves: but i recall you mentioning how bitcoin could be good for like purposes
ThickAsThieves: and i want more arguments as to why bitcoins ultimate use isnt necessarily as a currency to buy coffee
mircea_popescu: mkay. so the fed system works thusly : instead of the various banks shipping bullion back and forth as people deposit/withdraw money,
mircea_popescu: they just re-allocate shares of holdings in these fed mystery boxes
mircea_popescu: this process was very advanced for the 50s, and so it gave an edge to the banks.
mircea_popescu: now, sdrs are an attempt to implement a similar mechanism in international trade,
mircea_popescu: so that countries can just re-allocate their debt to each other through this mechanism
mircea_popescu: it was never fully implemented, and it never worked too well in practice,
mircea_popescu: cheifly because too many cooks involved, and some of them french
ThickAsThieves: "The SDR comes to prominence when the US dollar is weak or otherwise unsuitable to be a foreign exchange reserve asset. This usually manifests itself as an allocation of SDRs to IMF member countries. Distrust of the US dollar is not the only stated reason allocations have been made, however." says wiki
mircea_popescu: not really. afaik they were most proeminent due to a sudden liquidity systemic shock caused by the arab hike
ThickAsThieves: "China has also suggested the creation of a substitution account to allow exchange of US dollars into SDRs.[Williamson 3] When substitution was proposed before, in 1978, the US appeared reluctant to allow such a mechanism to become operational.[Williamson 4] It is likely just as reluctant today."
ThickAsThieves: so basically the US only likes dealing in financial instruments that don't require provable backing
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12000 @ 0.00084381 = 10.1257 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: they would bet, except bitbet requires the actual btc. etc.
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 10 @ 0.053 = 0.53 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: sdrs are backed by a basket of other fiats. it's not that much backing in the first place.
mircea_popescu: moreover, as the proportion is fixed, they have all the disadvantages of a bimetallic system, which are marked.
ThickAsThieves: now if i recall, your background is in business consulting, why so much finance knowledge?
mircea_popescu: business consulting doesn't necessarily mean working for small businesses you know.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 263 @ 0.00121002 = 0.3182 BTC [-] {3}
ThickAsThieves: sure, but your degree of knowledge probably rivals most that are dedicated to the field
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 251 @ 0.00120817 = 0.3033 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: as flattering as that may be, knowledge and understanding are sometimes divergent.
benkay_: mircea_popescu: what are the sundry disadvantages of bimetallic systems?
benkay_: (few can memorize the opening trees, much less play the chaotic variants)
mircea_popescu: benkay_ you have two metals that both work in the same capacity, and you fix an exchange rate between them which you can't easily change.
mircea_popescu: as a result you'll constantly be arbitraged out of value.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 286 @ 0.00120005 = 0.3432 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: if the yen is 11.6675% of a sdr and 11.6672% of the world economy people will short one and long the other somehow. this slowly whittles your holdings towards them.
mircea_popescu: on paper this sounds like nothing at all, but in practice the fabled soros breaking of the bank of england was this, fundamentally.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 2000 @ 0.00059999 = 1.2 BTC [+]
robitnik: TAT, the NeoBee migration to Havelock seems to be going smoothly. Nice work.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 140 @ 0.00084387 = 0.1181 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 5000 @ 0.000165 = 0.825 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: but anyway, back to the point : i didn't use sdrs as an example of the role of bitcoin.
mircea_popescu: i used sdrs as an example of a currency item that can never be bought or held by joe scjhmoe.
ThickAsThieves: so do you have specific predictions for how btc will be used in your possible future?
mircea_popescu: currently if i wish to pay a supplier I must apply to a bank, which may within a month or so issue me a loc, provided
mircea_popescu: the supplier is on the us approved lists of suppluiers that may be paid, and the bank feels like doing it and so on and so forth.
mircea_popescu: or i can just send them 50k btc within a half hour and be done with it.
mircea_popescu: well yes. a loc is basically a large industrial check.
dub: credible news source to boot
mircea_popescu: You are seeing this message because this HTTPS site requires a 'Referer header' to be sent by your Web browser, but none was sent.
mircea_popescu: "NO, IT'S A BAD GOD. THIS IS NOT GOOD... NO BITBOOK REPS, NO NOTHING RIGHT NOW. THE SITE JUST STRAIGHT UP DISAPPEARED. AND I WAS LITERALLY JUST WITHDRAWING THE BITCOINS INTO CASH. I HAVE LIKE $0 I NEEDED THAT MONEY SO BADLY YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND."
pankkake: > THAT'S LIKE SERIOUSLY MY LIFE SAVINGS
dub: HELP I NEED MY COINS. BITBOOK HAS 15 OF MY COINS THAT'S LIKE SERIOUSLY MY LIFE SAVINGS I'M GOING TO FLIP MY SHIT.
dub: SHIT ABOUT TO BE FLIPPED YO
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 1.2 = 8.4 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 29391 @ 0.00012161 = 3.5742 BTC [-] {5}
mircea_popescu: anyway, here's a funny thing re locs that'll probably make anyone jealous.
mircea_popescu: my bank here in romania is giving me free securitized BLO forms which I may use for any amt, even 50 bux,
dub: so that 'blog' is 100% referral begging posts
mircea_popescu: and they DO include the extra call to release which is basically all a loc provides
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 7 @ 1.20628571 = 8.444 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 5000 @ 0.00028843 = 1.4422 BTC [+] {2}
ozbot: the touch - YouTube
nubbins`: i developed an algorithm to predict the next 12 difficulty increases last november, and it's been correct within 2% for the past five months
pankkake: I would be surprised if it worked for the following months
jurov: nubbins`: i reused mining forecast spreadsheet and it was very accurate, too
jurov: just assumed it will go up 30% every time and the time will shorten accordingly
kakobrekla: wiki doesnt have any info on joe scjhmoe
nubbins`: ah, i used ODEs, complicated as fuck
nubbins`: see, that's the thing, you can't
nubbins`: plus i'm totally making this all up
nubbins`: so you need to weigh that as well
jurov: add to it cases when next increase falls around idiffs expiration time
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 30 @ 0.01195825 = 0.3587 BTC [-] {6}
jurov: which is about to happen on October 16th
jurov: either 190m or 250m will be paid, no one knows how much
jurov: short idiffs, ddos all the pools
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assbot: [BTCTC] [FN] [BTC-GROWTH] 4 @ 0.085495 = 0.342 BTC [+] {2}
nubbins`: do not click if you have epilepsy
nubbins`: i wonder would people buy green coffee beans with btc?
nubbins`: i've got a bunch that i won't be roasting any time soon
jborkl: What is smidge anyway?
jborkl: besides done and usagi
nubbins`: wasn't smidge traded on havelock for like a day and a half or something?
mircea_popescu: "I largely address the issue of who the fuck has the never for this "
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mircea_popescu: smidge is this irl accountant guy with a jet fighter pilot wife and two kids, who used to broker for mpex and do a bunch of other venture stuff
nubbins`: his kids brokered for mpex? jesus
mircea_popescu: ok ok. smidge is this dangerously close to smickles named guy, who;'s kinda young, unwed,
mircea_popescu: and been trying to do things of import on the forum with moderate success.
nubbins`: does he at least have a girlfriend who is a boat captain or something?
mircea_popescu: i suppose he's taken -pr ish advice and is nao lurking
dexX7: yup from this channel
mircea_popescu: i don't think he's usagi because he made german-type slight style errors
dexX7: though smidge has a few social profiles which look legit
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 25113 @ 0.00012068 = 3.0306 BTC [-] {3}
ThickAsThieves: apparently being called usagi is a pretty damning insult
jborkl: calling someone Usagi is very insulting
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 121603 @ 0.00011355 = 13.808 BTC [-] {20}
nubbins`: mircea_popescu: well, look at jesus' wife
jborkl: I think that means dumbass in Japanese
mircea_popescu: jborkl i agree. imo the insult ladder goes like taaki > usagi > pietilla > wagner
jborkl: taaki has awesome hair :/
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 1.17 BTC [-]
dexX7: i liked pietilla before he went nuts
mircea_popescu: i liked him after he went nuts past the point of common nuttery into pure trollage.
mircea_popescu: "If you are a representative of Solar Wind Mining reading this, be aware that I’m not calling you a scam. I’m saying that you potentially legitimate venture doesn’t even look as good as some scams, and this situation was entirely preventable."
mircea_popescu: "bitch, i'm not saying you're a whore, i'm saying you look worse than plenty of whores and this is all your doing."
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 1.169 = 11.69 BTC [-] {2}
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 414 @ 0.01159447 = 4.8001 BTC [-] {12}
mircea_popescu: A: No, the moderators only check accuracy. They are neither qualified nor authorized to make press relations decisions
jurov: maybe mpoe-pr can register :D
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nubbins`: that's up there with Destiny Fardy-Butt
ThickAsThieves: i should make one and use trilema quotes for all my citations
dub: usagi chose 'smidge' because it was close to smickles and he had gone awol
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dub: standard operating proceedure
nubbins`: he harbours that fucking stogie pretty well
jborkl: TuurDemeester < that was another name on the site
nubbins`: i bet the WSJ is calling him right now
jurov: btw and it came out exactly this dude is going to install bitcoin atm in bratislava
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3698 @ 0.00084045 = 3.108 BTC [-]
jurov: was not said where yet
pankkake: I want some bitcoin ass to mouth
jurov: JobTitle:CEO, IT Conslutant lmaoooooooo
nubbins`: so i received a judgment in the mail today, regarding the claim we filed against our previous tenants
nubbins`: they awarded us 100% of what we asked for!
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pankkake: conslutant is a pretty much what consultants should actually call themselves
dub: nubbins`: spend it on psychotic hookers
ThickAsThieves: after seeing Roger Ver in person I no longer think someone had a gun to his head in that Gox-is-fine video, he's just that uncomfortable acting all the time
mircea_popescu: nubbins` get pankkake to tell you what the mystery drug is called
nubbins`: dub: i just press my ear to the wall if i want psychotic hookers
nubbins`: pankkake: what is the mystery drug called? (?)
ThickAsThieves: a fun moment was when Mike Hearn told the Mastercoin guy his project was shit
ThickAsThieves: something like "i believe you are actually trying to do it, i just dont think you are capable"
pankkake: so bitcoin central sends me a mail to say I'm refused again, does not tell me why, and the website says everything is still under review
nubbins`: currently she is screaming "GERRRAHHHHHHHHHHHH" to her empty apartment
ThickAsThieves: he has that i'm so smart it hurts to be around you attitude
nubbins`: interspersed with wails of despair and things being thrown at walls
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves im curious what happens if hearn ever gets his shit together and shows up at some event of mine
ThickAsThieves: he was even reasonable when i asked him if he felt this whole decntralization of everything trend was a worthy pursuit
ThickAsThieves: said it's not his pursuit, and that i was right to question it
nubbins`: i'm going to start a forum called bitcoinchat.org
ThickAsThieves: i believe centralization is the natural evolution of most things
mircea_popescu: well sure. ask him if he thinks it's ok to submit revisions to code he's never read.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` something like that might actually work. a ponzi forum
ThickAsThieves: basically i expressed that this name alone worries me,
mircea_popescu: you pay X to join, you get a percentage of all subsequent joins equal to your "trust rating"
ThickAsThieves: that accepting the devs as "core" is the most dangerous centralization in bitcoin
nubbins`: mircea_popescu: i just need to figure out how to structure the "house edge"
ThickAsThieves: he says Gavin knows what's best and he trusts him, basically
ThickAsThieves: i both appreciate that some party is making the effort, and worry that it's just one party
ThickAsThieves: what if Gavin is wrong one day? or makes a big mistake?
ThickAsThieves: he said there's no situation where gavin would just do what they vote for
ThickAsThieves: did i already tell you guys about the moment with the central banks being put on the spot?
dub: what circlejerk have you been attending?
dub: who ate the biscuit?
ThickAsThieves: the panel is Wieske Ebbe (Dutch Central Bank), Michael Maier (Fidor Bank), Niels Ploeger (Amsterdam Police), Joerg Platzer (Crypto Economics Consulting Group) & Casper Riekerk (Finnius Lawyers)
ozbot: Regulation Of Bitcoin - The European Bitcoin Convention -- 2013 Amsterdam - YouTube
pankkake: interesting that non-hard-core-bitcoiners were there
gribble: Time since last block: 48 minutes and 5 seconds
ThickAsThieves: the audience question basically boils down to "Who are the real criminals, and what are you doing to regulate yourselves"
ThickAsThieves: it's the only question no one on the panel attempted to answer
dub: (your links does nt work)
pankkake: why does the mac have more than one apple logo?
pankkake: is this the special fanboy edition?
ozbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
nubbins`: that's one of the things the tenants left behind
jborkl: lol that is kinda strange
nubbins`: the guy who drew that has a 9yo daughter
nubbins`: and i found diapers in his room, too
nubbins`: really really really strange stuff
pankkake: I like those guys, they make me think I have a normal sexuality
BingoBoingo: Oh, the Ryan Dickherber character got a mention here. At some point he contacted me in response to some local meetup I half assedly tried to organize. He seemed rather boring so I didn't bother. Pretty sure it is actually his name though.
nubbins`: full of pictures of wizards, fantasy landscapes, and a small section of women's faces on the very last page, with cut-out photos of himself glued on top
ozbot: Decentralized Exchange Panel - The European Bitcoin Convention -- 2013 Amsterdam - YouTube
nubbins`: mastercoin is a pretty good chuckle
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [XBOND] [PAID] 0.69348300 BTC to 1`386`966 shares, 50 satoshi per share
ThickAsThieves: apparently no one filmed me asked the quantum mining guys who they thought they were fooling
blastbob: alot of altcoin focus on that convetion?
pankkake: that sounds like another diaspora* in the making
blastbob: i think one of the other guys at coinbase said in a video that they wasnt going to
assbot: [BTCTC] [FN] [DMS.SELLING] 48 @ 0.0041 = 0.1968 BTC [+]
ozbot: The Switchboard: The FBI has only seized 26,000 of the 600,000 Bitcoins Silk Road raked in
ThickAsThieves: the FBI has seized some 26,000 Bitcoins, but they have "not been able to get to Ulbricht’s personal Bitcoin yet. 'That’s like another $80 million worth,' [and FBI spokesperson] said
nubbins`: after reading that, i wondered if they even knew what addresses the funds are in
b0n1: mircea_popescu, still there?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2500 @ 0.00083744 = 2.0936 BTC [-]
ozbot: [BTC-TC] Virtual Community Exchange [WINDING DOWN]
pankkake: I wonder why people don't just setup auto renewal
nubbins`: because they might really NEED that ten bucks, this time next year
dub: I thought .co domains were free
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves strangely enough for a "dutch central bank" rep, nobody heard of this ebe fellow.
ozbot: Least likely to succeed character : The upseller pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
BingoBoingo: Thanks mircea_popescu they seem like they can't even throw a proper labcoin style AMAZINGCOMPANY shitstorm. This might be more boring than I anticipated.
mircea_popescu: do you grok the part of how back/lay is a subset of mutual betting ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2443 @ 0.00083772 = 2.0465 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: mkay. this is a problem of maffs. let's try something else :
mircea_popescu: do you see how the back/lay system distributes liquidity arbitrarily ?
mircea_popescu: okay. do you see how that can be used to shave a significant edge off the naive players ?
nubbins`: "The last time I had seen grown humans throw up like stressed out cats we were in a ditch and being fired upon."
mircea_popescu: b0n1 ok, simpler case of that : mutual betting is lay/back with no spread. if you can lay for 45 cents then you can back for 55, precisely.
b0n1: yeah, i see that point
mircea_popescu: a mutual bet you can always cancel by making an appropiate bet on the other side.
mircea_popescu: a back/lay bet you can only cancel if someone is willing to unwind you.
mircea_popescu: b0n1 so basically, mutual betting is better for the bettor. line betting is great for the bookie. lay/back is great for the site/liquidity provider
b0n1: yes but additionally lay/back is also good for arbing
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7805 @ 0.00083743 = 6.5361 BTC [-] {2}
b0n1: for example in a football game when you can bet on team A or team B or draw and also lay every bet, too
b0n1: there can be many scenarios where there are arbitrage opportunities
mircea_popescu: sure, the event can be repackaged every which way, but fundamentally it's either a or b.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 309 @ 0.00083772 = 0.2589 BTC [+]
b0n1: yes, but you can for example lay b and bet a and can do arbitrage with that
mircea_popescu: i don't see we have such a shortage of events that we need to make them last by creating dozens of bets out of the same one thing
b0n1: because prices are set by supply and demand from the users, at least thats how it works on betfair
mircea_popescu: you can do the same exact thing on mutual betting, except paying less vig.
ozbot: BitBet - Cointerra will deliver in 2013
mircea_popescu: unless you think it's 64.5 to 1 they actually deliver, there's some arbitrage there.
mike_c: yeah.. my issue is that it feels like unless you get in early there is no way to bet.
mike_c: the odds on both sides suck.
mike_c: unless i misunderstand something..
b0n1: mircea_popescu, i am not sure whether that is of the same nature as the point i want to mention here
nubbins`: okay, i'm going to step outside for a few moments
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mircea_popescu: mike_c well, it's an 8 month old bet. it's almost dead. you still get 1.1 / 1.7 for 2 months out.
mike_c: yeah. just seems like the weight drops off so quickly that its tough to get in. The weighting system seems to go against your philosophy of monitoring the bet and pushing the other side if you think the bet has moved the wrong way.
mircea_popescu: seeing how it's 1.3k atm... seems about right to me. you get better odds on that somewhere ?
mircea_popescu: seems to me it's actually pricing the thing pretty darned accurately. if you look at options they're a worse deal.
mircea_popescu: i dunno that you can derive 10% gains over ghold staying under 2k an ounce for the rest of the year
mike_c: nasdaq.com is slow as shit.
mike_c: ok. i agree with you (and therefore will place a bet). let me find a better example or understand that I was wrong.
mircea_popescu: in general it's a daunting proposition, because it's so unstructured.
mircea_popescu: people are used to the very cloistered situation traditional betting venues offer.
mircea_popescu: the only problem is, traditional betting venues work much like the casino, to skim as much as possible.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7550 @ 0.00083797 = 6.3267 BTC [+] {2}
b0n1: mircea_popescu, what i mean with arbing is for example in a binary bet where you can bet on event A or B you could lay both and make profit ( arbitrage opportunity)
b0n1: the quotes for bet/lay of an event A are not "entangled" with bet/lay of an event B so to say
mircea_popescu: so then if the events are unrelated then this is simply atiomic betting. you can bet no on all the various miner deliveries on bitbet and win with all
b0n1: don't see the point here
mircea_popescu: so you can lay two unrelated bets. if they're unrelated that;'s not arbitrage.
b0n1: well mircea_popescu a lot of money make a living with that all day on betfair ...
mircea_popescu: i don't think a discussion of the cluelessness of the population can in principle be made into a comparison of betting systems.
mircea_popescu: while this may be true, either in your own case or even generally, it still has northing to do with the car.
b0n1: well... initially I was wondering why there is no back/lay betting system for btc so far. You told me then that there are difficulties and I was curious about them, but still dont get it I am afraid
b0n1: mircea_popescu, what alternatives?
b0n1: I think its an idea worth thinking about since back/lay betting systems are much more attractive for intelligent punters who don't want to get robbed by line bettings
mircea_popescu: until they put the afternoon required into figuring it out and move on to mutual.
b0n1: i mean a reasonable big amount on yes
mircea_popescu: b0n1 well it's new, prolly nobody with a balance saw it yet.
mircea_popescu: or who knows, maybe there's no confidence in delivery.
BingoBoingo: After the Picostocks news I'm leaning towards no chance CoinTerra delivers, if they deliver at all I imagine it would be BFL style...
b0n1: but someone here confirmed some hours ago visiting cointerra that they would deliver
mircea_popescu: it's a great thing all these "companies" don't actually have professional cfos involved so nobody realises just how much damage a faux pas of the sort does to their prospects
b0n1: also there is high evidence since they already sold the december batch
mircea_popescu: b0n1 twas jborkl, and he said that's what they said not what they'll do necessarily.
b0n1: the only reasonable amount in there so far is a 5 btc on no and even the owner of this bet believes it is a yes since it was a hedge
mircea_popescu: b0n1 mike_c was discussing a 50+ btc bet earlier. what's your definition of reasonable ?
benkay: ThickAsThieves nobody caught you grilling the quantum guys?
BingoBoingo: b0n1: That 5 BTC no bet, probably wasn't a hedge. Sometimes a BitBet bet is just a bet and not a fancy hedge.
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peterl: ThickAsThieves this video is really bad quality. Couldn't you at least get a tripod?
benkay: why are diff bets crazytalk?
mircea_popescu: well for instance that one looked like it'll go the other way at outset.
peterl: oh, that explains it. I guess that is decent quality for a tablet video
Vexual: the uh, cypress sec, um.. we are posing to um them a *shrug* guildline, to ... bitcoin...
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.MINING] 775 @ 0.00122 = 0.9455 BTC [-] {2}
ThickAsThieves: Vexual, he was first presenter and a bit nervous maybe
Vexual: reading between the line I am concerned about the lawyers saying that the regulators will be welcoming of their submissions
mircea_popescu: Vexual always a good idea to keep in mind that people talking binds nobody. including the people themselves most of the time.
Vexual: yes, any theyve said the lawyers are tight with the regulators
ThickAsThieves: this sentiment was repeated by other lawyers i spoke with in other countries,
ThickAsThieves: essentially the regulators welcome recommendations in new areas
Vexual: that the regulators will accept submission, of that their plan will get the green light?
ThickAsThieves: but generally you can see the difference between germany or cyprus asking for guidance, and the US sending subpeonas
ThickAsThieves: the question is whether they will get additional regulation
Vexual: the business plan shows executive salaries exceeding legals before they even open for business
ThickAsThieves: and legally i shouldnt really be spekaing on it at all anyway
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 1.15000001 = 2.3 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 9000 @ 0.0001086 = 0.9774 BTC [-]
Vexual: give the lawyers a tidy share parcel and I forsee a different outcome
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3611 @ 0.00084376 = 3.0468 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [FN] [DMS.SELLING] 100 @ 0.0041 = 0.41 BTC [+]