jurov: seems a good disguise.
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jurov: because it’s a more credible alternative to the growing list of Bitcoin imitators
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 40 @ 0.003598 = 0.1439 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [NASTY-PT] 1 @ 0.002668 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6300 @ 0.00086732 = 5.4641 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [NASTY-PT] 1 @ 0.002668 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 10 @ 0.00995 = 0.0995 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 7 @ 0.0099 = 0.0693 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 200 @ 0.009814 = 1.9628 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 46 @ 0.009813 = 0.4514 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 99 @ 0.009812 = 0.9714 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 1 @ 0.009807 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 27 @ 0.009805 = 0.2647 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 202 @ 0.003598 = 0.7268 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 848 @ 0.0036 = 3.0528 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 11 @ 0.003598 = 0.0396 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.0254 = 2.54 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 10 @ 0.0254 = 0.254 BTC [-]
ozbot: MPOE, August 2013 Statement pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: provisional statement, open to comment. will become definitive in a day, and payments owed going out by monday.
assbot: [BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 40 @ 0.00459 = 0.1836 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 6 @ 0.004591 = 0.0275 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 1 @ 0.00459 BTC [-]
jurov: wow, you really consider the eve bsnss serious
grubles: lol you have an EVE Online corp mircea_popescu ?
VanCleef: lolz people feeling the 20 indian lawyers to crush BFL and avalon
grubles: the only reason I used to play that game was to infiltrate corps and steal stuff
assbot: [BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 1000 @ 0.0045 = 4.5 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: didnt you have one such inflitration mp?
VanCleef: we will crush our enemy and eat their children
kakobrekla: grubles how do you steal stuff in the game?
mircea_popescu: been at it for ten years, they don't have toilet paper.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla for instance by requiring wot presence for promoting ppl in soc
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 1 @ 0.003598 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 25 @ 0.004588 = 0.1147 BTC [+]
grubles: kakobrekla, rise up enough positions in a corp for them to trust you enough to give you access to tons of ore / materials / blueprints / ships etc.
mircea_popescu: grubles i gout about a billion in ore in corp hangar right now.
grubles: i wouldnt worry much about ore
grubles: since its a bitch to transport
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.51 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 2.5 = 12.5 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 4 @ 2.5 = 10 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COG.F2] 2 @ 4.998 = 9.996 BTC [+]
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 10 @ 0.02520001 = 0.252 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 5 @ 0.0252 = 0.126 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 6 @ 0.02515 = 0.1509 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 10 @ 0.02512 = 0.2512 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 5 @ 0.02501 = 0.1251 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 13 @ 0.02500011 = 0.325 BTC [-]
jborkl: seems like a good idea
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 8 @ 0.0250001 = 0.2 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 13 @ 0.02500001 = 0.325 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 20 @ 0.025 = 0.5 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 2.55 BTC [-]
jborkl: uggh spentbthe day working like a 110 degrees here, also setting up blades. i wish they had made them easier to mount
jborkl: well it isbhot as shit here
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 9 @ 0.185 = 1.665 BTC [-]
jborkl: i need a cave like activeminer
mod6: where's that? arizona?
jborkl: they have pics and everythinh
jborkl: lemme see if i can find it
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 1198 @ 0.0036 = 4.3128 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 374 @ 0.0036 = 1.3464 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 207 @ 0.003638 = 0.7531 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 377 @ 0.003656 = 1.3783 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 100 @ 0.003666 = 0.3666 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 99 @ 0.003666 = 0.3629 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 440 @ 0.00368 = 1.6192 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 100 @ 0.003688 = 0.3688 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 97 @ 0.003693 = 0.3582 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 1400 @ 0.003693 = 5.1702 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 89 @ 0.003693 = 0.3287 BTC [+]
jborkl: i cant find it mp, butbthey have a cave in alabama? cant remember the state
mircea_popescu: they "have" a cave ? how ? isn't it protected by some authority ? did they buy or lease ?
jborkl: i saw a picture so you know it is true
mircea_popescu: what if they accidentally kill a migratory swan with the fans on a case
jborkl: supposed to be some huge dataxenter that uses it causebit is like 58 degrees
jborkl: endangered beetles are all the rage
jborkl: man that was a lot of work getting those setup before the long weekend
jborkl: got them this am, all done
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 138 @ 0.003695 = 0.5099 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 80 @ 0.003697 = 0.2958 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 235 @ 0.0037 = 0.8695 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 5 @ 0.0037 = 0.0185 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 7871 @ 0.0037 = 29.1227 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 138 @ 0.003698 = 0.5103 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 80 @ 0.0037 = 0.296 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 50 @ 0.003739 = 0.187 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 100 @ 0.003741 = 0.3741 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 888 @ 0.003742 = 3.3229 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 100 @ 0.003743 = 0.3743 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 98 @ 0.003748 = 0.3673 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 415 @ 0.00376 = 1.5604 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 377 @ 0.003765 = 1.4194 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 2000 @ 0.00377 = 7.54 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.MINING] 2 @ 0.00335 = 0.0067 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 1 @ 0.02461 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 20 @ 0.0246 = 0.492 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 10 @ 0.0244 = 0.244 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 20 @ 0.02431 = 0.4862 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 10 @ 0.0242 = 0.242 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 10 @ 0.0242 = 0.242 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 25 @ 0.02419901 = 0.605 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LTC-ATF.B2] 14 @ 0.01039 = 0.1455 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 8 @ 0.023 = 0.184 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 20 @ 0.0226 = 0.452 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 50 @ 0.0225 = 1.125 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 1 @ 0.022 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 20 @ 0.022 = 0.44 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 18 @ 0.022 = 0.396 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 22 @ 0.02191 = 0.482 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 145 @ 0.02161 = 3.1335 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.MINING] 19 @ 0.00335 = 0.0637 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 2 @ 0.003785 = 0.0076 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SMG] 341 @ 0.0002229 = 0.076 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SMG] 342 @ 0.0002228 = 0.0762 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SMG] 1149 @ 0.00022001 = 0.2528 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 5 @ 0.0254 = 0.127 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SMG] 9 @ 0.00022 = 0.002 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SMG] 385 @ 0.0002102 = 0.0809 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SMG] 942 @ 0.00021001 = 0.1978 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 708 @ 0.003785 = 2.6798 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.02479 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 100 @ 0.003788 = 0.3788 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 117 @ 0.00379 = 0.4434 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 373 @ 0.00379 = 1.4137 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 2 @ 0.00379 = 0.0076 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5991 @ 0.00086802 = 5.2003 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 4625 @ 0.00379 = 17.5288 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 2500 @ 0.00379 = 9.475 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 1546 @ 0.00379 = 5.8593 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 1400 @ 0.003796 = 5.3144 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 9 @ 2.55 = 22.95 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 1 @ 0.003715 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 29 @ 0.003715 = 0.1077 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.MINING] 29 @ 0.00335 = 0.0972 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.MINING] 52 @ 0.00335 = 0.1742 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 5 @ 0.003715 = 0.0186 BTC [-]
ozbot: 65750060.14908 | Next Diff in 874 blocks | Estimated Change: 21.8359% in 4d 17h 39m 3s
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 576 @ 0.003727 = 2.1468 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 20 @ 0.003726 = 0.0745 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 2904 @ 0.003725 = 10.8174 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 576 @ 0.003727 = 2.1468 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 17096 @ 0.003725 = 63.6826 BTC [-]
qxzn: mircea_popescu how much is a seat?
qxzn: does that price ever change?
qxzn: like if the exchange rate changes a lot?
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.56 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: eventually it will exceed 20mn and no more seats will be created.
qxzn: how many seats do you have now?
qxzn: like how many have been bought
ozbot: MPEx paid accounts pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: you can go through the reports since then to figure it out
qxzn: I am too lazy to do that
qxzn: Rough estimate from your graph is in the 100-200 zone
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 20 @ 0.003784 = 0.0757 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 239 @ 0.003785 = 0.9046 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.SELLING] 10 @ 0.01268 = 0.1268 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.SELLING] 68 @ 0.01265 = 0.8602 BTC [-]
VanCleef: did assbot use to display mpex trades?
mod6: VanCleef: it always has, and still does.
assbot: [BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 5 @ 0.004577 = 0.0229 BTC [-]
VanCleef: okey, i only see btct and havelock
mircea_popescu: nature of bitcoin, you gotta dig through a whole lot of bs to find the real stuff.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 1 @ 0.02339 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.MINING] 60 @ 0.00337 = 0.2022 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8595 @ 0.0008655 = 7.439 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4005 @ 0.00086424 = 3.4613 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 2 @ 0.165 = 0.33 BTC [-]
mod6: bitotterbot swims in teh ether
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.PURCHASE] 500 @ 0.01591 = 7.955 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 3 @ 0.165 = 0.495 BTC [-]
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu is there anyone who will purchase 1BTC shares for Isk?
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 100 @ 0.009999 = 0.9999 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4400 @ 0.0008665 = 3.8126 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3067 @ 0.00086802 = 2.6622 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: tho in the future i imagine there'll be people doing it
mod6: i need to perhaps build my first gaming machine ever so i can play eulora ... i might start or try out eve too. but im such a n00b.
mod6: i was like, a super-n00b when testing eulora.
thestringpuller: Eve you can just trade shit that the corp has in stock if you know the supply and demand of the zones.
mircea_popescu: there's bns worth of shit in the corp stores, and a policy enabling trading in the first place.
Pickaxe_Included: on bets of bitcoin if i bet on my own new bet and it gets rejected....do i get my btc back?
mircea_popescu: Pickaxe_Included you get it usually on the next block.
Neil: Down for me; other sites are fine.
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 10 @ 0.02401 = 0.2401 BTC [-]
Pickaxe_Included: does anyone 'make a living' off of bets of bitcoin? like could i in theory create 100 new bets everyday and the winners get me paid?
Neil: It was there 5 mines ago; I'll just wait a few mins.#
Neil: Now it's back. *shrug*
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 60 @ 0.024 = 1.44 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 5 @ 0.003645 = 0.0182 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 20 @ 0.003644 = 0.0729 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 169 @ 0.003585 = 0.6059 BTC [-]
Neil: mircea_popescu: If I want to bet on the side the house gave me at the start of the bet (i.e. the 0.0x freebie) can I send to the send to address for those house ones too, just like one I request myself?
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 140 @ 0.0007803 = 0.1092 BTC [+]
Neil: Never mind I'll just get a new address
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.1751 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 5 @ 0.175 = 0.875 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.1748 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 3 @ 0.174 = 0.522 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.1743 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.56 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 9 @ 0.004571 = 0.0411 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: oh cause the house bet is linked to you hmm. i think we need to poll kakobrekla on thios one
Neil: Yeah not obvious; and I don't want to be a source of gracious donations to shareholders :)
Neil: I've successfully reused addresses I generated several times; just not sure about house ones
assbot: [BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 1000 @ 0.0045 = 4.5 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: in principle these should also, but i dun wanna mislead.
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 111 @ 0.024 = 2.664 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 8 @ 0.00457 = 0.0366 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: hehe that jorash guy asking the btc-anal channel the same quantum-mine-all-the-coins
ThickAsThieves: "<xiando> jorash: that would obviously be the end of btc"
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 50 @ 0.024 = 1.2 BTC [-]
mod6: he was in here the other day talking about some asset he created for a quantum emulator or something
mircea_popescu: i gave him the task of using the an0 to make himself a budget for the thing
mircea_popescu: with the observation that the difference between a report and a budget is simply that one's forward facing whereas the other reflects the past.
ThickAsThieves: he tried getting private funding through me, and asicminer, he's fishing in every pond he can dip his toes in
mircea_popescu: if people were more obedient and less inclined to self-manage the us wouldn't be collapsing in the first place.
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 14 @ 0.1726 = 2.4164 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.1725 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.172 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.171 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 5 @ 0.17 = 0.85 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: btc foundation lawyer, santori, reports on the meeting they had with US gov agencies
ozbot: E37 – Meeting Mastercoin | Lets Talk Bitcoin
ThickAsThieves: sounds like pretty much every possible giv dept was there\
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 5 @ 0.003773 = 0.0189 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 20 @ 0.003774 = 0.0755 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 206 @ 0.00378 = 0.7787 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 50 @ 0.003782 = 0.1891 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 5 @ 0.003785 = 0.0189 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 754 @ 0.003786 = 2.8546 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 4 @ 0.003784 = 0.0151 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: fincen, irs, fdic, fed reserve, offic of comp of currency, fbi, dea, ss, dhs
mircea_popescu: not like they have anything else to do. taxpayers pay, bureaucrats dick about all day.
assbot: [BTCTC] [LTC-ATF.B2] 15 @ 0.01039 = 0.1559 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LTC-ATF.B2] 185 @ 0.0104 = 1.924 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.51 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.SELLING] 531 @ 0.01251 = 6.6428 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.SELLING] 100 @ 0.0125 = 1.25 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.SELLING] 100 @ 0.01248 = 1.248 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.SELLING] 257 @ 0.01242 = 3.1919 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 24 @ 0.025 = 0.6 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 20 @ 0.003628 = 0.0726 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 80 @ 0.003627 = 0.2902 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 135 @ 0.003612 = 0.4876 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3700 @ 0.00086766 = 3.2103 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [FIMB] 4 @ 0.0109 = 0.0436 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 8 @ 0.02479 = 0.1983 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 21 @ 0.02479 = 0.5206 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 10 @ 0.02479 = 0.2479 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 1 @ 0.00262 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3025 @ 0.00086802 = 2.6258 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7275 @ 0.00087096 = 6.3362 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.02479 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 105 @ 0.024 = 2.52 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.024 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.PURCHASE] 2 @ 0.0159 = 0.0318 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 5 @ 0.17 = 0.85 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 6 @ 0.17 = 1.02 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.MINING] 2 @ 0.0033 = 0.0066 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 20 @ 0.003577 = 0.0715 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 110 @ 0.003576 = 0.3934 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.MINING] 3 @ 0.00337 = 0.0101 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 20 @ 0.025 = 0.5 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 1 @ 0.0044 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 999 @ 0.0044 = 4.3956 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 3 @ 0.165 = 0.495 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 20 @ 0.025 = 0.5 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 20 @ 0.003646 = 0.0729 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 20 @ 0.003647 = 0.0729 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 235 @ 0.003742 = 0.8794 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 80 @ 0.003744 = 0.2995 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 100 @ 0.003748 = 0.3748 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 245 @ 0.00375 = 0.9188 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDSTM] 30 @ 0.0035061 = 0.1052 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDSTM] 9 @ 0.003506 = 0.0316 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDSTM] 11 @ 0.00350001 = 0.0385 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDSTM] 1 @ 0.00439 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1473 @ 0.00087096 = 1.2829 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5877 @ 0.00087247 = 5.1275 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.51 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.5 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 2.5 = 5 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.5 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 20 @ 0.003699 = 0.074 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 90 @ 0.0037 = 0.333 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 20 @ 0.003728 = 0.0746 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 235 @ 0.003748 = 0.8808 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 550 @ 0.003748 = 2.0614 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 1183 @ 0.00375 = 4.4363 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 100 @ 0.003775 = 0.3775 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 1000 @ 0.003783 = 3.783 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 2122 @ 0.003784 = 8.0296 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 100 @ 0.003785 = 0.3785 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 1895 @ 0.003786 = 7.1745 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 2250 @ 0.003787 = 8.5208 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 1500 @ 0.00379 = 5.685 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 400 @ 0.00379 = 1.516 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 186 @ 0.003795 = 0.7059 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 2000 @ 0.003795 = 7.59 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 3700 @ 0.003796 = 14.0452 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 3600 @ 0.003797 = 13.6692 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 1236 @ 0.003798 = 4.6943 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 2000 @ 0.003798 = 7.596 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 100 @ 0.003799 = 0.3799 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 8000 @ 0.003799 = 30.392 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 20 @ 0.003799 = 0.076 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 1 @ 0.165 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 13 @ 0.004401 = 0.0572 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 20 @ 0.003767 = 0.0753 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 160 @ 0.003798 = 0.6077 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 100 @ 0.0038 = 0.38 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 100 @ 0.0038 = 0.38 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 5000 @ 0.003801 = 19.005 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 100 @ 0.003804 = 0.3804 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 99 @ 0.003804 = 0.3766 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 1 @ 0.0044 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 101 @ 0.004347 = 0.439 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 4 @ 0.004346 = 0.0174 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 400 @ 0.004345 = 1.738 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 175 @ 0.004342 = 0.7599 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 541 @ 0.004341 = 2.3485 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 30 @ 0.003811 = 0.1143 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 96 @ 0.003836 = 0.3683 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 200 @ 0.003836 = 0.7672 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 4 @ 0.003836 = 0.0153 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 1060 @ 0.003836 = 4.0662 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.56 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.56 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 10 @ 0.167 = 1.67 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 100 @ 0.003838 = 0.3838 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 100 @ 0.003838 = 0.3838 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 1000 @ 0.003839 = 3.839 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 799 @ 0.00384 = 3.0682 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 201 @ 0.00384 = 0.7718 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 21 @ 0.003844 = 0.0807 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 79 @ 0.003844 = 0.3037 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.MINING] 2 @ 0.00337 = 0.0067 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 51 @ 0.165 = 8.415 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 5 @ 0.168 = 0.84 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.MINING] 10 @ 0.00337 = 0.0337 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.MINING] 2 @ 0.003377 = 0.0068 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 15 @ 0.02474 = 0.3711 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 19 @ 0.003703 = 0.0704 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 2.499 = 4.998 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 10 @ 0.003702 = 0.037 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.56 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.587 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 1 @ 0.003844 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.MINING] 48 @ 0.0033 = 0.1584 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.59 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.MINING] 38 @ 0.003299 = 0.1254 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.MINING] 6 @ 0.00326 = 0.0196 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.MINING] 1 @ 0.00322 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.MINING] 6 @ 0.003213 = 0.0193 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.MINING] 1 @ 0.003213 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.MINING] 100 @ 0.003213 = 0.3213 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.MINING] 100 @ 0.003212 = 0.3212 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.MINING] 45 @ 0.003212 = 0.1445 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.MINING] 17 @ 0.003212 = 0.0546 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.MINING] 50 @ 0.003211 = 0.1606 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.MINING] 100 @ 0.003211 = 0.3211 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.MINING] 8 @ 0.0032 = 0.0256 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.MINING] 72 @ 0.0032 = 0.2304 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.599 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.MINING] 15 @ 0.0032 = 0.048 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.MINING] 1 @ 0.0032 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 9 @ 2.59 = 23.31 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.59 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 2 @ 0.1688 = 0.3376 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 2 @ 0.1689 = 0.3378 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 12 @ 0.02474 = 0.2969 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.561 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 50 @ 0.004398 = 0.2199 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 312 @ 0.004398 = 1.3722 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 1 @ 0.003763 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 9 @ 0.003762 = 0.0339 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 18 @ 0.003763 = 0.0677 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7900 @ 0.00087105 = 6.8813 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [XBOND] 1 @ 0.00118999 BTC [-]
ozbot: 65750060.14908 | Next Diff in 830 blocks | Estimated Change: 22.4804% in 4d 10h 57m 35s
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.MINING] 380 @ 0.0033 = 1.254 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 50 @ 0.003763 = 0.1882 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1711 @ 0.00087247 = 1.4928 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4389 @ 0.00087384 = 3.8353 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.MINING] 1 @ 0.0033 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.VIRTUALMINE] 2 @ 0.0008733 = 0.0017 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 23 @ 0.003763 = 0.0865 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 477 @ 0.003712 = 1.7706 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 20 @ 0.003711 = 0.0742 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 50 @ 0.00371 = 0.1855 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 7 @ 0.0037 = 0.0259 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 1 @ 0.003688 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 577 @ 0.003655 = 2.1089 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 345 @ 0.003653 = 1.2603 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.511 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.51 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.52 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 20 @ 0.003766 = 0.0753 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5600 @ 0.00087105 = 4.8779 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1100 @ 0.00086953 = 0.9565 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 7 @ 0.0038 = 0.0266 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.57 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.57 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.MINING] 70 @ 0.0033 = 0.231 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 47 @ 0.02472 = 1.1618 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BFMINES] 5 @ 0.0025 = 0.0125 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 50 @ 0.004341 = 0.2171 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.PURCHASE] 13 @ 0.0159 = 0.2067 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.02473 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 2.52 = 5.04 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.51 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.505 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.501 BTC [-]
Neil: thestringpuller: Diff change will be over 30%; likely 85m or more
Neil: Insane how much hash power is coming online
Neil: Almost feel sorry for a govt wanting to do a 51%
ozbot: Bitcoin Address 142BHpdq4wey7PC3Cp5QiUoshF19u3yvHN
Neil: Some dude keeps sending himself satoshis and paying 0.0005 BTC for the privelege. Why?
Neil: Apparently the new dust output rules aren't being respected by all miners, at least if you're willing to pay 0.0005 BTC for it.
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 4 @ 0.02473 = 0.0989 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 2 @ 0.00262 = 0.0052 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 4 @ 0.0044 = 0.0176 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 1 @ 0.00262 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3400 @ 0.00087384 = 2.9711 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 3 @ 0.003747 = 0.0112 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 21 @ 0.02473 = 0.5193 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1538 @ 0.00087384 = 1.344 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 362 @ 0.00087394 = 0.3164 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.PURCHASE] 35 @ 0.01591 = 0.5569 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.VIRTUALMINE] 2 @ 0.0008733 = 0.0017 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [XBOND] 1 @ 0.00118999 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 2.573 = 5.146 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [KENILWORTH] 10 @ 0.001671 = 0.0167 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [KENILWORTH] 60 @ 0.00167 = 0.1002 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [KENILWORTH] 1 @ 0.001669 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [KENILWORTH] 25 @ 0.001668 = 0.0417 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [KENILWORTH] 999 @ 0.001666 = 1.6643 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [KENILWORTH] 1 @ 0.001612 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [KENILWORTH] 1000 @ 0.00161 = 1.61 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [KENILWORTH] 10 @ 0.001606 = 0.0161 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [KENILWORTH] 3 @ 0.001602 = 0.0048 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [KENILWORTH] 500 @ 0.001601 = 0.8005 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [KENILWORTH] 473 @ 0.001582 = 0.7483 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [KENILWORTH] 6918 @ 0.001581 = 10.9374 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.0242 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 49 @ 0.0242 = 1.1858 BTC [-]
assbot: Last trade for DMS.SELLING on BTCTC was at 0.01242 BTC [-]
assbot: Last trade for DMS.MINING on BTCTC was at 0.0033 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.02473 = 0.0495 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [LABCO] 824 @ 0.0029 = 2.3896 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [NASTY-PT] 1 @ 0.002501 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.508 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.508 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 2.507 = 5.014 BTC [-]
gribble: Error: unexpected EOF while parsing (<string>, line 1)
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.581 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 10 @ 0.0044 = 0.044 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-GROWTH] 2 @ 0.09807 = 0.1961 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-GROWTH] 18 @ 0.09806 = 1.7651 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 17 @ 0.003727 = 0.0634 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 63 @ 0.003728 = 0.2349 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 20 @ 0.003656 = 0.0731 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 300 @ 0.003655 = 1.0965 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 458 @ 0.003654 = 1.6735 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 272 @ 0.003653 = 0.9936 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 5 @ 0.003695 = 0.0185 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 283 @ 0.003653 = 1.0338 BTC [-]
dexX7: ;;later tell mircea_popescu "watch out for the 'largest bitcoin betting site' :D
http://bitcoinlivebets.com/ ... payed 6 btc on the forums for one ad slot"
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-GROWTH] 2 @ 0.09807 = 0.1961 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [NASTY-PT] 3 @ 0.002501 = 0.0075 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.02473 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 1 @ 0.0044 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.SELLING] 68 @ 0.01245 = 0.8466 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SMG] 2 @ 0.000237 = 0.0005 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 7 @ 0.004352 = 0.0305 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 52 @ 0.004351 = 0.2263 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 300 @ 0.00435 = 1.305 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 109 @ 0.004341 = 0.4732 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 1 @ 0.004341 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 525 @ 0.004336 = 2.2764 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 9 @ 0.00433 = 0.039 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 298 @ 0.004329 = 1.29 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.SELLING] 50 @ 0.01285 = 0.6425 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 1000 @ 0.0043 = 4.3 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.PURCHASE] 50 @ 0.01591 = 0.7955 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [MININGCO.ETF] 5 @ 0.118 = 0.59 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.512 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.511 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.51 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.509 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.SELLING] 22 @ 0.0125 = 0.275 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] [PAID] 9.07000000 BTC to 907 shares, 1000000 satoshi per share
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [XBOND] [PAID] 1.00978800 BTC to 2`019`576 shares, 50 satoshi per share
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] [PAID] 26.00000000 BTC to 40`000 shares, 65000 satoshi per share
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 7 @ 0.0247 = 0.1729 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 1 @ 0.003618 BTC [-]
assbot: Last trade for DMS.MINING on BTCTC was at 0.0033 BTC [+]
assbot: Last trade for DMS.SELLING on BTCTC was at 0.0125 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 4 @ 0.0022 = 0.0088 BTC [-]
assbot: Last trade for DMS.PURCHASE on BTCTC was at 0.01591 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 3 @ 0.003695 = 0.0111 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 3 @ 0.003695 = 0.0111 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 5 @ 0.003695 = 0.0185 BTC [+]
ozbot: [BitFunder] G.ASICMINER-PT
kakobrekla: seems like a bunch of kids jerking eachothers dicks
thestringpuller: ThickAsThieves can we talk a moment before my battery goes nuts
mircea_popescu: dexX7 it's fascinating how everything starts out "the largest"
ThickAsThieves: and funny how website scams cant help but look like scams merely by their design style
assbot: [BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 10 @ 0.004301 = 0.043 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 990 @ 0.0043 = 4.257 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: and further funny how nobody seems to realise that starting your life by comitting to a hugely ridiculous and vastly verifiable lie is pretty bad for your credibility.
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 2.545 = 5.09 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.546 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.548 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.582 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: what if they're successful, ad absurdum ? i'll meet the guy at a conference in 2023 and say, o, you're the guy that was lieing in 2013 ?
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 6 @ 0.1699 = 1.0194 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 44 @ 0.17 = 7.48 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.188 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 4 @ 0.1896 = 0.7584 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 6 @ 0.1898 = 1.1388 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 5 @ 0.1898 = 0.949 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 4 @ 0.0247 = 0.0988 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [RSM] 4 @ 0.0144 = 0.0576 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: but what the fuck is the end ? making sure everyone takes you for a scammer ?
mircea_popescu: why not just have a bigger penis than me. what the fuck happened to "doing something useful"
ThickAsThieves: the way people are these days, scamming isnt always hard to shake
ThickAsThieves: even OJ Simpson had a movie career after killing his wife
mircea_popescu: anyway, so what's the plan, it'll call itself BiTBeTeC or BTBTC for short and print somewhere a line on the website going OVER 1500000000 BTC BET !!!
mircea_popescu: it feels like we're back to the old webpage days when people were adding visitor counters.
ThickAsThieves: this is one point of yours that i havent bought into yet
mircea_popescu: i guess it's my mistake that in adding volume lines on the actual sites i somehow gave the idiots the impression that a "real good copy" TM consists of LARGER DIGITS
mircea_popescu: theswede has 50k btc of his own to just throw back and forth ?
mircea_popescu: i recall you were here a month or so back when we did the math, and it was something ridiculous top the tune of 50k
mircea_popescu: but anyway : there's two ways this can work. either burnside gave them "margin" on account that "he knows what he's doing" and "that's what exchanges do" iho,
mircea_popescu: or else he has a security hole that he's too ashamed to admit.
ThickAsThieves: surely even he could not survive 40k btc from thin air
mircea_popescu: these'd be the constructions that i can see making him two different flavours of stupid rather than actively complicit.
ThickAsThieves: you think it's less likely that it's the scammers throwing their weight around?
mircea_popescu: burnside is a minor shit that ran a ltc exchange for a while to little avail, and then jumped on trying to make a glbse clone last year.
ThickAsThieves: suppose ActM, BTCGarden, Labcoin, and maybe some older ones are all the same group
mircea_popescu: when did he become some sort of authority ? you probably have more assets than he ever did.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves they are mostly same group i'm pretty sure.
mircea_popescu: giga split with a lot of coin, but he's bought miners for them
mircea_popescu: owens etc group never made enough, kenna split with a lot vbuyt sold / lost most
ThickAsThieves: i think its safe to say that 7k coins got extracted from labcoin buyers
mircea_popescu: i guess there's always the possibility that some smooth operator got the wool over the eyes of a backer, and bought a bunch of coins to finance a set of scams.
ThickAsThieves: which could easily have made up part of the btcgarden buyin
mircea_popescu: the muppets don't have that much. my guess is 500 to 2k on the brightest side.
ThickAsThieves: i think you underestimate how much coin is up for grabs
assbot: [BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 10 @ 0.0043 = 0.043 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 6 @ 0.004251 = 0.0255 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 25 @ 0.00425 = 0.1063 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 156 @ 0.004219 = 0.6582 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 39 @ 0.004217 = 0.1645 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 55 @ 0.004196 = 0.2308 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 220 @ 0.004195 = 0.9229 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 6 @ 0.004172 = 0.025 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 25 @ 0.004171 = 0.1043 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 250 @ 0.004152 = 1.038 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 208 @ 0.004151 = 0.8634 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: what the fuck, i have raw vids of about a dozen girls im probably going to straight delete as i can't be bothered to have edited
LorenzoMoney: he was in the naked gun, the towering inferno, capricorn one
Diablo-D3: he was just a second rate football player
ozbot: O.J. Simpson - IMDb
Diablo-D3: the only reason he was in the naked gun is because they needed a dumb nigger
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.PURCHASE] 6 @ 0.01591 = 0.0955 BTC [+]
Diablo-D3: ThickAsThieves: if the gloves dont fit, you must acquit
LorenzoMoney: the question was what Movies has OJ SImpson been in
Diablo-D3: b movies no one has heard of never count
Diablo-D3: just shut up and make me oil, Lorenzo
LorenzoMoney: Diablo-D3: that was so clever! wait while I stand in shock
LorenzoMoney: a cultural reference that uses my name. Hip is written all over you
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: could i push you s.mpoe in exchamge fr isk to pay my eve subscription?
Diablo-D3: I think unicode actually has a snowflake character, btw
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.SELLING] 225 @ 0.01286 = 2.8935 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.SELLING] 275 @ 0.01287 = 3.5393 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 22 @ 0.1987 = 4.3714 BTC [-]
gribble: There are currently 39497.025 bitcoins offered at or under 100000000.0 USD, worth 619456548.901 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0088 seconds
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.PURCHASE] 225 @ 0.01591 = 3.5798 BTC [+]
Scrat: clowncar exchange running out of btc
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 143.81022, Best ask: 144.27039, Bid-ask spread: 0.46017, Last trade: 143.81021, 24 hour volume: 54609.74048310, 24 hour low: 128.89999, 24 hour high: 144.50000, 24 hour vwap: 137.43557
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [XBOND] 1 @ 0.00118 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 838 @ 0.00087394 = 0.7324 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4212 @ 0.00087396 = 3.6811 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves speak for yourself fatcat. i'm poverty stricken in my poverty strike.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5800 @ 0.00087396 = 5.069 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.0247 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 0.19 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 540 @ 0.003694 = 1.9948 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.024 = 0.048 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.024 = 0.048 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.024 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.02399 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 5 @ 0.02398 = 0.1199 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 13 @ 0.02397 = 0.3116 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 16 @ 0.02396 = 0.3834 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 2.45 = 4.9 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: there should be a meme thing, "hey yo, we know you're poor so we put some poverty in your poverty so you can be poor while you're poor"
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.PURCHASE] 10 @ 0.01591 = 0.1591 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 136 @ 0.004155 = 0.5651 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 198 @ 0.004152 = 0.8221 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 392 @ 0.004151 = 1.6272 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 274 @ 0.004151 = 1.1374 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: id put some poverty in my poverty but im all out
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.514 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 17 @ 0.004156 = 0.0707 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 136 @ 0.004155 = 0.5651 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 31 @ 0.004152 = 0.1287 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 126 @ 0.004151 = 0.523 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 690 @ 0.004102 = 2.8304 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves anyway, wasn't btcgarden fully refunded ?
dexX7: "how are scams on btct done?"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 40 @ 0.165 = 6.6 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.514 BTC [-]
ozbot: BitBet - USD/BTC exchange rate to top $125 at 23:45 September 16, 2013
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.513 BTC [-]
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 143.02837, Best ask: 143.44000, Bid-ask spread: 0.41163, Last trade: 143.44000, 24 hour volume: 55193.90154691, 24 hour low: 128.89999, 24 hour high: 144.50000, 24 hour vwap: 137.57729
Scrat: "good goy, now spend more of your shekels on my exchange"
assbot: [BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 2 @ 0.004392 = 0.0088 BTC [+]
ozbot: Lawsuite against BFL
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4108 @ 0.00087396 = 3.5902 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4392 @ 0.00087455 = 3.841 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 400 @ 0.004384 = 1.7536 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 4 @ 2.53 = 10.12 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 1 @ 0.00999 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 4 @ 0.00999 = 0.04 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.MINING] 30 @ 0.0033 = 0.099 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.SELLING] 25 @ 0.01287 = 0.3218 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.SELLING] 225 @ 0.01288 = 2.898 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.SELLING] 20 @ 0.01288 = 0.2576 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 4 @ 0.004376 = 0.0175 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 2 @ 0.0249 = 0.0498 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.MINING] 158 @ 0.0033 = 0.5214 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [LABCO] 600 @ 0.0032 = 1.92 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.PURCHASE] 938 @ 0.01591 = 14.9236 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 20 @ 0.003693 = 0.0739 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 227 @ 0.003694 = 0.8385 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 2000 @ 0.003698 = 7.396 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 50 @ 0.00373 = 0.1865 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 31 @ 0.003737 = 0.1158 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.MINING] 87 @ 0.00333 = 0.2897 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.MINING] 100 @ 0.00334 = 0.334 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.MINING] 457 @ 0.00335 = 1.531 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: <mircea_popescu> so consequently it can't count in our discussion. <<<< possibly, but it's a wtf worth exploring
ThickAsThieves: odd that i'm one of the few people wondering where the hell that much coin came from
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.53 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 256 @ 0.003737 = 0.9567 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 2000 @ 0.003739 = 7.478 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 15 @ 0.003774 = 0.0566 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 279 @ 0.003774 = 1.0529 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.MINING] 115 @ 0.00329 = 0.3784 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: you have to admit the "we made it up" is by far the simpler explanation
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.MINING] 450 @ 0.0033 = 1.485 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.55 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 3 @ 0.004199 = 0.0126 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 2.53 = 12.65 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 20 @ 0.00999 = 0.1998 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BFMINES] 5 @ 0.0025 = 0.0125 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 250 @ 0.004303 = 1.0758 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 20 @ 0.003755 = 0.0751 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 20 @ 0.003653 = 0.0731 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 80 @ 0.003653 = 0.2922 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 250 @ 0.003772 = 0.943 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 33 @ 0.003772 = 0.1245 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 200 @ 0.003772 = 0.7544 BTC [+]
dexX7: well btc-garden has some history in china and was probably only unknown to us westeners
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 17 @ 0.003772 = 0.0641 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 206 @ 0.003772 = 0.777 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 24 @ 0.003774 = 0.0906 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 50 @ 0.004301 = 0.2151 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 50 @ 0.004302 = 0.2151 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 150 @ 0.004305 = 0.6458 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.MINING] 488 @ 0.0033 = 1.6104 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [LABCO] 1 @ 0.00319 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 189 @ 0.003772 = 0.7129 BTC [-]
pankkake: mircea_popescu: mostly French forums (one multiple times). I remember blogs (last one was Adria Richards, even banned me from reading), what.cd
pankkake: I wrote that her actions were actually discouraging women to get info the profession
mircea_popescu: pankkake well yeah, the sane criticisms are the worst from what i see.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4350 @ 0.00087255 = 3.7956 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 2.53 = 5.06 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 5 @ 0.02463 = 0.1232 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4350 @ 0.00087255 = 3.7956 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7500 @ 0.00087075 = 6.5306 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5535 @ 0.00086953 = 4.8128 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 8 @ 0.02479 = 0.1983 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 18 @ 0.0248 = 0.4464 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 24 @ 0.024959 = 0.599 BTC [+]
pankkake: ok actually my comment was harsh
pankkake: The only thing to retain from this article: don’t talk at a tech conference if there is a woman nearby.
pankkake: Now, will this help women get into tech? Of course not, they will feel shunned. I’d like to have more women there, but batshit insane feminists will not allow it.
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.189 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: the problem is not batshit insane feminists. the problem is there's a group of morons, adria richards being a fine example, sandra sharp being anothjer fine example
pankkake: well the problem is the people who listen, they're larger
mircea_popescu: who KNOW they dion't belong there, and KNOW that actual competent women a) would make them look bad and b) aren't likely to bother arguing politics with them
mircea_popescu: and so they make this desperate ploy essentially union-like in its nature
mircea_popescu: to carve themselves a little territory that may be defended on any other grounds but intellectual ability and professional competence
mircea_popescu: the same shit is going on in the states with the race politics thing, there's some incompetent niggers whio would like to exclude competent black people from jobs
mircea_popescu: like, you know, the low effort high pay ones such as state senator.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SMG] 370 @ 0.0002261 = 0.0837 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SMG] 398 @ 0.0002102 = 0.0837 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SMG] 602 @ 0.00021002 = 0.1264 BTC [-]
KRS1: thats why a nigga like me always be on my grind, im just a squirrel in this world tryin to get a nut...ya feel me.
kakobrekla: looking for nuts? theres plenty on teh forums.
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.VIRTUALMINE] 100 @ 0.000801 = 0.0801 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.VIRTUALMINE] 50 @ 0.0008 = 0.04 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.VIRTUALMINE] 1 @ 0.00075 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.VIRTUALMINE] 1 @ 0.00074 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.VIRTUALMINE] 1826 @ 0.0007003 = 1.2787 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 20 @ 0.003771 = 0.0754 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 117 @ 0.003772 = 0.4413 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 100 @ 0.003773 = 0.3773 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 91 @ 0.003774 = 0.3434 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 250 @ 0.004199 = 1.0498 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 250 @ 0.0042 = 1.05 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 161 @ 0.003774 = 0.6076 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 83 @ 0.00378 = 0.3137 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 6 @ 0.003783 = 0.0227 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-GROWTH] 18 @ 0.09805 = 1.7649 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-GROWTH] 46 @ 0.09804 = 4.5098 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-GROWTH] 25 @ 0.09802 = 2.4505 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-GROWTH] 10 @ 0.09801 = 0.9801 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-GROWTH] 25 @ 0.09802 = 2.4505 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [NASTY-PT] 148 @ 0.002671 = 0.3953 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [NASTY-PT] 225 @ 0.002672 = 0.6012 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [NASTY-PT] 20 @ 0.002674 = 0.0535 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [NASTY-PT] 20 @ 0.00275 = 0.055 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 4 @ 0.1986 = 0.7944 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [NASTY-PT] 5 @ 0.00285 = 0.0143 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [NASTY-PT] 5 @ 0.002999 = 0.015 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [NASTY-PT] 1 @ 0.002999 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.2885 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.MINING] 1 @ 0.003374 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [NASTY-PT] 5 @ 0.003 = 0.015 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.MINING] 2 @ 0.003374 = 0.0067 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 365 @ 0.00086953 = 0.3174 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2300 @ 0.00086838 = 1.9973 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [NASTY-PT] 1 @ 0.003199 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [NASTY-PT] 10 @ 0.0032 = 0.032 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [NASTY-PT] 100 @ 0.00324 = 0.324 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [NASTY-PT] 138 @ 0.00325 = 0.4485 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [KENILWORTH] 473 @ 0.001778 = 0.841 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [KENILWORTH] 10 @ 0.001779 = 0.0178 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [KENILWORTH] 1000 @ 0.001791 = 1.791 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [KENILWORTH] 1011 @ 0.001795 = 1.8147 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [KENILWORTH] 60 @ 0.001797 = 0.1078 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [KENILWORTH] 446 @ 0.001799 = 0.8024 BTC [+]
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 144.22001, Best ask: 144.99995, Bid-ask spread: 0.77994, Last trade: 144.21010, 24 hour volume: 29882.59233501, 24 hour low: 134.36270, 24 hour high: 146.01616, 24 hour vwap: 139.63425
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 5 @ 0.2978 = 1.489 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 2 @ 0.00262 = 0.0052 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.189 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5800 @ 0.00086744 = 5.0312 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 99 @ 0.003781 = 0.3743 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 2.5 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 103 @ 0.003781 = 0.3894 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 66 @ 0.004199 = 0.2771 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 24 @ 0.003783 = 0.0908 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 100 @ 0.003783 = 0.3783 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35 @ 0.00086766 = 0.0304 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9979 @ 0.00087132 = 8.6949 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 100 @ 0.003798 = 0.3798 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.525 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [CB.IDIFF-O] 50 @ 0.009899 = 0.495 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.MINING] 1 @ 0.003374 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 20 @ 0.003798 = 0.076 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 568 @ 0.003696 = 2.0993 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 694 @ 0.003694 = 2.5636 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 12 @ 0.003796 = 0.0456 BTC [+]
fractal: is the resolution exactly 7 hours away?
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 19 @ 0.003796 = 0.0721 BTC [+]
fractal: ok thanks. how long does the usual process take?
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 27 @ 0.003796 = 0.1025 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 80 @ 0.003798 = 0.3038 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 100 @ 0.003798 = 0.3798 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 53 @ 0.003799 = 0.2013 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 9 @ 0.02459 = 0.2213 BTC [-]
fractal: punin: "We also found a noticeable voltage drop on the IOVDD chain when all 16 cards are plugged in (down to 1V66 from 1V8). This will get fixed (hopefully) in next revision on M-boards, that is already in production. This should help lower the errors and noise on Bus D." looks like their 400Gh units are underperforming on hashrate...
fractal: ok... so if people post to the forums who receive orders tomorrow, those wouldn't be included in the bet timeframe, right?
fractal: ok... and in which timezone is the cutoff?
mircea_popescu: what;'s the bet say anyway, by sept 1st ? on sept 1st ?
fractal: sept 1 happens 24 times in different timezones
fractal: ah didnt see that. ok. thanks
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2000 @ 0.00086744 = 1.7349 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.MINING] 58 @ 0.003374 = 0.1957 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.525 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 2.513 = 7.539 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 2.513 = 5.026 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 66 @ 0.004199 = 0.2771 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 100 @ 0.0042 = 0.42 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 457 @ 0.004299 = 1.9646 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 400 @ 0.0043 = 1.72 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 986 @ 0.0043 = 4.2398 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 500 @ 0.00431 = 2.155 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 500 @ 0.00432 = 2.16 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 416 @ 0.004328 = 1.8004 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.SELLING] 3 @ 0.0125 = 0.0375 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.SELLING] 2 @ 0.01245 = 0.0249 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.SELLING] 70 @ 0.01245 = 0.8715 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.SELLING] 163 @ 0.01244 = 2.0277 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 20 @ 0.003773 = 0.0755 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 145 @ 0.003797 = 0.5506 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 88 @ 0.003799 = 0.3343 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 300 @ 0.003799 = 1.1397 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 200 @ 0.003799 = 0.7598 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 100 @ 0.003799 = 0.3799 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.02459 = 0.0492 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.02404 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.02404 = 0.0481 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.02403 = 0.0481 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 15 @ 0.02403 = 0.3605 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.02397 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 3 @ 0.02396 = 0.0719 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 15 @ 0.02395 = 0.3593 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 12 @ 0.02353 = 0.2824 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 60 @ 0.02352 = 1.4112 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 10 @ 0.02351 = 0.2351 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 50 @ 0.0235 = 1.175 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.0235 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.0235 = 0.047 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 3 @ 0.0232 = 0.0696 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 23 @ 0.02302 = 0.5295 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 38 @ 0.02302 = 0.8748 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 5 @ 0.02301 = 0.1151 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 8 @ 0.02301 = 0.1841 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 20 @ 0.023 = 0.46 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 43 @ 0.023 = 0.989 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 3 @ 0.023 = 0.069 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 26 @ 0.023 = 0.598 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 80 @ 0.003798 = 0.3038 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.512 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 51 @ 0.004137 = 0.211 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 204 @ 0.004136 = 0.8437 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 250 @ 0.004109 = 1.0273 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 199 @ 0.004108 = 0.8175 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.PURCHASE] 1 @ 0.01588 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [PETA-MINE] 1 @ 0.6498 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.51 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.508 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.5 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 2.499 = 4.998 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.498 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.493 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.492 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 2.491 = 4.982 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.VIRTUALMINE] 2 @ 0.0008733 = 0.0017 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [PETA-MINE] 3 @ 0.6498 = 1.9494 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.PURCHASE] 1 @ 0.01588 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 1 @ 0.003718 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 39 @ 0.0037 = 0.1443 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 2 @ 0.0022 = 0.0044 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.VIRTUALMINE] 1 @ 0.0008732 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.PURCHASE] 1 @ 0.01588 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.VIRTUALMINE] 2 @ 0.0008733 = 0.0017 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 2.539 = 7.617 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 179 @ 0.004127 = 0.7387 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 44 @ 0.004124 = 0.1815 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 200 @ 0.004109 = 0.8218 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 801 @ 0.004108 = 3.2905 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 25 @ 0.004105 = 0.1026 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 100 @ 0.004104 = 0.4104 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 1420 @ 0.004102 = 5.8248 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 300 @ 0.004101 = 1.2303 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 1620 @ 0.0041 = 6.642 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 250 @ 0.0041 = 1.025 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 1 @ 0.0041 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 810 @ 0.0041 = 3.321 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 30 @ 0.023 = 0.69 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 65 @ 0.003798 = 0.2469 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 86 @ 0.003798 = 0.3266 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 100 @ 0.003799 = 0.3799 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 170 @ 0.003799 = 0.6458 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 50 @ 0.004104 = 0.2052 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 2.491 = 4.982 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.SELLING] 1 @ 0.01285 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.PURCHASE] 1 @ 0.01588 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9500 @ 0.00086667 = 8.2334 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 71 @ 0.003798 = 0.2697 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.MINING] 1 @ 0.0033 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BTC-TRADING-PT] 2 @ 0.9896 = 1.9792 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.491 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 2.491 = 4.982 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [RSM] 1 @ 0.01149 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [RSM] 261 @ 0.01147 = 2.9937 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [RSM] 5 @ 0.01146 = 0.0573 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [RSM] 66 @ 0.0112 = 0.7392 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [RSM] 2 @ 0.01117 = 0.0223 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [RSM] 10 @ 0.011 = 0.11 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1597 @ 0.00087132 = 1.3915 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 5 @ 0.189 = 0.945 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 5 @ 0.1898 = 0.949 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 131 @ 0.02303 = 3.0169 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.02303 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 3 @ 0.02303 = 0.0691 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 83 @ 0.02302 = 1.9107 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 53 @ 0.02301 = 1.2195 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 44 @ 0.023 = 1.012 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 5 @ 0.023 = 0.115 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 6 @ 0.023 = 0.138 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.023 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 10 @ 0.023 = 0.23 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 10 @ 0.023 = 0.23 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 13 @ 0.02275 = 0.2958 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 15 @ 0.02274 = 0.3411 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 50 @ 0.02273 = 1.1365 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 20 @ 0.02271 = 0.4542 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 100 @ 0.0227 = 2.27 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 4 @ 0.02267 = 0.0907 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 10 @ 0.02266 = 0.2266 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.02265 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 99 @ 0.02265 = 2.2424 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.0223 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 15 @ 0.02228 = 0.3342 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 17 @ 0.298 = 5.066 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 450 @ 0.004311 = 1.94 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 78 @ 0.003798 = 0.2962 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 100 @ 0.00069999 = 0.07 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.2597 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 2 @ 0.1898 = 0.3796 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3677 @ 0.00087206 = 3.2066 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 1 @ 0.0246 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.MINIGAME] 11 @ 0.0002239 = 0.0025 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDSTM] 1 @ 0.00439 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [XBOND] 11 @ 0.00118 = 0.013 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 20 @ 0.003702 = 0.074 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 14 @ 0.003701 = 0.0518 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 266 @ 0.0037 = 0.9842 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 270 @ 0.004307 = 1.1629 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [XBOND] 10 @ 0.00118 = 0.0118 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [XBOND] 7 @ 0.00118 = 0.0083 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SDSTM] 1 @ 0.00355 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 2.45 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [XBOND] 3 @ 0.00118 = 0.0035 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SMG] 4 @ 0.000238 = 0.001 BTC [+]
seangeng_: looks like #bitfunder 's assetbot is outputing data now
seangeng_: i'll see if i can write something that captures it's output
kakobrekla: why are you doing the same thing again when its stupid way to do it for the first time around
pankkake: because there's no better way? :)
dexX7: websocket from where?
dexX7: didn't know they provide one
Anduck: a delivered 400gh unit
mircea_popescu: hey, buttcoin ppl : pls to include in your next update ty.
Anduck: 400gh and 25gh unit together does that i think
Anduck: and that in total draws less than 400 watts
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 20 @ 0.003701 = 0.074 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: I'm still tweaking my units manually. I'd say 380GH from 16 H-boards is possible.
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 200 @ 0.0037 = 0.74 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 238 @ 0.003698 = 0.8801 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 306 @ 0.003694 = 1.1304 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 100 @ 0.003692 = 0.3692 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 800 @ 0.003691 = 2.9528 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 100 @ 0.00369 = 0.369 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 50 @ 0.003689 = 0.1845 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 500 @ 0.003688 = 1.844 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 567 @ 0.003688 = 2.0911 BTC [-]
ozbot: [ANN] Bitfury ASIC sales in EU and Europe
Anduck: but i must again say: he ordered 400gh unit and 25gh unit and got both, both performing as advertised (except he got extra hardware for that)
fractal: so, that basically proves that the 400GH unit missed specs.
Anduck: just trying to push the bet wording once again so there's _no_ misunderstanding
fractal: 400Gh unit did not perform as advertised
Anduck: that's not the full 400 gh unit in the pic, it's a full m-board with 16 h-cards.
fractal: which is what was advertised as a '400Gh' unit, according to the website
Anduck: the 400gh unit he bought is splitted in 2 m-boards, 20 h-cards
Anduck: yeah they didn't meet hardware specs, true
Anduck: but the bet was about the delivered unit. think about BFL
fractal: they didn't meet hardware specs because the hardware underperformed -- and that is what the bet is about.
Anduck: BFL says they will deliver a 5gh hashing unit which eats X amount of watts. they deliver a bigger sized 5gh hashing unit that eats X amount of watts. customer got the advertised performance
Anduck: but if BFL says they deliver 5gh hashing unit that eats X amount of watts and delivers same sized unit that eats X+10 watts, they haven't met the advertised performance
Anduck: BFL was just used here as an example of an asic supplier
Anduck: it was about the W/GH as the brackets say
fractal:
http://www.bitfurystrikesback.com/product/400gh-miner-october-2013/ -- 400Gh unit -- "1 Master board 16 hashing boards with 16 Bitfury 55nm ASIC chips for total of 256 chips" -- as advertised -- the hardware did not perform as advertised. The bet clearly states that the hardware must perform as advertised. All conditions of the bet were not met. Therefore the bet is a NO.
Anduck: not about amount of hardware needed for the unit. it as about the _performance_
fractal: Thats not what the bet says
fractal: and the only thing that matters is what the bet says
fractal: bitbet.us has to go by the WORDing of the BET. not by what else 'it could mean'
Anduck: the bet says people who order 400 gh will get 400 gh and it will perform as promised!!!!
Anduck: but that's what the bet says?
assbot: [BTCTC] [PETA-MINE] 10 @ 0.6498 = 6.498 BTC [+]
Anduck: they failed to meet the LOOK and AMOUNT of hardware but NOT the PERFORMANCE
Anduck: and the bet was about PERFORMANCE
fractal: and it failed on performance.
Anduck: how the fuck it failed on performance if it eats less than 1 W/GH as promised???
fractal: -- 400Gh unit -- "1 Master board 16 hashing boards with 16 Bitfury 55nm ASIC chips for total of 256 chips" -- as advertised -- the hardware did not perform as advertised.
Anduck: yeah that's where they describe the hardware the unit includes
Anduck: and they failed that part since they had to add more hardware for the unit
Anduck: but they STILL did NOT fail the PERFORMANCE
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.PURCHASE] 3 @ 0.01588 = 0.0476 BTC [-]
fractal: There are 2 performance metrics -- hashrate, and wattage-- to meet performance the hashrate must be higher then advertised, and the wattage must be lower. The hashrate missed targets.
fractal: Anduck: sorry, but thats not what the bet says.
Anduck: but people got the hashrate they ordered?
Anduck: how did they miss that target?
fractal: Anduck: thats not what the bet says.
Anduck: but it says that the people must get the hashrate they ordered. and it must eat the <1 w/GH power. and that promise is kept.
Anduck: there's nothing unclear in this
fractal: Anduck: no, the bet doesn't say that.
Anduck: i don't understand why you all the time come up with that they had to add more h-cards for the unit.. :/ they failed that but it's got nothing to do with the performance of the unit!
Anduck: the brackets in the bet describe what the "advertised performance" means
fractal: Anduck: the 400Gh unit --as advertised -- "1 Master board 16 hashing boards with 16 Bitfury 55nm ASIC chips for total of 256 chips" -- failed to meet hashrate performance targets.
Anduck: ._. there's no point in this since even now you understand you're wrong - you still keep on pushing that
Anduck: they promised that when one buys 400gh unit, they get 400 gigahash of hashing power and it eats less than 400 watts of power.
fractal: Again, I'm only going by what the bet actually says -- Thats why I bet NO. because I didn't think their 400Gh unit as advertised would meet targets -- and they'd have to refund (or ship more hardware) to make up for their mistakes and underperformance.
fractal: Anduck: thats irrelevant to what the bet says.
fractal: Again, i'm only going by what the bet says
fractal: the 400Gh UNIT only does 360Gh
Anduck: you must understand here that unit, when talking about 25gh unit or 400 gh unit is built from m-boards and h-boards
Anduck: what do you think 25gh unit is?
fractal: the 400Gh unit --as advertised -- is "1 Master board 16 hashing boards with 16 Bitfury 55nm ASIC chips for total of 256 chips" --
Anduck: you can refer to it without pasting it all the time :D
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 2.49 = 7.47 BTC [-]
fractal: A 25 gh unit was advertised as a single H-card. -- I'm pasting it all the time because you don't seem to realize that the bet says hardware device/uni AS ADVERTISED' -- i'm only going by the bet language
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.488 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.482 BTC [-]
Anduck: yeah 25gh unit was advertised as a single h-card. but it took 2 h-cards to make the unit.,
Anduck: they failed _hardware amount promise_
Anduck: the 25gh unit still _performs_ (promised hashrate at promised watts usage) as promised
pankkake: I bet ~0.10 BTC on this. If I give it to you both, will you shut up? :)
fractal: No, thats not what the bet says.... Maybe you can strech the argument for the 25Gh card by saying its modular (even though i disagree because AS ADVERTISED it was 1 card), but you certianly can't for the 400Gh unit
pankkake: anyway, it likely won't change the mind of whoever decides the outcome of the bet
tyrion70: 1 day right and you know what its going to be?
fractal: I can only hope that most rational people will look at the bet langugage, and then look and see that the 400Gh unit --as advertised -- "1 Master board 16 hashing boards with 16 Bitfury 55nm ASIC chips for total of 256 chips" -- missed performance targets, and that the not all conditions of the bet were met.
fractal: If the bet was voided, I would not mind as I do feel badly for Anduck -- he wrote the bet wrongly to what he meant. I have a conscience.
fractal: But, according to the language, the bet is a NO. That doesn't change the fact that I think Bitfury is awesome and did a great job.
fractal: it suppose it could be argued the language made the bet a 'Bad bet' according to the FAQ...
tyrion70: this was obviously an unexpected outcome and not covered in the bet language..
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 4 @ 0.02435 = 0.0974 BTC [+]
Anduck: as unit i meant the 400 gh package of mining gear
Anduck: the bfsb.com shop says that 400 gh unit is 16-h boards in 1 m-board
fractal: Yea, but you didn't explicitly state that -- and people reading the bet went on the bitfurystrikesback website, and saw that a UNIT was "1 Master board 16 hashing boards with 16 Bitfury 55nm ASIC chips for total of 256 chips" -- what do you say to those people???
Anduck: but people got 18-20 h-boards + 2 m-boards as the 400gh unit
fractal: Thats not what was advertised, and contrary to the bet langugae
Anduck: the bet was about advertised performance
Anduck: Total power draw max. 400W (Efficiency at wall depends on your PSU)
Anduck: and that promise is met
ozbot: BitBet - Bitfury EU August orders will ship before 1st September 2013
tyrion70: weird search didn't have anything on bitfury..
fractal: thats not what the bet says -- it says 400Gh UNIT must be 400Gh, a unit is as advertised - '"1 Master board 16 hashing boards with 16 Bitfury 55nm ASIC chips for total of 256 chips"
Anduck: there's no such thing as 400 gh device
Anduck: since it's all modular
fractal: As per the website - a 400Gh unit is "1 Master board 16 hashing boards with 16 Bitfury 55nm ASIC chips for total of 256 chips"
Anduck: there's no such thing as 25 gh device since it's all modular
tyrion70: so we are talking about this bet:
tyrion70: "Bitfurystrikesback.com (Bitfury EU reseller) will ship their 25 and 400 gigahash mining units before 1st of September 2013. Devices must meet advertised performance (25 GH/s unit 40W, 400 GH/s unit 400W) in order to be accepted as valid. Atleast 5 deliveries confirmed by respected members of the community required."
Anduck: it says 400gh KIT includes 1 master board and 16 h-boards
fractal: which means it missed performance on hashrate -- it is not 400Gh
fractal: they had to ship more hardware to make up for missed performance
Anduck: they had to add more hardware for the kit or unit or whatever you want to call it
tyrion70: That picture that was posted shortly ..
tyrion70: those were two " machines" right?
fractal: tyrion70: 2 seperate UNITS, yes.
tyrion70: one 400GH unit and one 25GH unit..
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [XBOND] 968 @ 0.00118 = 1.1422 BTC [-]
Anduck: it says 400 gh kit includes 1 m-board and 16 h-boards
Anduck: it doesn't talk about units there
fractal: Thats not what the bet says.
Anduck: when the bet says "unit" it means the 400gh kit
tyrion70: The bet doesn't mention anything on number of boards fractal..
fractal: Well, tahts too bad isn't it? because it SAYS UNIT!!!!!!!!!!!
Anduck: there's no such thing as 400gh unit = 1 m-board + 16 h-boards
Anduck: it's a fact that 1 m-board can hold up to 16 h-boards, but that doesn't make it a 400gh unit
Anduck: it was advertised that 400gh KIT includes a m-board + 16 h-boards.... nothing about "units"
Anduck: it says PERFORMANCE as advertised
tyrion70: fractal: that link nor the content is included in the bet..
fractal: The advertised performance was 400Gh on ""1 Master board 16 hashing boards with 16 Bitfury 55nm ASIC chips for total of 256 chips""
Anduck: 400gh UNIT PERFORMANCE AS advertised
fractal: tyrion70: yes, it says bitfurystrikesback.com in the bet
fractal: so, the advertised performance is from that site
Anduck: the advertised performance from the site:
Anduck: Total power draw max. 400W (Efficiency at wall depends on your PSU)
tyrion70: fractal, thats not the site, its the company..
fractal: The advertised performance was 400Gh on ""1 Master board 16 hashing boards with 16 Bitfury 55nm ASIC chips for total of 256 chips""
fractal: they failed to meet these performance targets
Anduck: no, the unit advertised performance was 400gh and 1 m-board and 16 h-boards was the promised amount of modular cards that make the unit
tyrion70: fractal, would you agree that it would be weird that ppl who bet need to read another site?
Anduck: but they failed the hardware amount
Anduck: but the performance did not fail
assbot: [BTCTC] [PETA-MINE] 4 @ 0.6498 = 2.5992 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3600 @ 0.00087455 = 3.1484 BTC [+]
Anduck: _and_ performance means that W/GH is as promised
fractal: tyrion70: Weird or not -- Thats what the bet says -- Bitfurystrikesback.com (Bitfury EU reseller)"
fractal: Anduck: Thats not what the bet says
Anduck: the bet doesn't talk about h-cards performances, it talks about the whole unit performances
Anduck: the whole unit works as promised
Anduck: except it has more h-cards in it than promised
fractal: And it missed performance for the unit, which is "1 Master board 16 hashing boards with 16 Bitfury 55nm ASIC chips for total of 256 chips"
assbot: [BTCTC] [PETA-MINE] 160 @ 0.65 = 104 BTC [+]
fractal: which means the bet is a no, because all conditions of the bet were not met.
Anduck: bfsb.com says that 400gh kit includes that amount of modular cards, yes
FabianB_: hmm.. i bet the bitfury argument loop will still last a few hours..
Anduck: and they failed that but the overall performance of the whole 400gh unit/kit is as advertised
fractal: And since the hardware didn't perform as advertised -- the bet is a no.
Anduck: the unit does, they didn't advertise that h-card must perform 25gh
fractal: Anduck: Unforunately, thats not what the bet says.
Anduck: the bet is about units, not the modular h-cards or m-cards
assbot: [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.251 BTC [-]
tyrion70: fractal: the bet doesn't say "as advertised on the website www.blabla" .. the bet specifies the exact conditions itself.. without a need to read some website..
pankkake: well they can still argue after the bet is resolved
fractal: And the 400Gh unit -- as advertised -- "1 Master board 16 hashing boards with 16 Bitfury 55nm ASIC chips for total of 256 chips" -- did not meet performance targets
Anduck: the bet says: 25gh unit and 400gh unit must meet the advertised performance. they promise 400gh at 400W for the 400gh unit at bfsb.com. that is met. what's so weird about this?
tyrion70: what if bitfury changed the site while the bet was running???
fractal: tyrion70: it says as advertised . Unfortunately, that is where it was advertised.
fractal: Then 'as advertised' would make it a bad bet... and it wouldn't have been accepted.
tyrion70: Devices must meet advertised performance (25 GH/s unit 40W, 400 GH/s unit 400W) in order to be accepted as valid.
fractal: tyrion70: yes. And the 400Gh unit -- as advertised -- "1 Master board 16 hashing boards with 16 Bitfury 55nm ASIC chips for total of 256 chips" -- did not meet performance targets
tyrion70: so the actual bet value is references within parenthesis..
Anduck: tyrion70: what do you mean?
tyrion70: I believe in general that a valid bet MUST contain all information needed..
tyrion70: in this case the bet was for performance.. which was included in parenthesis..
Anduck: well the bet describes what means "advertised performance"
fractal: tyrion: Exactly, the 400Gh unit was only 365Gh .
fractal: therefore it missed performance targets
tyrion70: if I would have bought 1 unit.. how many GH would I have right now fractal?
Anduck: but the people who ordered 400gh unit got >400gh at promised watts?
fractal: tyrion70: Nobody who ordered a 400Gh unit has posted recieving more then 400Gh.... so I can't answer that question.
Anduck: fractal: actually, MXRider did
fractal: Someone ordered a 400 + 25Gh, and got 2 M-cards.
Anduck: the ordered 400gh unit and 25gh unit.
fractal: Anduck: NO. he ordered 425.
ozbot: [ANN] Bitfury ASIC sales in EU and Europe
Anduck: and he got 499 gh in total
fractal: thats my point. thank you.
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.MINING] 4 @ 0.003376 = 0.0135 BTC [+]
Anduck: tyrion70: let us hear your example
fractal: You won't see anyone with 400Gh only getting delivered -- because BSB would have to ship them 2 M-boards, 2 R-pi's, etc.
tyrion70: well that's what I asked earlier..
Anduck: when one orders 400gh kit, he gets 400gh
fractal: Since he ordered 400 + 25, he was always going to get 2 M-boards.
fractal: Anduck: I agree with you. but thats not what the bet says
fractal: The bet says the 400Gh unit -- as advertised -- "1 Master board 16 hashing boards with 16 Bitfury 55nm ASIC chips for total of 256 chips" must be 400Gh. IT ISN'T
tyrion70: if ppl ordering 400 gh get 2 m-boards its two units not one..
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 20 @ 0.00369 = 0.0738 BTC [+]
fractal: tyrion70: Exactly. thank you. this is what i've been trying to argue for 3 days
Anduck: tyrion70: the 400gh kit itself is built from m-boards and h-boards
fractal: Anduck: no, its not. As per the website - the 400Gh unit -- as advertised -- "1 Master board 16 hashing boards with 16 Bitfury 55nm ASIC chips for total of 256 chips"
tyrion70: anduck m-boards are not interconnected right?
tyrion70: each m-board has own power supply, nic etc..
Anduck: a full m-board _should_ make 400gh and now actually only does 370 gh. but the unit/kit, which people ordered, does 400gh (so it includes 2 m-boards and 18-20 h-boards)
tyrion70: ok.. now I get the complete picture..
fractal: Anduck: which means the bet is a no, since the hardware does not perform as advertised.
tyrion70: I believe that ppl could have bet on this bet text with two things in mind..
Anduck: so in my eyes they failed the _hardware amount promise_ , they had to deliver more of those modular cards to make the 400gh kit
Anduck: they did not fail the promised/advertised PERFORMANCE of the kit (and the bet was about the performance only)
fractal: tyrion70: of course thats true. which is why its a bad bet i think...
tyrion70: Someone could have thought: No way they get that GH/W out of one chip: I'm betting no
fractal: Anduck: why do you keep using the word KIT? KIT is not in the bet langugage at all. KIT is irrelevant
Anduck: tyrion70: performance means W/GH
Anduck: fractal: they were sold as kits
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 11 @ 0.00369 = 0.0406 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 302 @ 0.00368 = 1.1114 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 100 @ 0.003663 = 0.3663 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 249 @ 0.00365 = 0.9089 BTC [-]
Anduck: 400gh unit = 400 gh kit
fractal: No it doesn't. Performance means Hashrate and Wattage seperatly... No Proportion was mentioned in the bet language.
Anduck: 25gh @ 40W an 400 gh @ 400W
fractal: it must be BOTH over 400Gh and under 400W to meet targets.
tyrion70: Anduck, it's going to be hard to argue that one kit needs two psu's and two network cables..
fractal: well, a 400Gh UNIT does not exist.....
Anduck: it doesn't need 2 psu-s...
Anduck: fractal: indeed. so one must have understood that when talking about 400gh unit it means the 400gh KIT you can order from the site
fractal: It needs 2 m-boards, 2 R-pi's, etc.
fractal: Anduck: Thats not what the bet says.
tyrion70: my conclusion if you want to hear it: bad bet...
Anduck: so that when they advertised that 400gh kit will do 400 gigahashes at <400W.. it is met
fractal: The best doesnt say "If they miss performance targets, they can ship multiple units to make up for it"
tyrion70: the outcome was not 100% coverered by the text in the bet..
Anduck: but people got the promised performance?
fractal: Anduck: The 400Gh unit, as advertised, is "1 Master board 16 hashing boards with 16 Bitfury 55nm ASIC chips for total of 256 chips"
Anduck: the 400gh KIT was advertised as taht
fractal: Which failed to meet performance targets
Anduck: no mention about units in there
fractal: 'KIT" is nowhere in the bet language. stop using it. thank you.
fractal: we are talking about UNITS, as per the bet language.
Anduck: the KIT now happened to include more m-boards than it advertised but the PERFORMANCE is still as promised!!!!!!!!
Anduck: fractal: but there's no such thing as unit at the bfsb.com shop
fractal: Anduck: KIT is nowhere in the bet language. It means something different to UNIT. sorry.
tyrion70: it's not a no, and not a yet..
Anduck: where the fuck it says "unit" in there?
fractal: Well, the FULL KIT is STILL "1 Master board 16 hashing boards with 16 Bitfury 55nm ASIC chips for total of 256 chips"
fractal: you have to be really retarted not to read that part "1 Master board 16 hashing boards with 16 Bitfury 55nm ASIC chips for total of 256 chips"
tyrion70: Anduck like I said, I have to go on the text in the bet..
Anduck: the bet wasn't about what the full kit is, it was about that the full kit will deliver the performance
tyrion70: not the site.. the site can be changed.. the bet can't
fractal: Anduck: IT doesn't matter what you say now.... THE BET LANGUAGE IS ALL THAT MATTERS
Anduck: and i think it was quite clear to understand that 25gh unit and 400gh unit meant the thing you can buy from the website. and the thing you can buy from the website is kit
Anduck: nobody has declared that 1 m-board + 16 h-boards is 400gh unit
tyrion70: anduck what's the power usage on that thing anyway?
fractal: Well obviously its not clear.... a 400Gh unit/kit was "1 Master board 16 hashing boards with 16 Bitfury 55nm ASIC chips for total of 256 chips"
Anduck: the only declaration for 400gh unit i can think of is that what they sell at the site. the 400 gh KIT is what they sell
fractal: Anduck: thats not what the bet says.
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fractal: You can't write a bet and they say "oh, I actually meant this" later
Anduck: yeah but it's actually very much the only way you can understand the bet
tyrion70: for 1 m-board with 16 h-boards?
Anduck: tyrion70: no, for the 400gh unit
tyrion70: or for 2 m-boards and 19-h boards?
Anduck: that includes 2 m-boards and 18 h-boards
fractal: Anduck: everyone can see that a 400Gh unit is "1 Master board 16 hashing boards with 16 Bitfury 55nm ASIC chips for total of 256 chips"
Anduck: fractal: that was meant to be the 400gh kit. it was meant that 400gh kit only includes 1 m-board filled with h-boards
Anduck: but the kit hardware amount changed
Anduck: but the performance did not
fractal: Anduck: And thats what was advertsied -- according to the bet language -- "1 Master board 16 hashing boards with 16 Bitfury 55nm ASIC chips for total of 256 chips"
fractal: This did not meet performance.
fractal: It's like BFL shipping 2 singles because 1 was only 1/2 the hashrate
Anduck: fractal: theu can do that if they keep the performance promise
fractal: The fact is that the hardware MISSED performance
Anduck: but the 400gh unit did nopt
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fractal: Anduck: the bet says nothing about keeping promises and shipping more hardware if they miss performance numebrs, it simply says that the 400Gh unit, as advertised "1 Master board 16 hashing boards with 16 Bitfury 55nm ASIC chips for total of 256 chips", must be 400Gh... IT was not.
Anduck: but there's no declaration for 400gh unit to be 1 m-board with 16 h-boards
fractal: Yes, that is what was advertised.
Anduck: or unit, whatever we want to call it
Anduck: but as long as it performs as promised, the bet is yes
Anduck: doesn't matter does the COLOR of the miner change
fractal: So, how do you expect people to read the bet, -- AS adveritsed -- ?? and then tell them later 'Sorry, it doesn't matter if that was as advertised'
fractal: Thats not what the language of the bet says.
tyrion70: it can be read and understood two ways without right or wrong..
fractal: The UNIT, as advertised, didn't perform as promised .
Anduck: fractal: what is the unit?
fractal: Anduck: "1 Master board 16 hashing boards with 16 Bitfury 55nm ASIC chips for total of 256 chips",
Anduck: yeah, they failed that. they had to add more hardware to make the unit
tyrion70: both anduck and fractal, try not to convince eachother of your own opinion but see if you can fit both opinions in the same bet..
Anduck: what i said earlier, i say now
Anduck: the bet requires that bfsb ships 400 gh to people who ordered 400gh
Anduck: and it must meet the W/GH
fractal: tyrion70: i agree with you, your arguement that this is a bad bet, is probably valid.
Anduck: so they cant ship for example GPU's
fractal: Anduck: Thats not what the bet says.
tyrion70: anduck, I could argue that if I ordered a 400GH Kit as you describe it, I now received 2 units...
Anduck: it doesn't matter that does the miner change color or what sized it is... the thing is that they had to deliver the advertised performance. performance means X amount of GHash at Y W/GH.
fractal: Anduck: yes, but thats not what the bet says.
Anduck: tyrion70: you can only order 400gh kits
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fractal: Anduck: And a KIT, as advertised is "1 Master board 16 hashing boards with 16 Bitfury 55nm ASIC chips for total of 256 chips",
Anduck: they said that the kit will include 1 m-board and 16 h-boards. but it ended up including 2 m-boards with 19 h-boards
tyrion70: anduck; do you agree that I should not have to read another website to bet?
Anduck: so where does one come up with that a 400gh unit is 1 m-board with 16 h-boards???
tyrion70: anduck: do you agree that if I ordered a 400 GH Kit from bitfury and I openend the box I would see two "units"
Anduck: thats not in the bet. the bet refers to the bfsb.com shop declared performance of 400gh unit. and it's in the parenthesis too
fractal: Anduck: The bet language says UNIT. The website says "1 Master board 16 hashing boards with 16 Bitfury 55nm ASIC chips for total of 256 chips",
Anduck: in the parenthesis is the thing that the 400gh unit and 25gh unit had to meet
tyrion70: depening on "my understanding" of the word unit...
fractal: 1 master board is therefore assumed to be a UNIT
Anduck: tyrion70: that means they failed the amount of hardware you ordered.
Anduck: but it still performs as promised
tyrion70: it means that the text is ambivalent..
Anduck: even though the miner size or color or amount of modular units has changed
fractal: Well, i'd say that if they had to ship more hardware -- they missed performance targets.
tyrion70: because 2 units makes the bet a no..
Anduck: tyrion70: but where do you come up with that 400gh is 2 units?
tyrion70: like I said if I opened the box today one could argue that I have received two units instead of one..
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Anduck: it's a single 400gh unit you buy. you get the 400gh (even though it's splitted in 2 mainboards and 19 h-boards)
Anduck: so they failed that promise
tyrion70: which would make me very happy customer nonetheless...
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Anduck: but those hardware as the unit would still perform as promised
Anduck: you order 400gh unit, you get 400 gh unit
fractal: For the record -- nobody who ordered a 400Gh OR LESS has reported receiving more then 1 M-board.
Anduck: the unit has changed, but the performance hasn't
fractal: Anduck: 2 units is not 1 unit.
fractal: 2 units is 2 units. because they missed performance.
Anduck: you order 400gh unit, how does that go to 2 units???
Anduck: who the fuck says 1 m-board is 1 unit?
Anduck: who the fuck says 1 m-board with 16 h-boards is 1 unit?
fractal: The website says it. ""1 Master board 16 hashing boards with 16 Bitfury 55nm ASIC chips for total of 256 chips",
tyrion70: but the bet says: 400 GH/s unit 400W while it does 400 GH/s 2 units 400W
tyrion70: bet language was not clear (should have used the exact language from bitfury)
Anduck: YES you are RIGHT about that. so they failed that. the unit is MORE THAN 1 M-BOARD
fractal: Anduck: YES, but thats not what the bet says !!
tyrion70: there is no bitfury "unit" therefore ppl betting might have different opinions on what a unit is..
Anduck: the unit is MORE than 1 m-board with 16 h-boards!!!
fractal: Anduck: That's not what was advertised
fractal: Anduck: The BET says 'as advertised'
Anduck: but the performance is still correct!
Anduck: it wasn't about how much boards the unit must have or is the hardware amount as advertised
fractal: No, its not. The 400Gh unit , as advertised "1 Master board 16 hashing boards with 16 Bitfury 55nm ASIC chips for total of 256 chips", is only 365Gh
fractal: Again, Anduck, Thats not what the bet says....
tyrion70: again, I could argue both sides; so I say it's invalid..
Anduck: but the 400gh unit ended up to be 2 m-boards + 19 h-boards. so they fucking failed that hardware amount promise, RIGHT???? but the 400gh unit (which has now changed to 2 m-boards instead of 1) they ordered performs as promised
fractal: Anduck: Thats irrelevant, as thats not what the bet says.
fractal: Anduck: All thats relevant is the language of the bet
tyrion70: has 100 200 and 400 gh machines right?
tyrion70: ok lets say the bet is knc delivers their "units" with advertized performance..
tyrion70: now they don't and instead of sending me one jupiter they send two...
tyrion70: now if the bet says: a jupiter at advertized performance (400GH) the bet would be NO right?
fractal: that would mean they failed on performance.... the bet would be a NO
Anduck: the bet says "400gh unit at 400W" ? *
tyrion70: but if the bet says: an order at advertized performance (400GH)
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Anduck: but the performance isn't same as hashrate
fractal: Anduck: "400gh unit 400W" means that the unit must be BOTH more then 400Gh, and less then 400W... no mention of Gh/W ratio was made.
Anduck: performance is W/GH AND the hashrate
fractal: Anduck: not the way the bet defines it
Anduck: but that's what the performance means, right?
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Anduck: >400gh at <400W makes a rate of <1 W/GH
Anduck: + the unit must do more than 400 GH
fractal: No. You can win on hashrate and lose on wattage, or win on wattage and lose on hashrate
tyrion70: with bitfury.. when this bet was openend..
tyrion70: Anduck what was your understanding of a unit?
Anduck: the 400gh or 25gh thing you can order from bfsb.com
tyrion70: ok so the word unit was "wrong" from the start...
tyrion70: well.. you read and interpreted the word unit as order or kit
Anduck: what do you think unit is?
tyrion70: fractal might have read and interpreted 1m-board with 16 h-boards..
Anduck: but who says unit is that?
Anduck: bfsb.com says that the kit is that
tyrion70: who says a unit is an order...
Anduck: well if he got that thing from the kit declaration
fractal: thats exactly how I interpreted it -- based on the bet language -- thats all I have to go by... The site doesn't say "message Anduck" if you have any questions.
tyrion70: well because you believe it to be...
tyrion70: the question is not are you wrong..
Anduck: isn't the assumption of 1 unit = 1 m-board + 16 h-board wrong too? it's never declared anywhere
Anduck: only the 400gh kit is declared
tyrion70: unit is not further explained..
tyrion70: it leaves that to the reader..
Anduck: so we _MUST_ assume that unit=kit
Anduck: unit can be a group of smaller units
tyrion70: why? because you think that's correct?
fractal: Anduck: well, it says 'As advertised'
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tyrion70: apparently there are two ways of looking at a unit..
Anduck: yeah fractal, advertised performance. not advertised amount of hw
tyrion70: both of which come from the same website..
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Anduck: the website only declares that a kit is 1 m-board + 16 h-boards
Anduck: no talking about units
tyrion70: I could have read on the website that if I ordered a kit I would get 1 m board with 16 boards..
Anduck: so you can -assume_ it means the kit when talking about unit
tyrion70: ok u agree there can be two definitions of unit?
Anduck: but my definition was actually defined ,the other one wasn't
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fractal: Anduck: It missed advertised performance.
tyrion70: it has nothing to do with meeting the performance yet..
tyrion70: if unit == kit == order then the bet result == yes
tyrion70: if unit == 1m board + 16 h-boards then the bet result == no..
Anduck: they failed to ship the kit as described, though the kit does deliver the performance as promised. nobody can say that unit = 1 m-board + 16 h-boards, that wasnt ever defined anywhere!!!
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fractal: tyrion70: I think its clear the bet language is not great. it its cancelled, i would understand, but I think it comes down to what most people would interpret a 'UNIT as Advertised' as being...
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Anduck: nobody can say that unit = 1 m-board + 16 h-boards, that wasnt ever defined anywhere!!!
tyrion70: anduck, it was at the site wasn't it?
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fractal: it's very clear
http://www.bitfurystrikesback.com/product/400gh-miner-october-2013/ -- 400Gh miner -- "1 Master board 16 hashing boards with 16 Bitfury 55nm ASIC chips for total of 256 chips" -- as advertised -- the hardware did not perform as advertised. The bet clearly states that the hardware must perform as advertised. All conditions of the bet were not met.
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tyrion70: ok so kit was 1 m-board and 16 hbards right?
Anduck: that how it was defined
tyrion70: so if I were to read up on what a unit was I would think its a kit?
Anduck: and people who orderd the kit got the performance the kit promised
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tyrion70: ok but unit == kit OR unit == order..
Anduck: it made it with a different hardware amount than promised. but that wasn't partt of the bet
tyrion70: can't be both at the same time..
Anduck: order can have many kits
Anduck: the kit was advertised to make 400gh at <400W. and it was also advertised to have 1 m-board and 16 h-boards
Anduck: but the kit ended up to have more m-boards and h-boards than promised
Anduck: but it didn't alter the advertised performance (400gh at <400w)
tyrion70: so it was unclear what a unit was...
tyrion70: well.. u bet from customer perspective..
tyrion70: if you get >400GH for <400W before september 1st you win..
tyrion70: I can bet from technical perspective..
tyrion70: being: no way they get 400GH out of 256 chips..
fractal: tyrion70: thats exactly what I placed my bet on.
tyrion70: both based on the same initial bet text..
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Anduck: they had to add more chips, making them to break that promise
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fractal: 'No way they can get 400GH out of 256 chips'
fractal: Anduck: and the promise was broken because the performance was not met
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tyrion70: and that statement "could be" covered by the original bid text..
fractal: Anduck: tyrion is saying that the bet can be viewed from a 'customer' perspective or a 'technical' perspective.... depending on which one, the bet can be a yes or no.
tyrion70: why not? think two weeks back..
Anduck: i don't agree with that technical perspective
Anduck: one looks that yeah they can't make 256 produce 400gh at <400W. but if 256 chips don't make 400gh, it isn't a 400gh unit, right?
Anduck: so they had to add more chips to make the 400gh unit.
Anduck: still it had to draw max 400 W in total
Anduck: if they added GPU's, it would break the performance promise since it would eat more than 400 wattas
Anduck: so they only broke the promise of hardware amount, they couldn't make the 400gh unit out of 1 m-board only
tyrion70: yeah i see where you are going..
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fractal: Anduck: Thats not what the bet says... the kit says 256 chips do 400Gh.
tyrion70: but can you at least imagine that ppl bet on 256 chips doing 400 gh based on the information from the bet
Anduck: the site says kit makes 400gh and includes 256 chips
fractal: There are 2 metrics for performance. -- hashrate, and Wattage. It has to meet BOTH.
Anduck: the kit makes 400gh and includes more than 256 chips.
Anduck: they broke the hw amount promise, not the performance promise of the kit
tyrion70: not according to the ppl that bet on the 256 chips being one unit..
tyrion70: 300 chips do > 400gh for <400w
pankkake: regardless of number of chips, which aren't in the bet
fractal: Anduck: The HW promise IS the performance promise! Imagine if you are running a server farm, and Intel says --- "oh, sorry, our chips aren't fast enough --, but heres 1000 extra servers. Oh, you can't fit them in your datacenter because you ran out of space? too bad!!"
Anduck: tyrion70: the bet doesn't require the unit to include 256 chips
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pankkake: don't care about the nubem of chips
fractal: pankkake: yes. But thats not what the bet says.
Anduck: you order 400gh, you get 400gh at <400W
tyrion70: depending on the perspective..
pankkake: ok, rewriting my question: does it do <1W per gh?
Anduck: i am fucking more right than him goddamnit KIDDORAGE INCOMING
Anduck: and the unit does >400 gigahashes, too
fractal: pankkake: 400Gh miner -- "1 Master board 16 hashing boards with 16 Bitfury 55nm ASIC chips for total of 256 chips" -- as advertised -- which is what was required by the bet -- only does 365Gh
pankkake: honestly, I think it should resolve as yes then
pankkake: but the bet does not mention chips or boards or whatever
Anduck: the bet required the unit to produce 400gh at <400W. it does that, even though it does that with more chips than announced
pankkake: it mentions performance, watts, hashes
fractal: pankkake: well, its a no, if you read the bet language.
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tyrion70: but there is no such thing as a unit...
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pankkake: "Devices must meet advertised performance"
tyrion70: so anducks definition of a unit being "whats in the box"
Anduck: it says 25gh unit and 400gh unit - bfsb sold 25gh kit and 400gh kit. so you can pretty much make the assumption that kit=unit there,right?
fractal: pankkake: They did not meet ADVERTISED performance.
tyrion70: and fractals definition of 256 chips is correct to..
pankkake: number of chips is not performance
fractal: pankkake: 400Gh miner -- "1 Master board 16 hashing boards with 16 Bitfury 55nm ASIC chips for total of 256 chips" -- as advertised -- only does 365Gh
Anduck: tyrion70: the bet was about the unit performance, not about the unit chip amount
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tyrion70: but the definiton of a kit is not in the bet..
Anduck: a kit was promised to do 400 ghash and it does that
fractal: pankkake: Hashrate for the 400Gh kit/unit as defined by the hardware, as advertsied , was not met.
fractal: Anduck: No, it only does 365Gh
Anduck: but one ordered 400gh kit and got 400gh?
tyrion70: hence it can be read as "what I receive when I order one" or "1 m board 16 h boards and 256 chips"
Anduck: i buy 1 kit, i get >400gh
fractal: Anduck: Thats not what the bet says.
Anduck: 400gh kit does 400gh, thats what the bet says
Anduck: we already accepted that kit=unit
mircea_popescu: incidentally, is this bitfury pcb stuff pretty much the most open/modder friendly asic miner to date ?
fractal: The bet says the 400Gh UNIT as advertised -- "1 Master board 16 hashing boards with 16 Bitfury 55nm ASIC chips for total of 256 chips" -- must be at least 400Gh -- it is not.
Anduck: fractal: the chip count is different, performance of the unit is not
Anduck: the chips can be run at >3 GH
fractal: Anduck: the performance was not met. It is only 365Gh.
Anduck: at bfsb boards they do max 1,5
Anduck: fractal: i order 400gh unit, i get 400gh.
fractal: Anduck: The bet only talks about the performance of the unit --
fractal: which is -- "1 Master board 16 hashing boards with 16 Bitfury 55nm ASIC chips for total of 256 chips" -- must be at least 400Gh -- it is not.
Anduck: and i get a 400gh unit and it does the 400gh? chip count changed, yes
pankkake: they spent more time working on the miner than on the PR and cases, it seems
Anduck: i get a 400gh KIT which is same as 400gh UNIT as we already accepted.
Anduck: the chip itself is awesome
Anduck: fractal: the link is not part of the bet
fractal: You are now disagreeing with thegensisblock also
Anduck: only bitfurystrikesback.com is referred to
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Anduck: and bitfurystrikesback says 400gh kit (unit) will deliver 400gh at <400W. this was met
fractal: That's a picture of the kit/unit. it doeesn't do 400Gh....
Anduck: it's a picture of 1 m-board filled with 16 h-cards
fractal: the 400Gh UNIT as advertised -- "1 Master board 16 hashing boards with 16 Bitfury 55nm ASIC chips for total of 256 chips" -- must be at least 400Gh -- it is not.
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kakobrekla: i think the conclusion of the story is buy s.bbet
Anduck: bitfurystrikesback says 400gh kit (same as 400 gh unit as we accepted) will deliver 400gh at <400W. this was met. the chip count though was changed from 256 to more.
pankkake: kakobrekla: I'm waiting for the TAT PT
fractal: Anduck: Thats not what the bet says. the bet says a 400Gh miner, as advertised -- "1 Master board 16 hashing boards with 16 Bitfury 55nm ASIC chips for total of 256 chips" -- must be at least 400Gh -- it is not.
Anduck: dude read what i wrote
fractal: Read what I wrote with care as well.
Anduck: they failed that. they had to ship more hw to make the unit
Anduck: but thats not part of the goddamn bet
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fractal: Which means the bet is a no. they shipped more because they missed on performance. its the same as a refund.
Anduck: the unit changed from 1 m-board filled with 16 h-cards to 2 m-boards with 19 h-cards. so they failed this.. but the UNIT does as performed
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fractal: Anduck: The fact is that people betting on bitbet.us can ONLY go by what the language of the bet says --- The bet says a 400Gh miner, as advertised, must be 400Gh.... The advertised Miner was -- "1 Master board 16 hashing boards with 16 Bitfury 55nm ASIC chips for total of 256 chips" -- it is onlt 365Gh.
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Anduck: the advertised miner performance, which the bet is about, is 400gh at <400W.
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fractal: Anduck: the fact that they had to do that, means that they missed performance on their 400Gh 'kit' and the bet is a no.
Anduck: the amount of hardware for the unit changed but it's not part of the bet
fractal: Anduck: Thats not what the bet says
pankkake: the bet mentions advertised performance, not advertised specs
Anduck: the bet doesn't require the unit/kit to be 1 m-board with 16 h-boards
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Anduck: it requires the unit/kit to perform as promised, that is 25gh at 40W or 400gh at 400W
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fractal: pankkake: it says the performance of a UNIT AS ADVERTISED. The advertised 400Gh Miner was -- "1 Master board 16 hashing boards with 16 Bitfury 55nm ASIC chips for total of 256 chips" -- it is onlt 365Gh.
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 50 @ 0.023 = 1.15 BTC [-]
pankkake: it's not performance, and what is performance is mentionned in the bet
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pankkake: stop copy/pasting that line it's annoying
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fractal: pankkake: yes, and the unit mentioned in the bet failed on performance.
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Anduck: no it doesn't say "performance of the unit as advertised". it says "must meet advertised performance (25 GH/s unit 40W, 400 GH/s unit 400W) "
fractal: and the 400Gh unit is "1 Master board 16 hashing boards with 16 Bitfury 55nm ASIC chips for total of 256 chips" -- which only does 365Gh.
Anduck: and we agreed already that unit is the same thing as the kit.
Anduck: the kits are promised as the parenthesis says and that is met
Anduck: but it's more than that
fractal: that is what was advertised, and that is what the language of the bet says
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Anduck: so they failed that part? but not the performance of the kit?
fractal: All that matter is the language of the bet. that is why people make NO/YES bets. based on the language of the bet
fractal: Anduck: the 400Gh Kit failed on performance.
fractal: A 400Gh kit is "1 Master board 16 hashing boards with 16 Bitfury 55nm ASIC chips for total of 256 chips"
Anduck: the language says that the kit must perform as promised. the kit perform promise is at the bfsb shop:
Anduck: Total power draw max. 400W (Efficiency at wall depends on your PSU)
fractal: No, it doesn't perform as promised
FabianB_: why not just wait a few hours and see what it resolves to?
Anduck: order 400gh unit -> get 400gh mining power at promised efficiency. how does it not perform as promised?
fractal: Because the 400Gh unit only hashes at 365Gh.
Anduck: there was no promise of the hardware to perform X way, only the kit
fractal: And a kit is "is "1 Master board 16 hashing boards with 16 Bitfury 55nm ASIC chips for total of 256 chips"
fractal: which only performs at 365gh
Anduck: you must mean that 1 m-board + 16 h-boards only does 365 gh?
Anduck: the kit is 400gh at <400W. that's the important part
Anduck: the kit hardware got changed, performance didn't
fractal: Not according to the language of the bet....
fractal: Thats not what the bet says
Anduck: the bet says that only advertised performance of the kit must be met
Anduck: we already agreed that the kit is the same as the unit.
fractal: No, its not met -- a kit is "1 Master board 16 hashing boards with 16 Bitfury 55nm ASIC chips for total of 256 chips". It does not do 400Gh.
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Anduck: a kit was meant to be that hardware, yes. but it failed that. it's more hardware
pankkake: the bet does not fucking mention chips and boards
Anduck: still performs as promised but with more hardware than promised
fractal: Which, according to the language of the bet, means it missed performance.
Anduck: it only mentions the KIT performance
pankkake: chips and boards is not performance
Anduck: indeed but fractal can't understand it :(
fractal: pankkake: It mentions a UNIT - which is is "1 Master board 16 hashing boards with 16 Bitfury 55nm ASIC chips for total of 256 chips". its not irrelevant. sorry.
fractal: pankkake: sorry. its not irrelevant. because english.
Anduck: fractal: unit is a kit as we already talked before.
pankkake: you ignore "performance" but yet focus on "unit"
pankkake: what do you think is more important?
fractal: Anduck: which is is "1 Master board 16 hashing boards with 16 Bitfury 55nm ASIC chips for total of 256 chips" - which does not do 400Gh
Anduck: they said that 400gh kit will have 256 chips to make the 400gh. they had to add more chips. and the kit does 400gh
fractal: pankkake: all conditions of the bet must be met for it to be a yes. All conditions were not met. The unit/kit in question does not perform at 400Gh.
fractal: Anduck: Thats not what the language of the bet says.
Anduck: fractal: yeah that 1 m-board + 16 h-boards wasn't enough for a kit, they had to add more hw
Anduck: more chips to make the 400gh kit
Anduck: performance of the kit didn't change
Anduck: the bet wasn't about kit chip amount
fractal: which means they missed performance. So the 400Gh kit in question at the time the bet was made, did not meed performance.
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Anduck: the 400gh kit is 400gh kit, dependless of the chip amount it includes. it was only about that the 400gh kit will make 400gh at promised efficiency
fractal: Again, thats not what the bet says.
Anduck: that is actually right what the bet says
Anduck: must meet advertised performance (25 GH/s unit 40W, 400 GH/s unit 400W)
fractal: And the 400Gh unit is 365Gh.
Anduck: and we already agreed unit is same as kit
Anduck: and i can get the logs about that why it is so
Anduck: the kit does >400gh as promised.
fractal: UNIT is 1 KIT of 1-mboard. anything more then that is no longer a single unit or kit.
fractal: Anduck: No, it doesn't. it is only 365Gh.
Anduck: the 400gh unit includes more chips than promised, yes. but the performance is the same
Anduck: the performance is as promised, that's only thing that is important for the bet
fractal: They shipped more hardware, and are by far the best ASIC manufactuerer so far, and I will order from them... and they've done a great job..... but that has nothing to do with the bet language
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fractal: Anduck: The performance of the 400Gh UNIT is only 365Gh.
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Anduck: doesn't matter does the miner color or size or chip amount change. it performs as promised. the kit said 400gh at <400W and thats what they delivered.
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Anduck: and the kit is the same as unit in the bet description
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fractal: You are trying to change what you meant after the fact.... when the bet started -- everyone assumed that a 400Gh KIT was "1 Master board 16 hashing boards with 16 Bitfury 55nm ASIC chips for total of 256 chips"
Anduck: but the bet wasn't about that to be as promised
Anduck: the bet was about the kit hashrate and efficiency
Anduck: the kit includes a lot more than only m-boards and h-boards
fractal: You can't change after the fact what UNIT was supposed to mean. Also. Nobody who ordered a 400Gh unit actually got 2-mboards so far.
Anduck: the unit is the same as a kit as we've already talked earlier, right?
fractal: the guy on the forums ordered a 400 kit AND a 25 kit
Anduck: he got 2 m-boards for the 400gh kit
Anduck: so he got more chips than 256.. so they failed that, they had to add the chip count
Anduck: but the hashrate of 400gh unit is 400gh. (actually more). and the efficiency is as promised
fractal: No. he got a 400gh KIT as advertised -- ""1 Master board 16 hashing boards with 16 Bitfury 55nm ASIC chips for total of 256 chips" -- which missed performance targets. that the compmany sent him more hardware has nothing to do with the fact that the 400Gh unit AS ADVERTISED is 365gh
fractal: Again, you have to go by the language of the bet.
fractal: When people placed the bet, all the information they had to go by was that a UNIT was , as advertised , "1 Master board 16 hashing boards with 16 Bitfury 55nm ASIC chips for total of 256 chips" .... This is the only amount of hardware they were taking into consideration when making the bet.
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Anduck: 400gh unit performance described at the bitfurystrikesback.com (the bet was about this only, not the chip or hardware amount)
Anduck: Total power draw max. 400W (Efficiency at wall depends on your PSU)
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Anduck: so there's NOTHING unclear about this
fractal: INCLUDED: "1 Master board 16 hashing boards with 16 Bitfury 55nm ASIC chips for total of 256 chips" "1 Raspberry PI"
fractal: if they have to ship more, the UNIT missed performance, and the bet is a no
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Anduck: the unit missed hardware promise
Anduck: not performance promise
fractal: yes they missed performance promise
Anduck: Total power draw max. 400W (Efficiency at wall depends on your PSU)
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fractal: INCLUDED: "1 Master board 16 hashing boards with 16 Bitfury 55nm ASIC chips for total of 256 chips"
Anduck: they advertised 400gh for the unit and thats what it does
Anduck: rulother-tab: whats your opinion?
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Anduck: but the one who ordered it got 400gh?
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fractal: Anduck: Sure. but thats not what the bet says.
Anduck: the bet talks about advertised performance
fractal: a UNIT was , as advertised , "1 Master board 16 hashing boards with 16 Bitfury 55nm ASIC chips for total of 256 chips" -- this does not do 400Gh.
rulother-tab: I think if in the end it does the total hashing power then that's all that matters
pankkake: if the bet resolves as Yes I would be happy because fractal will be unhappy. if the bet is No I will be happy because I get my money back. cool!
fractal: rulother-tab: I agree, but thats not what the language of the bet says
fractal: pankkake: wow, you are a jerk.
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Anduck: there's no way it should end up as a no since all the requirements are met.
fractal: pankkake: I never wish other people to be unhappy. you're not very nice.
fractal: All the requirements of the bet are not met.... The 400Gh unit is only 365Gh
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Anduck: 256 chips does that 365, full 400gh unit does 400gh
Anduck: the chip amount changed, allright?
Anduck: performance of the 400g unit DID not
fractal: rulother-tab: Its great that they got more then what they ordered. But what is at debate here is what a 400Gh unit is. At the time the bet was made it was defined at "a UNIT was , as advertised , "1 Master board 16 hashing boards with 16 Bitfury 55nm ASIC chips for total of 256 chips" -- and that only does 365Gh. which means all conditions of the bet are not met
fractal: Anduck: The 400Gh unit is only 365Gh
pankkake: you're disengenious and keep repeating things about chips that are completely irrelevant
fractal: pankkake: I'm repeating whats relevent to the bet.
fractal: pankkake: again, you're a jerk.
fractal: yes it is, because people assumed the 400Gh unit was a UNIT was , "1 Master board 16 hashing boards with 16 Bitfury 55nm ASIC chips for total of 256 chips" -- thats what they based their bet on.... to say otherwise is a bait and switch scam, fraud, and nothing more.
fractal: pankkake: well, if you side with bait and switch fraudsters who can change the definition of a UNIT after the fact, then I guess i shouldn't worry about you calling me a jerk
pankkake: aren't you tired of copy/pasting?
tyrion70: jezus guys.. i feel like an atheist in between catholics and jehova's witnesses
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pankkake: 1 Master board 16 hashing boards with 16 Bitfury 55nm ASIC chips for total of 256 chips 1 Master board 16 hashing boards with 16 Bitfury 55nm ASIC chips for total of 256 chips 1 Master board 16 hashing boards with 16 Bitfury 55nm ASIC chips for total of 256 chips 1 Master board 16 hashing boards with 16 Bitfury 55nm ASIC chips for total of 256 chips 1 Master board 16 hashing boards with 16 Bitfury 55nm ASIC chips for total of 256 chips 1 Master b
fractal: pankkake: absolutely. I'm sure Anduck is also tired of pretending a KIT/UNIT is more then what was advertised.
Anduck: it's actually more than advertised but that's not relevant
Anduck: it does the 400gh as promised, that is relevant. and that it does it at promised efficiency
fractal: pankkake: No, it only does 365Gh.
Anduck: the chip amount has changed. this is not as relevant
fractal: the 400Gh unit is infact a 365Gh unit.
Anduck: yeah with the old amount of chips it would do 365gh but the kit had to make 400gh so they had to add more chips
Anduck: ending up with a 400gh kit performing >400gh at <400W
fractal: Thats not what the bet said.
fractal: Again, we can only go by the language of the bet.
Anduck: the bet only addressed the promise of performance, not the promise of chip count
pankkake: what part of the bet mentions the number of chips?
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fractal: 400Gh UNIT was advertised as "1 Master board 16 hashing boards with 16 Bitfury 55nm ASIC chips for total of 256 chips"
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fractal: To be honest -- if there ever was a case to invalidate a bet -- i think this would be it...
fractal: Hopefully everyone can learn a lesson from this -- and realize that bet language must be very specific.
fractal: Otherwise people will try to change what a UNIT means after the fact
Anduck: why would the bet be invalidated?
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Anduck: but the bet doesn't address the unit chip count right?
tyrion70: it doesn't specify what a unit is.. so it might..
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Anduck: only the performance of the units that was 25gh and 400gh unit? the chip count that was promised got changed in both units, yes
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Anduck: but the bet doesn't talk about chip count
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Anduck: it only talks about performance of the units
tyrion70: yes but it does not define a unit..
fractal: Anduck: for the record, even MXRider calls them 2 units -- "Some info and pictures of my units: 400GH unit and 25GH unit."
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Anduck: each unit includes enough stuff to make 400gh
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tyrion70: and to answer that there is not enough info in the bet..
fractal: Anduck: the post you're using to prove your point disagrees with you. He says "Some info and pictures of my units: 400GH unit and 25GH unit."
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Anduck: tyrion70: when the bet talks about unit (25gh and 400gh) it means the kits you can buy from shop (25gh and 400gh), isn't that very clear?
Anduck: i am not proving a point
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Anduck: i am trying to make the bet to resolve correctly
tyrion70: anduck, yes which would mean that one would have to visit their site in order to see what a "unit" is..
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tyrion70: then at the site one would see that a kit containts 1 m board and 16 h boards..
Anduck: tyrion70: so there's no info about what hardware the unit has? though it's not important, only the hashrate and efficiency is
tyrion70: then the bet would always be yes..........
fractal: Anduck: tyrion70 is explaining exactly why people can technically read the bet different to others.... you have to at least realize this
Anduck: what the site says about the performance:
Anduck: Total power draw max. 400W (Efficiency at wall depends on your PSU)
tyrion70: of KnC would ship two boxes for a jupiter..
tyrion70: it would not be one unit right??
Anduck: tyrion70: bfsb boards werent sold in boxes
fractal: Anduck: which includes "1 Master board 16 hashing boards with 16 Bitfury 55nm ASIC chips "
tyrion70: even if it hashed at 400gh/1kw
Anduck: they were sold as cards and boards
Anduck: and those formed in as units
fractal: Anduck: A unit is whatever fits on 1 M-board
Anduck: units that are same as kits as we talked earlier
Anduck: what definition is that??
tyrion70: yeah so you could read a unit as 1 m board and 16 h boards..
fractal: Anduck: any rational person would come to that conclusion.
Anduck: tyrion70: can you also read that a unit is 1 m-board and 1 h-board?
Anduck: no, they're KITS that are built from boards and cards
Anduck: the kit is same thing is a unit - as we talked earlier
fractal: Anduck: BUT the website says that KIT is "1 Master board 16 hashing boards with 16 Bitfury 55nm ASIC chips "
Anduck: fractal: yes it does. and it changed
mircea_popescu: i wonder if this discussion has hashed worth a block by now.
Anduck: but the performance did not
Anduck: the bet wasnt about chip count
Anduck: it was about performance
tyrion70: it changed.. so it invalidates the bet..
tyrion70: Bets can indeed be cancelled, but only if BitBet judges that material changes make the bet meaningless.
Anduck: the 25gh and 400gh units performance. both units got chips added but the performance promise is met
tyrion70: the bet was talking about "a unit"...
fractal: Anduck: the 400GH 'UNIT' does infact only hash at 365-380Gh.
tyrion70: and "a unit" changed during the course of the bet correct anduck?
fractal: even genesisblock calls it a UNIT.. 16 h-bards on 1 m-board
Anduck: 1 m-board with 256 chips does that.
Anduck: tyrion70: unit is the kit. we already talked about this. it's the only way to understand it as thats the only thing defined
tyrion70: and they changed the kit correct?
Anduck: when the bet talks about unit, it means the kit
FabianB_: mircea_popescu: it's more of a loop of same input again and again
Anduck: but the PERFORMANCE is still the same
tyrion70: that depends on how you see a unit anduck...
tyrion70: and by changing the definition of a kit they changed the perspective..
Anduck: if unit===kit, kit gets more chips added === unit gets more chips added
Anduck: the unit must mean the kit since thats what's defined
Anduck: and it's the logical way. the other way would be to think that 1 unit is 1 full m-board. but thats not how it's defined
fractal: Performance is only 1 aspect of the bet -- there are many conditions. 1) it has to ship by sept 1 - yes 2) 5 people have to post it on forums - yes 3) the 400Gh 'UNIT' as defined at the time of writing should hash at 400Gh. - no.
Anduck: since there's no such thing as unit defined.. but the kit is defined at bfsb.com
tyrion70: yes so one could argue that a unit == kit ==256 chips..
fractal: Anduck: any rational person would assume the 400Gh unit to be a KIT as defined on the BFSB.com website.
tyrion70: and now they changed it to ~300 chips..
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fractal: Anduck: If they never shipped a 'UNIT' then I guess the bet is invalid, since they only shipped 'KITS'?
Anduck: the unit is the same thing as kit. the bet says "25 gh and 400gh unit" and bitfurystrikesback sells 25gh kit and 400gh kit so you can pretty much say those are the same
Anduck: we already talked about this earlier
fractal: OK, and a 400Gh unit, according to the Genesisbloack, and MXRider is defined at 1 M-board and 16 H-cards
tyrion70: yes but you only remember half of what I said there apparently anduck..
Anduck: tyrion70: yeah, unit==kit==256 chips but it got changed to ~300 chips. but it maintained the promised performance
Anduck: tyrion70: i remember the conclusion
tyrion70: that depends on your viewpoint anduck..
Anduck: people didn't need to pay for the hardware change of the unit
tyrion70: it's a silent dollar but its there..
fractal: Anduck: don't you think if NO bettors bet based on one definition of UNIT, and then the definition of a UNIT changed, then it's disingenuous to people who bet no?
tyrion70: if you would have had to pay more for this board...
Anduck: how did it change fractal?
Anduck: unit refers to the 400gh kit, right
tyrion70: would you still think its a yes anduck?
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fractal: Anduck: 1 UNIT is "1 Master board 16 hashing boards with 16 Bitfury 55nm ASIC chips "
tyrion70: so you added a variable to the bet..
Anduck: if i had to pay more, it would definately be a no
tyrion70: but that $ is not in the bet..
Anduck: fractal: 1 unit is 1 kit
tyrion70: your viewpoint is in dollars..
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tyrion70: fractals viewpoint is in chips..
Anduck: the bet was about kit performance.
Anduck: the performance of the kit is as promised
tyrion70: well why would it be a no if they asked for 100$?
Anduck: that someone think unit is strictly 256 chips as they said?
fractal: In my view as well, getting more hardware is the same as if the manufacturer missed performance, let them keep the 365Gh UNIT, and offered a $ refund.
Anduck: tyrion70: why are you adding this money variable here since it's totally irrelevant
tyrion70: its relevant because you don't recognize it as being a variable..
Anduck: but the customer orders 400ghash unit, gets the 400ghash unit, whats the missed performance then?
fractal: Anduck: But they didn't get a 400Gh unit. they got a 365Gh unit.
Anduck: customer pays 15000 usd for the 400ghash unit and gets 400 ghash unit for that 15000 usd
tyrion70: what I mean to say is that you look at it from a dollar perspective..
Anduck: fractal: every customer who bought 400gh unit will or did already get 400gh unit.
Anduck: the unit just includes more chips than what was promised
tyrion70: and fractal payed for a 256 chip 400ghash unit and gets 400 ghash with 300 chips...
tyrion70: that's a different viewpoint..
tyrion70: and both chipcount and dollars are not in the bet description..
tyrion70: hence they are both valid or invalid..
Anduck: but he gets what he paid for, performance wise, right? the bet was only about performance, not about the hardware of the unit
tyrion70: ok why can't he disagree on 30 more chips.. and you can disagree on 30 more $??
fractal: Anduck: But the definition of a unit , as advertised by bsfb.com, was "1 Master board 16 hashing boards with 16 Bitfury 55nm ASIC chips " -- and it is not 400Gh
Anduck: tyrion70: there's only performance requirement for the kit. 400gh kit must do 400gh at <400W
fractal: Anduck: thats not what the bet says
Anduck: fractal: thats the definition yes and it chanegd
tyrion70: you just said, if you had to pay more it was a no right?
Anduck: it totally changed, so what?
fractal: So what is that its not fair to NO betters who based their bets on the definition of a UNIT as advertsied at the time of writing the bet.
kakobrekla: interestingly enough, the bet doesnt even mention asic chips.
Anduck: because the bet doesn't address the unit hardware, only the unit performance!!!
fractal: And the performance of the UNIT was not 400Gh
Anduck: they could've shipped GPU's worth of 400 ghash
tyrion70: if it only mentions performance..
tyrion70: why would the bet be a no if you had to pay 30$ more?
Anduck: but too bad 400 gigahash of GPU's would draw more than >400W so the performance requirement wouldnt be met
fractal: ok, i'll remove the chip count from the description... and add 1-raspberry pi
Anduck: tyrion70: "Bitfury EU August orders"
Anduck: when you pay for your order, it's an order
Anduck: if you get an option to buy something more, it's a different order
tyrion70: where does it state how much it should cost?
fractal: 1 UNIT is, as advertised - "1 Master board. 16 hashing boards. 1 Raspberry Pi Model B"
Anduck: fractal: and that changed to more hardware, performance of the unit is still kept as promised
fractal: Anduck: No, performance of the UNIT as defined in the bet is 365Gh
Anduck: you can't talk about 1 unit to be that since there was a different unit/kit available too
Anduck: they didnt define chips or hardware in the bet
fractal: Anduck: the bet specifically mentions the 400Gh unit.
tyrion70: bitfury.. instead of giving more hardware...
Anduck: bitfurystrikesback.com product description of the 400gh unit:
Anduck: Total power draw max. 400W (Efficiency at wall depends on your PSU)
fractal: INCLUDES:- "1 Master board. 16 hashing boards. 1 Raspberry Pi Model B"
tyrion70: gave you a 1-m and 16h board with 200$?
Anduck: tyrion70: it wouldn't produce 400gh so no
Anduck: but the bet addresses performance only, not chip amount
fractal: Anduck: the 400Gh unit doesn't produce 400Gh... it produces 365Gh..... the extra hardware is shipped to make up for performance misses..... its VERY GOOD PR and means bitfury is a great company, but it also means not all condiitons of the bet were met.
Anduck: one orders 400gh, he gets 400gh. it performs 400gh.
tyrion70: isn't that kind of weird anduck?
tyrion70: the performance of the machine should stay the same
fractal: Anduck: thats right.... nobody is disagreeing with that. We're talking about the bet language which defines a UNIT as as advertised - "1 Master board. 16 hashing boards. 1 Raspberry Pi Model B" -- this is 365Gh
tyrion70: I'd expect a unit to have a performance..
Anduck: it does define the unit to be 400gh unit or 25gh unit
Anduck: it doesnt address the hardware the unit includes
Anduck: it only addresses the PERFORMANCE of the unit
fractal: Anduck: yes it does. bfsb.com says the hardware unit is "as advertised - "1 Master board. 16 hashing boards. 1 Raspberry Pi Model B""
Anduck: only the performance must be met, nothing about hardware itself
tyrion70: ok but it means that bitfury can influence the outcome of the bet with a technicality..
Anduck: fractal: yeah but thats not the performance promise lol
fractal: a UNIT has to have performance. and the definition of the UNIT is what bfsb.com says -as advertised - "1 Master board. 16 hashing boards. 1 Raspberry Pi Model B"
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 5 @ 0.024 = 0.12 BTC [+]
Anduck: bitfurystrikesback defines their 400gh kit performance this way:
Anduck: Total power draw max. 400W (Efficiency at wall depends on your PSU)
Anduck: that is what the bet talks about, right?
tyrion70: well.. if they bet on Yes they would fix that with this solution.. whilst not improving the hardware itself..
fractal: For a UNIT to have performance, there has to be a UNIT that someone can speak of .... the UNIT is question is " "1 Master board. 16 hashing boards. 1 Raspberry Pi Model B"
Anduck: tyrion70: they could do whatever they want, add or remove the hardware. think about that what if 1 h-card produced 50 ghash
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 5 @ 0.024 = 0.12 BTC [+]
Anduck: would they ship 16 h-cards as promised for 400gh unit?
Anduck: no, they would ship 400gh worth of h-cards
fractal: Anduck: then the bet would be a yes. it would over-perform.
tyrion70: well if I ordered them and I cleared shelves in my rack I'd be very sad if they were 10 times as large as advertized...
Anduck: which would only make it 8 h-cards. the customer buys 400gh unit. 400gh unit produces 400gh
tyrion70: From my viewpoint they would not meet performance..
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 3 @ 0.024 = 0.072 BTC [+]
Anduck: it's not really relevant does the kit include 10000 chips or 10 chips to make the 400gh unit hash that 400gh. the requirement in the bet was that 400gh unit hashes 400gh at <400W
tyrion70: they changed the definition of a unit halfway the bet..
Anduck: the unit is 400gh unit. unit produces 400gh < 400W
Anduck: but performance didnt change
assbot: [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 10 @ 0.00179 = 0.0179 BTC [-]
Anduck: the bet was only about performance, not about sizee
tyrion70: but apparently it was about dollars..
fractal: Anduck: The bet says performance for a 400Gh UNIT.
fractal: the definition of a UNIT here is very important.
tyrion70: cuz if you had to pay more it would have been a no..
saulimus: you've been talking about this for more than an hour
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.VIRTUALMINE] 12 @ 0.0007016 = 0.0084 BTC [-]
Anduck: weve talked about this for about 6-7 hours
saulimus: stop talking then, it's clearly going nowhere
Anduck: the bet doesnt require certain chip amount, only performance promise must be met
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 565 @ 0.00362 = 2.0453 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 25 @ 0.00362 = 0.0905 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 410 @ 0.003619 = 1.4838 BTC [-]
fractal: saulimus is right.... I'll unilaterally stop discussion for a while. so I can regain my sanity.
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.VIRTUALMINE] 100 @ 0.0007015 = 0.0702 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 4 @ 0.024 = 0.096 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.VIRTUALMINE] 13 @ 0.0007004 = 0.0091 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.024 = 0.048 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 12 @ 0.004131 = 0.0496 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.VIRTUALMINE] 475 @ 0.0007002 = 0.3326 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 50 @ 0.00413 = 0.2065 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 137 @ 0.004122 = 0.5647 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 34 @ 0.004118 = 0.14 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 250 @ 0.00411 = 1.0275 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 17 @ 0.004109 = 0.0699 BTC [-]
fractal: I think this is a serious discussion to have If i were bitbet.... its clear they shipped on time and are a great company .... but the language of the bet here -- specifically what a 'UNIT' is defined as-- is very important.
fractal: I hope they dont decide without a long discussion
assbot: [BTCTC] [PETA-MINE] 2 @ 0.6499 = 1.2998 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.MINING] 55 @ 0.003374 = 0.1856 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 96 @ 0.00362 = 0.3475 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 385 @ 0.003617 = 1.3925 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 450 @ 0.003617 = 1.6277 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 199 @ 0.003615 = 0.7194 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 72 @ 0.003612 = 0.2601 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 1200 @ 0.003611 = 4.3332 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 1100 @ 0.00361 = 3.971 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 815 @ 0.003607 = 2.9397 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 150 @ 0.003601 = 0.5402 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 2000 @ 0.003601 = 7.202 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 1000 @ 0.0036 = 3.6 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 300 @ 0.0036 = 1.08 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.MINING] 69 @ 0.003375 = 0.2329 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 450 @ 0.0036 = 1.62 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [PETA-MINE] 2 @ 0.65 = 1.3 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 2.471 = 4.942 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 59 @ 0.00412 = 0.2431 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 2.47 = 12.35 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 24 @ 0.003573 = 0.0858 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 347 @ 0.003571 = 1.2391 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 100 @ 0.003569 = 0.3569 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 100 @ 0.003566 = 0.3566 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 600 @ 0.003557 = 2.1342 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 35 @ 0.003557 = 0.1245 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 200 @ 0.003556 = 0.7112 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 347 @ 0.003556 = 1.2339 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 200 @ 0.003556 = 0.7112 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 65 @ 0.0036 = 0.234 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 14 @ 0.004121 = 0.0577 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 174 @ 0.003557 = 0.6189 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.47 BTC [-]
Lomus: PETA-MINE worth it?
assbot: [BTCTC] [PETA-MINE] 1 @ 0.65 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 1 @ 0.004121 BTC [+]
jurov: Lomus yes, no animals harmed
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.468 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.466 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 2.466 = 7.398 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 2.464 = 4.928 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.454 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 2.453 = 4.906 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 10 @ 2.453 = 24.53 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.452 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 2.452 = 7.356 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.451 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 20 @ 2.451 = 49.02 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.451 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.45 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 4 @ 2.45 = 9.8 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.45 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 2.45 = 4.9 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 28 @ 0.004114 = 0.1152 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 113 @ 0.004114 = 0.4649 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 108 @ 0.00411 = 0.4439 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.448 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 2.44 = 4.88 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 2.44 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 2.42 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 12 @ 2.44 = 29.28 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.0239 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [BFMINES] 10 @ 0.001632 = 0.0163 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [W4A-BOOK] 1 @ 0.1801 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [W4A-BOOK] 10 @ 0.18 = 1.8 BTC [-]
zoinky: does BTCT have a websocket?
zoinky: wheres assbot get its feed?
assbot: [BTCTC] [PETA-MINE] 3 @ 0.65 = 1.95 BTC [+]
pankkake: it doesn't have a web socket, at least not a public one. even the "realtime" thing is just a page refreshed every other second
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.VIRTUALMINE] 2 @ 0.0008699 = 0.0017 BTC [+]
zoinky: so is the easiest way to get a feed to have a ircbot watching assbot?
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.VIRTUALMINE] 12 @ 0.0008699 = 0.0104 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 3 @ 0.024 = 0.072 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 15 @ 0.024 = 0.36 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 45 @ 0.024 = 1.08 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.44 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [PETA-MINE] 3 @ 0.65 = 1.95 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 3 @ 0.01692 = 0.0508 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.MINING] 26 @ 0.003375 = 0.0878 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [PETA-MINE] 2 @ 0.65 = 1.3 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [NASTY-PT] 10 @ 0.00325 = 0.0325 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 16 @ 0.003599 = 0.0576 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 9 @ 0.0036 = 0.0324 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 16 @ 0.0036 = 0.0576 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [NASTY-PT] 1 @ 0.00325 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1800 @ 0.00087082 = 1.5675 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 70 @ 0.0007803 = 0.0546 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 43 @ 0.024 = 1.032 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 10 @ 0.024 = 0.24 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [LABCO] 3 @ 0.0031 = 0.0093 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 270 @ 0.00411 = 1.1097 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 983 @ 0.004109 = 4.0391 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 99 @ 0.004109 = 0.4068 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 3 @ 0.004107 = 0.0123 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 50 @ 0.004105 = 0.2053 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 1183 @ 0.004105 = 4.8562 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 1000 @ 0.004104 = 4.104 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 128 @ 0.004101 = 0.5249 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 190 @ 0.0041 = 0.779 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 2500 @ 0.0041 = 10.25 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 10 @ 0.0041 = 0.041 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 500 @ 0.0041 = 2.05 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 711 @ 0.004031 = 2.866 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 600 @ 0.00403 = 2.418 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 300 @ 0.004025 = 1.2075 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 40 @ 0.004025 = 0.161 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 200 @ 0.004008 = 0.8016 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 250 @ 0.004003 = 1.0008 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 5 @ 0.004001 = 0.02 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 5000 @ 0.004001 = 20.005 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.MINING] 3 @ 0.0033 = 0.0099 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.MINING] 2 @ 0.0033 = 0.0066 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.MINING] 3 @ 0.0033 = 0.0099 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.MINING] 340 @ 0.0033 = 1.122 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.MINING] 1 @ 0.003374 BTC [+]
assbot: Last trade for DMS.SELLING on BTCTC was at 0.01285 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 99 @ 0.004003 = 0.3963 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 26 @ 0.004007 = 0.1042 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 2 @ 0.004006 = 0.008 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 87 @ 0.004005 = 0.3484 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 1000 @ 0.004002 = 4.002 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 75 @ 0.004002 = 0.3002 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 5 @ 0.004 = 0.02 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 5 @ 0.004 = 0.02 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 490 @ 0.004 = 1.96 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [PETA-MINE] 10 @ 0.65 = 6.5 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 16 @ 0.003579 = 0.0573 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5100 @ 0.00087082 = 4.4412 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3100 @ 0.00087026 = 2.6978 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4758 @ 0.00086884 = 4.1339 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 3 @ 0.003559 = 0.0107 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.499 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.MINING] 38 @ 0.003226 = 0.1226 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.MINING] 300 @ 0.003225 = 0.9675 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.MINING] 22 @ 0.00322 = 0.0708 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.MINING] 3 @ 0.003213 = 0.0096 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.MINING] 3 @ 0.00321 = 0.0096 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.MINING] 2 @ 0.003201 = 0.0064 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.MINING] 100 @ 0.003201 = 0.3201 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.MINING] 41 @ 0.0032 = 0.1312 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.MINING] 6 @ 0.0032 = 0.0192 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.MINING] 1 @ 0.0032 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.MINING] 1 @ 0.0032 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [PETA-MINE] 20 @ 0.65 = 13 BTC [+]
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 140.44190, Best ask: 140.44192, Bid-ask spread: 0.00002, Last trade: 140.44192, 24 hour volume: 29621.29593549, 24 hour low: 135.89000, 24 hour high: 148.70000, 24 hour vwap: 143.02056
gribble: Next difficulty estimate | 83153841.6921 based on data since last change | 96918516.8521 based on data for last three days
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gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 127.03, Best ask: 128.90, Bid-ask spread: 1.87000, Last trade: 127.03, 24 hour volume: 19393.68175885, 24 hour low: 124.65, 24 hour high: 134.95, 24 hour vwap: None
assbot: [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.181 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [PETA-MINE] 1 @ 0.65 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 7 @ 2.44 = 17.08 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.438 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 4 @ 2.438 = 9.752 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.437 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 20 @ 2.436 = 48.72 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [PETA-MINE] 10 @ 0.65 = 6.5 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 15 @ 0.00402 = 0.0603 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 5 @ 0.00402 = 0.0201 BTC [+]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 500 @ 0.00401 = 2.005 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 200 @ 0.004008 = 0.8016 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 320 @ 0.004 = 1.28 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 5 @ 0.004 = 0.02 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 1630 @ 0.004 = 6.52 BTC [-]
assbot: [BTCTC] [DMS.PURCHASE] 11 @ 0.01588 = 0.1747 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 9 @ 0.0240002 = 0.216 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 12 @ 0.02400001 = 0.288 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 18 @ 0.024 = 0.432 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 20 @ 0.024 = 0.48 BTC [-]