mircea_popescu: optimator i half suspect the whole thing is a staged operation.

mircea_popescu: the sec working with some random malfeasant to establish imaginary authorities over stuff

mircea_popescu: dexX7 magistrate judges stand to district judges roughly in the relationship paralegals stand to lawyers.

mircea_popescu: or ta's to teachers.

mircea_popescu: optimator wouldn't have been the first time.

mircea_popescu: dexX7 if i had a penny for every district judge that ruled obamacare unconstitutional...

mircea_popescu: hardly alive. the us government is by now out of control, entirely. if a district judge orders something they just appeal it. if the appelate court concurs they appeal again.

mircea_popescu: this is a decade of impunity.

mircea_popescu: should the supreme court affirm... they just ignore it.

mircea_popescu: as it was already the case once or twice last year, once before that and a couple of times this year already.

mircea_popescu: i think the populace first spends a decade or two without power or groceries.

mircea_popescu: optimator problem is by the time they see it the culprits will have long left the room.

mircea_popescu: basically the current administration is no different from trendon shavers

mircea_popescu: maybe some difference in scope. but otherwise... i say it's a scam in april, people observe it's a scam in august.

mircea_popescu: scammers only :D

mircea_popescu: a, don't get me wrong, i don't really want them to anything in particular. not really my business.

mircea_popescu: anyway, read up on the magnificent hedges vs obama case,

mircea_popescu: it's pretty good documentation of what a totalitarian regime looks like early on.

mircea_popescu: exo_ not afaik.

mircea_popescu: usually people who get called out for lieing tend to take a little time off.

mircea_popescu: there's mods ?

mircea_popescu: uh. who are either of those ?

mircea_popescu: some guy was here dropping that link. i never read it.

mircea_popescu: people need to learn to use open and accessible formats not fucking pds and google docs.

mircea_popescu: dexX7 pastebin works, forum posts work, blog posts work

mircea_popescu: kakobrekla sounds legit.

mircea_popescu: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-08-07/greek-villagers-chase-tax-collectors-out-town

mircea_popescu: le lol.

mircea_popescu: ahahaha

mircea_popescu: wait, the alberto dude is involved ?!

mircea_popescu: hm.

mircea_popescu: dexX7 you should sometime read through the scamlist.

mircea_popescu: ;;google bitcoin drama timeline

mircea_popescu: not as remarkable if you think i've been at it for years.

mircea_popescu: ah come on.

mircea_popescu: not afaik. you might as well make it.

mircea_popescu: why ty.

mircea_popescu: Kleeck_ the best you can come to that i guess would be people like ThickAsThieves

mircea_popescu: he's on the board and running some investor polling questions thing

mircea_popescu: optimator yeah we were discussing earlier

mircea_popescu: Kleeck_ you must have missed the memo on that.

mircea_popescu: omg surprise sarcasm

mircea_popescu: separate issues. on one hand java, on the other tor.

mircea_popescu: yes/

mircea_popescu: <Menoetius> only reason anyone runs them <<< word.

mircea_popescu: dexX7 that analogy is very inept.

mircea_popescu: i wouldn't know where to begin.

mircea_popescu: suppose instead of trying to get me to argue your points you come up with an actual support for the analogy

mircea_popescu: outside of "they both have names" or "internet"

mircea_popescu: Kleeck_ not so much of a theory. it's a project run by the usg to give its various enemies trouble.

mircea_popescu: this is progressing nicely.

mircea_popescu: dexX7 you mean onion is the protocol ?

mircea_popescu: Kleeck_ the vulnerabilities are well documented tho.

mircea_popescu: Kleeck_ that's nonsense. Egerstad for instance gathered a ton of people's pws.

mircea_popescu: there was also the french team that infiltrated most of ithe network.

mircea_popescu: tor is about as useful for security as ripple is for cryptocurrency

mircea_popescu: pretty solid analogy actuyally.

mircea_popescu: you're here arguing that a laughable piece of schewizer which has in fact been raped to all hell multiple times,

mircea_popescu: most recently last week

mircea_popescu: is somehow to be taken seriously.

mircea_popescu: w/e.

mircea_popescu: you may have a point arguing there may be some redeemable value in onion routing.

mircea_popescu: tor however is not it.

mircea_popescu: same situation as ripple actually.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nothing may be too strong a word.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform irrespective of the hiow, we're discussing the what.

mircea_popescu: compare the gestapo's action in btc (the turning of gavin) with the gestapo's exact same action in tor.

mircea_popescu: one barely noticed, tyhe other died.

mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2013/and-gavin-moves-on-to-the-dark-side-the-bitcoin-project-is-officially-hijacked/

mircea_popescu: my point is however, that the same exact push keeled over one of the two.

mircea_popescu: they got a lot less bang for the same buck here.

mircea_popescu: bitcoin has the fastidious bureaucrats of the new soviets running in the dusts of hillbilly country trying to get entry-level judges to pat them on the head.

mircea_popescu: it's quite humiliating, a point i'm sure isn't lost on anyone but "the community".

mircea_popescu: you don't get in a bureaucracy by having brains.

mircea_popescu: i've yet to see this.

mircea_popescu: at most it can turn into a shambling abomination that screeches "braaainnzzz"

mircea_popescu: but that'd sem different.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform re brains :

mircea_popescu: Dear Comrade Stalin:

mircea_popescu: You have been so rude as to summon my wife to the telephone and use bad language. Although she had told you that she was prepared to forget this, the fact nevertheless became known through her to Zinoviev and Kamenev. I have no intention of forgetting so easily what has been done against me, and it goes without saying that what has been done against my wife I consider having been done against me as well. I ask you, t

mircea_popescu: herefore, to think it over whether you are prepared to withdraw what you have said and to make your apologies, or whether you prefer that relations between us should be broken off.[1]

mircea_popescu: Respectfully yours,

mircea_popescu: Lenin

mircea_popescu: a will is still not a brain.

mircea_popescu: anyway, that nonsense nearly cost him his life. the entire testament of lenin affair was barely - and unlikely - averted by the actual people witgh brains.

mircea_popescu: they didn't make it to 53.

mircea_popescu: no, actually, they're distinct. brain is the soft matter inside. will is the hard bony structures keeping the world away from it.

mircea_popescu: http://www.jasonvolpe.com/should-microsoft-help-nsa-exploit-vulnerabilities/

mircea_popescu: anyway, in all the aggitation about tor im surprised nobody mentioned tails.

mircea_popescu: people with the unmitigated audacity to discuss "misinformation". heh.

mircea_popescu: would have provided immunity in that case, basically.

mircea_popescu: anyway, that's all for today. take it easy all.

mircea_popescu: makes sense.

mircea_popescu: ;;later tell thickasthieves hey, what'd be your estimate of the total asicminer hash delivered to customers ?

mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2013/simple-yet-effective-way-to-troll-white-rich-american-people/

mircea_popescu: if i were living in united retardica i'd be getting rid of my monopoly board right about now.

mircea_popescu: it's not worth the legal implications.

mircea_popescu: his statement is "x could be used as y therefore x is y"./

mircea_popescu: this is logically unsound. i don't need to do more than say that.

mircea_popescu: it also has the unfortunate implication that if used it may turn anything into anything else

mircea_popescu: but this is not news : all logical errors give the errant this magical ability.

mircea_popescu: well that's all there is to it.

mircea_popescu: yes, it does.

mircea_popescu: nothing a judge says may ever be unsound logically.

mircea_popescu: that's in one line the whole profession.

mircea_popescu: nope./

mircea_popescu: fruits of the poisonous tree.

mircea_popescu: what they want to do is irrelevant however.

mircea_popescu: we're discussing this from the perspective of law and the courts, not from the perspective of the soviet administrative apparatus.

mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves we can. let the government dissapear.

mircea_popescu: problem solved.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that's a point, actually.

mircea_popescu: the point is that the people are sovereign and the government an intermeddler, not the other way around.

mircea_popescu: consequently, if the government doesn't like the deal the people are offering it it may stfu and not take it.

mircea_popescu: NOT the other way around, emphatically so.

mircea_popescu: let it take its infrastructure and go away.

mircea_popescu: in nucet.

mircea_popescu: to get back to the above, the problem of separating govt infrastructure from barter exchanges is wholly the government's.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this theory is completely false. you can't pay the good ones you lose with even legions of the shitty ones you get.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform they'll go away once they have no more money to pay for gas.

mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves that's exactly the point. it shall be choked into submission. like it or not, struggle as it might.

mircea_popescu: firsthousefinanc ya

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform because what they do is not worth money.

mircea_popescu: firsthousefinanc you use btcjam, you get what you get.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i know who pays for the zetas.

mircea_popescu: also notably, they're much more effectual and significantly more popular.

mircea_popescu: firsthousefinanc has it ?

mircea_popescu: maybe just a function of most people learning better, since earlier this eyar.

mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves yeah. you've been drafted, because "why not".

mircea_popescu: lol that's a way.

mircea_popescu: lol

mircea_popescu: firsthousefinanc do they have bj roomservice in traveler's hostels ?

mircea_popescu: hm.

mircea_popescu: there's worse fates.

mircea_popescu: lolk

mircea_popescu: "just like financial investors" ?! in what world ?!

mircea_popescu: pankkake i wonder what the real story is there.

mircea_popescu: Ronald Reagan: I do not like Sweden, they support communism.

mircea_popescu: Minister: Sir, but Sweden are anti-communist, Sir.

mircea_popescu: Ronald Reagan: I do not care what kind of communists they are.