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mircea_popescu: it ain't how it works.
takes generations of peopleworking dilligently.
smickles: imporvement over being a computer burner prolly doesn't look like much
to us, but may look like a lot
to
them
mircea_popescu: and your problem is
that you spurn his improving his shitty lot
to shitty+1
dub: well im not sure but I
think
the free market idea is
that he can improve his lot
dub: sure
there is stupidity but its not like jane's son *click*bele mbwamba born with cancer from
the lead in
the water supply can do shit
mircea_popescu: corruption is something of
the people by
the people, it's not fallen from
the sky.
smickles: ug, compartmentalize? you said it was some contractor from my gov't, i'm looking for
that
dub: well again, when you have corrupt authoritarian states forcing
their people
to do
this..
mircea_popescu: <dub> all
this free market ideology is complete bullshit when
the actions of a few prevent
the many from even participating << srsly, it's
the stupidity of
the many
that prevents
them from participating.
dub: also if you are going
to compartmentalise
this into 'the waste I personally generate' well, lol @
the convince smart people stuff
smickles: well, i haven't found details about how most
tucson corpo's recycle
their compies yet
dub: its e-waste contaning metals
they are extracting for resale
dub: did you grasp
that its not 'plastic'
they are burning?
mircea_popescu: no. idiots who invest in pirate and masquerade as "smart" "know"
these "things"
dub: I'm not
trying
to educate
dub: smickles: smart people know
these
things
mircea_popescu: smickles i
think he just wants
to unwind from
the brainless zombie regurgitated crap he's bombarded with non stop in
the "civilised" world.
dub: all
this free market ideology is complete bullshit when
the actions of a few prevent
the many from even participating
smickles: otherwise,
they
tend
to have fun with you
smickles: ya know, if you want
to change
the minds of smart people, you'll need
to avoid logical fallacies
mircea_popescu: some kids die in
the snow in front of my house. not all kids get xmas.
mircea_popescu: what doesn't scale is your expectation
that every kid gets xmas
dub: the
tide of shit will flow
mircea_popescu: which brings us round circle :
this is
the fucking point of life. either get
the bigger gun or get good at sucking cock.
dub: do
the villages
that get poisoned want
to die?
mircea_popescu: in fact, as recent as 100 years ago london was so covered in coal dust
they had coal storms
mircea_popescu: this is sounding like
the rape
trial. "well... i didn't REALLY want it"
smickles: didn't
the wester world go
thru hundreds of years of shit
to get where
they are now?
dub: well
they dont really want it
dub: why
the fuck else would it happen?
dub: mircea_popescu:
they've been sold recycling
smickles: dude, ever
taken a logic class?
dub: generalisations are all
there is
mircea_popescu: dub
that's ridiculous. i have caustic stuff in my house, i don't pour it in my eyes
smickles: its
teh case here,
that means its likely
the case in most of
the world <<< hasty generalization
dub: smickles:
they wouldnt have
the waste
to burn if our corporations did not provide massive amounts of it
to
them
mircea_popescu: next im going
to hear an argument
that slavery reparations should be enacted,
to repay
the young africans disposed of by
the older africans.
smickles: the africans would not burn
the waste if we did not give it
to
them for
that purpose <<< define
tenuous
pigeons: only if we can have round
the clock news of
the rescue attempts
dub: its
teh case here,
that means its likely
the case in most of
the world
mircea_popescu: let's give
them some wells for
the purpose of jumping in ?
dub: the africans would not burn
the waste if we did not give it
to
them for
that purpose
smickles: anyway, generally, when you make an assertion, you should be able
to justify it
mircea_popescu: for
there are dumbass africans who burn
their plastics!!!
dub: smickles: 'that guy didnt spoonfeed me
the answers' is not a defence
smickles: dub: so all of
this is speculation?
dub: mircea_popescu: well
thats not normal from my understanding
smickles: lol, you have no details? where did you even get
this info?
mircea_popescu: and i seriously see no problem even if all
the garbage was dumped on some failed country.
dub: well no, but you get
the idea
dub: smickles: some company, and
the same part of govt
that collects
tax
smickles: so dub who is
this contractor you mentioned, and what part of
the gov't actually gives
them
teh monies?
dub: anyway,
the market
then
takes your
trash and money and
the money
the state gives it
to quietly dispose of its shit, and shops it
to
the 3rd world
mircea_popescu: this is like saying
the market provides me an incentive
to chat with you. doth not, considering what i make it'd be hard pressed
to.
dub: the market provides you an incentive
to spend
time sorting
trash
mircea_popescu: dub glass
to
the glass factory. metal
to
the metal sorting/refurbishing centers. paper
to
teh paper factory. etc.
dub: mircea_popescu: do you actually know where
the recycling goes?
mircea_popescu: this is like,
the 60s. way before
the west found out about recycling.
mircea_popescu: ever since
the commie
times
they had an efficient recycling system in place.
dub: (I presume
there is differentiated charging for recycling and common waste disposal in romania)
mircea_popescu: i buy glass bottles. my
total plastic consumption is something like a few kgs a year.
dub: I know
that its not really being recycled, not in a scalable manner
mircea_popescu: and i suppose it's your fault
they're being stupid dub ?
dub: only
the catch is
they have
to die and kill
thier land in
the process
mircea_popescu: and some will be just repopulated with ex-hut dwellers beaten into submission
to new hut environment.
dub: smickles:
they've been sold
the opportunity
to extract metal and sell it
dub: mircea_popescu:
the rocket of course
dub: they're burning it
to extract metal
smickles: seems better
to bury it
than burn it
to me
dub: unless dick has already started on his escape plan (protip: he hasn't because he's spending all his money making war)
then your end game fails
mircea_popescu: smickles it's not even
the case, most plastic gets buried.
mircea_popescu: and it's just "bad luck". or even
they;'re owed something.
dub: some contractor
to your govt
mircea_popescu: the poor/stupid/failed get
the idea
that
they're doing pretty ok
smickles: that sounds like a great racket
to be in
mircea_popescu: the problem really is
these days,
the rich/successful/smart don't flaunt it nearly enough