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blackwhite: well to be honest I am not so much interested in bitcoin as a currency but more as a technology. I don'
t mine but purely trade my services for bitcoin. So its all good
Neil: Arguments don'
t matter though. Ownership transfer does.
Neil: blackwhite: I don'
t know where to start. Maybe start thinking for yourself and stop drinking the logical fallacies?
Neil: blackwhite: First thing to understand is most the shit you read in the media isn'
t a "problem", it's just the guy writing the article's "problem"
Neil: It *would* mean everyone else's suddenly got worth a lot more, but the end? You don'
t understand.
blackwhite: Yeah the reason why I ask is. If for some reason suddenly 10million bit coins go lost that basically would mean the end of the currency, but couldn'
t that somehow be countered by splitting each bitcoin so we deal in satoshis instead? Asking because I can'
t wrap my head around that problem
BingoBoingo: So... Mark Shuttleworth just can'
t demand a display server work
VanCleef: is it possible to have a alt coin that doesn'
t require any miners to verify it? once its sent its instantly confirmed?
BingoBoingo: NMC was thought to do useful shit, but miners won'
t commit transactions with useful data
cads: Duffer1: I do feel like we're arguing more from philosophical/economical principle that computation shouldn'
t give us two things for free - but this seems false.
cads: that's the only place for the e to come from, isn'
t it?
mircea_popescu: ie, if you don'
t look it costs 1, if you look worth ε it costs 1+ε and fuck you.
BingoBoingo: Interesting: Penrose's book doesn'
t have an index entry for "random"
BingoBoingo: cads: Primecoin isn'
t even that cool at finding useful primes
cads: mircea_popescu: I don'
t feel it mathematically yet but I feel why we'd like this to hold, economically
BingoBoingo: I mean for the first set you could probably encode information much as RSA does. I don'
t have enough vodka on hand to speculate if that would be a good idea. Most of Elliptic curve cryptography works on spaces that can be played with in graph theory world though.
mircea_popescu: a bit ironic because the poor woman suffered plenty through being a woman. ended up teaching under hilbert's name because the sort of boneheads roaming about end of 19th century couldn'
t have a woman colleague
cads: i don'
t see it because regardless of the supposed usefullness, the algorithm still uses 2^k energy.
mircea_popescu: cads but if it's purely coincidental then you don'
t have a pow that does protein folding, you just have a pow that occasionally folds a protein
BingoBoingo: Like he didn'
t have a big bag of meth either
mircea_popescu: one would seem to be thermodynamic, which is to say that the total utility of work available is limited, and if you do outside useful work you won'
t do the work you set out to do in the first place.
mircea_popescu: the idea is that bitcoin uses energy, and they don'
t like using energy. period.
benkay: what, securing the monetary base isn'
t universally useful?
benkay: wow that kotaku article's full of lulz as well. dude crumpled some modern tin fake building and didn'
t die.
cads wishes he wasn'
t just pulling your legs
BingoBoingo: benkay: Site can'
t be hosted in the blockchain, but a contract can.
joecool: benkay: well if you want lots of pageviews and don'
t really care who its from, use buzzfeed as example (or newsweek lol)
mircea_popescu: and so we literally don'
t know wtf their jets actually are.
joecool: mircea_popescu: i would guess it doesn'
t really matter what, but there will be a lot of whatever what is
mircea_popescu: and to top it all off, we don'
t even know what the chinese are flying.
BingoBoingo: US wins on ONGWTFBBQ planes, but they don'e have many of them... Most aren'
t approved for flight because pilots need oxygen
BingoBoingo: At least the Black Sea doesn'
t seem like ti will be a shooting war anytime soon
mircea_popescu: bank vps can'
t afford the same today, with the wife working.
BingoBoingo: Most male vetrans I've seen drunk enough to spill the dark secrets spill that they didn'
t kill people. A majority of the women who admit to being in firefights admit to shooting to kill people because they really don'
t want to carry goat boy to term if the base is over run
lnovy: I don'
t share that view... homicides are not always coldblooded killing...
mircea_popescu: basically murder works exactly like siegel indicated : "we don'
t kill mooks, we just off each other"
Azelphur: mircea_popescu: hehe, I still think people aren'
t all assholes ;)
mircea_popescu: i guess they don'
t teach that in self-affirmative-shiteater classes for womenz in tech and other important things huh.
nubbins`: the silvers fetch a higher premium, you wouldn'
t see a 1btc silver sell for less than 2.0-2.1
nubbins`: but i wouldn'
t sell mine for that low
benkay: it's kinda lolarious these vehicles aren'
t in touch with controllers at all time via satellite
BingoBoingo: So far their winddown doesn'
t seem scammy. I managed to get my coins out. It's also likely that running the thing just was too much of a hassle. Then again, it could get really scammy.
mike_c: bitbet is showing that parimutuel sports betting isn'
t that big yet..
BingoBoingo: benkay: Well, hedging on Bitbet would require sufficient betting interest in the event to make the event worthwhile to BitBet, and BitBet is showing sports betting with BTC isn'
t that big of a Market
benkay: BingoBoingo: can'
t you use Bitbet to hold the line?
Azelphur: ughlol: doesn'
t seem like a waste, you got some ideas, and you have more of an idea of what you can/can'
t do now
HowardF: profit with this app is pretty much out. but non-profit support isn'
t Azelphur: ughlol: see what I'm saying? Starting up on $20 isn'
t hard ;)
ughlol: Whatsapp isn'
t difficult to replicate.
Azelphur: there's another host that is even cheaper, I just can'
t remember its name off the top of my head
Azelphur: I had to go to the host and specifically request a 32MB VPS, they didn'
t sell them, and the host actually told me I was crazy and that I couldn'
t even get the OS to run in that. But I did, and everything else I needed :)
Azelphur: ughlol: that was to disprove the whole you can'
t start from $20 and skill argument.
HowardF: if you know java, it shouldn'
t cost you anything but time
benkay: shouldn'
t cost you more than seven grand.
HowardF: i would say working on a prototype before asking anyone for an investment is top priority though. money for ideas doesn'
t happen without something to back it up
Azelphur: so don'
t start crap about you need capital, you're in the wrong place for that ;)
benkay: no, you're missing the point. this app on a phone isn'
t changing anything.
benkay: you don'
t need money to change the world, just passion and drive, right guys?
Azelphur: then go make it, you don'
t need money
Azelphur: ughlol: that's the thing, I can'
t even think of any situation where this app would work, at all
ughlol: thinking that it can'
t help 100% of the rape victims
HowardF: and again, even if it can'
t stop a rape, it could at least call out for first responders / medical help
Azelphur: but yea, GPS is too far man, that won'
t work
HowardF: also, no reason you couldn'
t combine a rape whistle function / ping for help in one button press
ughlol: Azelphur: clicking the SOS button can'
t be accidental.. will implement a simple code or pattern or something so that it cant be pressed accidentally.
Azelphur: benkay: I think we already established that it won'
t ughlol: Azelphur: doesn'
t create an SOS signal with current location using GPS.
benkay: no i mean that you can'
t use flappy bird as an example of how much money you'll make, ughlol.
HowardF: i still think there are places and countries where this wouldn'
t be a bad idea though. india, but also large areas of africa, etc.
HowardF: ( having written and worked for several very large social networks by the way, let me assure you, ads don'
t make as much as you think )
Azelphur: ughlol: yes, but flappy bird was an app people repeatedly use, your app isn'
t, it's one time use
benkay: bitcoin-central doesn'
t seem to be on that list either
nubbins`: those aren'
t casascius coins, just an impossibly unbalanced stack that someone did up in Blender or something
thestringpuller: literally didn'
t know what a for loop was; you can'
t make this shit up
dexX7: but i don'
t believe she'll stop ;)
dexX7: in this case we'd at least don'
t hear any trash reports from her again
mike_c: i don'
t know about etc, but there is price and trading volume
benkay: chetty: in my dream every seat but the mid-row passenger seat in my truck was filled with a cop, and as I went to hop in my truck to do something, other cops stuffed me in the empty seat. and i haven'
t even been watching movies lately?
imsaguy: I don'
t follow days of our forum
mircea_popescu: but wait i don'
t understand. work me through this will you ?
benkay: i'm having police state nightmares and i haven'
t even done anything
mircea_popescu: one jew to the other "heh heh see ? they're clearly losing the war, can'
t even afford the bullets anymore"
dexX7: "we can'
t pay divs because of the size of the smallest output" oh well
dexX7: asciilifeform: what do the trezor guys wrong for example? i didn'
t really follow the progress
dexX7: well, i never would rely on it, but i think most act in good faith, others are like "omg someone will exploit this" but don'
t do anything and a tiny subset may actually try something nefarious
dexX7: i bet most people don'
t try to exploit stuff