995100+ entries in 0.762s
EskimoBob: become a UK , have a queen and I'll
trust your perpetual bonds. everyone else can fuck off :)
Diablo-D3: I dont want a perpetual bond,
they dont fucking work
Diablo-D3: non-callable just means I cant pay
the bond out early at a reduced payment
EskimoBob: sorry, my bad, when i sayd callable I meant you buy
them back on date X (date of maturity) - opposite
to perpetual
Diablo-D3: EskimoBob: ie, a 5 year bond, at any point after
those 5 years someone can show up with a bond and I have
to pay out on it
Diablo-D3: EskimoBob: yes, but a non-callable bond means I _must_ buy it back at
that date.
EskimoBob: Diablo-D3: because I want you asa issuer
to show
that you will call (buy) your bonds back at date X - means you will manage
the funds so you will have
the available coin
to do so
gigavps: EskimoBob
there are about 10 ppl in
the forums screaming
gigavps: plently of ppl have already submitted
this info and will be paid next week
Diablo-D3: EskimoBob: why would you want it
to be callable
though?
gigavps: EskimoBob if i pay someone i shouldn't have, i need legal recourse, especially if
this comes
to light when btc is $1000/coin
EskimoBob: rolling out bond issues one after another is real crapp and build ZERO
trust
Diablo-D3: no dividends means no need for day
to day exchange manhandling
Ukto: alright, enough
trolling for now.
Diablo-D3: EskimoBob: refinancing
them doesn't make sense imo
Ukto: EskimoBob: I just wanted
to say Hi. :P
EskimoBob: set
the date, but add
that bond can be refinanced
Diablo-D3: and
then sell
them with a bid-driven OID
Diablo-D3: EskimoBob: its not perpetual,
though
EskimoBob: you know I do not like
that non-callable stuff at all
Diablo-D3: the bonds will be "physical" certs
that are digitally signed with a single use pgp key
EskimoBob: oh
that one, sorry, I missed it :)
Ukto: EskimoBob: yes, we do need alot of
things
EskimoBob: gigavps: sorry, you are not doing
that. You are demanding information
that is not helping your form people who are on
the list
EskimoBob: he jumped before he started
to
think
Ukto: EskimoBob: if nefario feels like
things are getting out of hand and he has
to do something, he will jump
Ukto: EskimoBob: from nefario's point of view, gigavps's actions with
the lawyer may actually help glbse holders further as he mentioned. nefario is afraid of lawyers/lawsuites, etc.
EskimoBob: gigavps: but whay apostill and al
tht crap?
gigavps: EskimoBob
that is exactly what i am doing
EskimoBob: then send
the missing claims
to james and find out, what happened
EskimoBob: gigavps: for start, work with all
the names on
the list -
gigavps: Ukto my first demand letter is what sparked nefario
to get off of his ass
Ukto: to demand
the database?
EskimoBob: gigavps has
to
take a step back and put his
thinking hat on - all he did, was stir up another shitstorm
gigavps: EskimoBob if
there are enough claims
that don't match with glbse, we can start making demands for
the database
Ukto: A lawyer having info from someone is no diff
than an issuer
mircea_popescu: hate
to break it
to you, but models smoke
the cock on cam.
Ukto: otherwise really imho I dont
think a lawyer is necessary
Ukto: EskimoBob: while I agree with you, its at least
the proper 'legal' course of action. well, mainly if gigavps plans
to sue glbse/nefario
EskimoBob: it's
total waste of
time and other peoples money
EskimoBob: no scumbag lawyer will help
to clear
this up
gigavps: EskimoBob, if
they own gigamining,
they should be able
to make a claim
mircea_popescu: Ukto i
think it is. iirc he was
taking claims
to confirm his lists.
EskimoBob: they have not completed 2 or 1
task
thy had
to
EskimoBob: now, why do you have
to pay
those people?
gigavps: 2.
they were overpaid in
the btc return
gigavps: 1.
they never filled out
the claims form
Ukto: mircea_popescu: you heard what btc-mining is gonna do? close down/pay off?
their own
trading engine?
EskimoBob: OK, let me ask
this. Why did james remove some names from
the list
Ukto: at least, no clear concise
thought
Ukto: mircea_popescu: like evrey other action preformed in
the past, no
thought went into it.
gigavps: EskimoBob if i pay someone according
to
the list, and
the list is not correct, i'm still on
the hook
to pay
them
Ukto: gigavps: I have not had a chance
to look into
things yet for shares, but what about ppl who havent done
their
taxes in a while?
EskimoBob: there has
to be better way
to do it without you getting fucked and your investors
too
gigavps: EskimoBob maybe you should put on your
thinking cap for a minute
EskimoBob: gigavps: apparently not because
the lawyer stuff you pulled is NOT helping you
to prove shit
Diablo-D3: Ukto: I feel
trollish every day, so /me shrugs
mircea_popescu: ukto apparently for
thinking nefario can run gpg --clearsing by hand ?
Ukto: Diablo-D3: I feel
trollish
today :/ Prolly didnt get enough sleep
gigavps: EskimoBob
the ONLY
think i am
trying
to do is
to pay ppl
Ukto: man, you can FEEL
the love
EskimoBob: before you can do anything with
their clime
gigavps: which means he put it
together by HAND
EskimoBob: some of
the 3 have beef with 2 and
they need
to fix
that
Diablo-D3: EskimoBob: were you here when I was
talking about what I wanted
to do with dmc 2.0?
mircea_popescu: prolly should have done it in parallel with
the announcement.
EskimoBob: gigavps:
there are 3 sides on
this
mircea_popescu: gigavps you absolutely need
to make a full length statement and discuss all
this in excruciating detail.
gigavps: EskimoBob do you
think gigaminers should not get
their past payments because nefario fucked up?
EskimoBob: before i obviously realized
that perpetual bonds are losers :)
gigavps: EskimoBob what should i do when people make claims
that are not of nefario's list?
gigavps: EskimoBob how can i
trust nefario
to give me a proper list?
EskimoBob: I did and I sold after I realized you can not be
trusted. I
think we have
talked about it
EskimoBob: but I can prove it's me who owns
the shares
EskimoBob: I men we can do it with a md5 has and be done with . You never have
to know my e-mail address
EskimoBob: encrypting somethinmg will not make it more correct or
true
EskimoBob: it was relly stupid
to send
the e-mail
too
EskimoBob: and send
the shareholder
the "secret code", balance and
the hash
mircea_popescu: if by oct 6th everyone had
that in
their mailbox i could
totally see your pov.
EskimoBob: all he needed
to forward
to issuer was a hash and a payment account number
EskimoBob: how did I know
that
trades really happened in GLBSE, how do I know
that sky is blue... blaa blaa blaa
mircea_popescu: look, i understand
the cui prodest approach. it's fine, nothing wrong with it.
EskimoBob: now few slimebags use
that
to force some
to give up
mircea_popescu: how do you know what's on
the list is
the actual legitimate owners ?
mircea_popescu: why is it
two months late ? did he
take
this long
to doctor
the lists, put his own accounts in
there ?