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assbot: Um, shouldn'
t you be with your own tribe or somethin'?
benkay: ugh because i don'
t want that on my shoes
benkay: i don'
t even believe it
benkay: don'
t get too discouraged
bitmia: you can'
t teleport silver, can you?
benkay: because bitcoin isn'
t a consumer technology.
benkay: yeah but thestringpuller don'
t you understand bitmia_'s customers can barely swing a bitcent ;)
benkay: so bitmia go learn about simple payment verification and why people don'
t actually need the whole blockchain on disk.
BingoBoingo: benkay: I like Multibit, but haven'
t found comepelling cause to try versions newer than 0.5.11
benkay: well man if you really want to scrape the bottom of the barrel, ain'
t nobody going to stop you.
benkay: if i were building that thing (and i'm not, and we haven'
t even discussed the market use for such a thing in the wake of the other ebay clones that have failed), i'd make it a hard requirement for sellers to have WoT identities.
bitmia: benkay: I considered using an irc bot to create profiles for the ones that don'
t have them yet, but that would mean holding their privkeys for them. beats the purpose sortof
bitmia: that's the point, and paupers don'
t like 'em private keys
benkay: dunno, haven'
t seen any that satisfy the criteria yet.
benkay: bitmia: i don'
t really do mass-market plays.
benkay: so the point of the gpg claim is that if you can'
t read the gnu privacy guard manual, you're worthless
benkay: for instance, i don'
t actually want to spend any time around people for whom gpg is challenging to use
nubbins`: glad you haven'
t learned anything
blackwhite_: frustrated? That would mean that your opinion mattered. It doesn'
t so no worries.
blackwhite_: anyway I got a couple of good leads that I hadn'
t already heard about.
blackwhite_: I have done my homework but sure i haven'
t talked much in this channel so I can understand why some feel like i am just popping in
nubbins`: you can'
t rob knowledge, it's only shared
blackwhite_: don'
t worry guys. I won'
t rob you of your precious knowledge. Someone already answered me.
blackwhite_: but sure there are always people like you around to make sure no one does things the way you don'
t want them to be done
blackwhite_: you think just because I don'
t get an answer here I won'
t have any other options
nubbins`: especially if you don'
t already know where you're getting your data from
bitmia: cause it won'
t be A) less of a hassle
BingoBoingo: bitmia: Well, what would you want the multisig to do that couldn'
t otherwise be accomplished?
BingoBoingo: bitmia: Well, either you can be trusted to run a marketplace or you can'
t. Maybe some people trust you and some don'
t.
bitmia: well, at least some hot wallet protection + a guarantee we won'
t run with user's money
dexX7: well, don'
t answer.
LordPutin: what do you mean they haven'
t? Are they facing legalaction?
☟︎ dexX7: but i didn'
t follow. i think auto said "it's legit".. but i have my doubts
dexX7: i didn'
t know that. did avalon already publish the spec?
mircea_popescu: (under his aol contract he can'
t possibly start a pando)
benkay: the ones whose labor wasn'
t, weren'
t. granted those are "controllers" and what have you, not "office managers" or "directors of employee happiness".
benkay: can'
t say as much stuck, and i missed out on the apparently crucial canings...
mircea_popescu: im curious how much us
t's is russia holding in offshore accounts
mircea_popescu: (one of the best predictors of who will be defeated in any conflict is see whose messages don'
t manage to coallesce, displaying instead dualities)
mircea_popescu: they probably lost a hard drive, didn'
t have a proper array and can'
t restart till they fsck
mircea_popescu: "OP, I know cryptostocks makes it seem as though starting your very own security is a sort of past time accessible to anyone who'd like to try, sort of like adopting a pet fish. This has nothing to do with bitcoin securities in fact and everything to do with play-pretend exchanges exploiting those who'd like to try but aren'
t ready for one reason or another."
dignork: asciilifeform, i loled about this story with my friend who builds them for non-US army, and she said that it won'
t work with their drones, cz they'll fallback into gps-less mode, once there will be delta between compass/altimeter and gps readings
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: The problem with drones is it is way to tempting to stick them in places where they don'
t belong.
gribble: nubbins` was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 3 hours, 10 minutes, and 25 seconds ago: <nubbins`> most people don'
t get that far
ninjashogun: ThickAsThieves, I read your links. I didn'
t start any more conversations though.
ninjashogun: When I had been coming in here it was following an experience over a similar channel (related to doge) on a loan. As someone here (asciilifeform?) explained, I should have 'no problem' getting a loan of $20K. In fact I did have "no problem" on it, but in the end I couldn'
t collect it, and had come in here over a few days to see if anyone were interested in the same.
ninjashogun: I'm Robert, as I mentioned. I hadn'
t talked to you guys before.
☟︎ ninjashogun: anyway I'd think there's a market for in-between, people (like me) who don'
t care that much, but would rather not keep a key on a PC
dignork: ninjashogun, let's say it's a complicated attack, and it costs 1M$, which you don'
t have, then you can safely assume you shouldn'
t care :)
bitcoinpete: Haven'
t used HN before, but here's my shot at it.
dignork: ninjashogun, that's because a) people store useless trash on their systems and don'
t care/ b) they calculate the risks and live with it
BingoBoingo: ninjashogun: Maybe you are the wrong audience as you aren'
t concerned very far
ninjashogun: personally anyone who could bruteforce all that, while breaking wireless encyrption and your whole network stack, can see the damn document as far as I'm concerned. and they still wouldn'
t have my private key.
ninjashogun: asciilifeform, I don'
t even mena to "sign" a single document. Just to transmit it. And receive back hte signed version.
ninjashogun: asciilifeform, anything that leaked one bit, could be repeated until you have them all. It only works if you can'
t learn any of them, except by brute-forcing all of them together.
ninjashogun: asciilifeform, the way a tunnelled layer works, is it's OK to give a copy of every bit to an Evesdropper, they still can'
t make out the plain text.
ninjashogun: dignork - further I don'
t have any problem with it in the current form. I think asciilifeform should patent it. I also suggest he work on just one layer of the solution, which is the physical transport layer, and consider bluetooth or wifi.
ninjashogun: asciilifeform, that's not true. They don'
t like to innovate.
ninjashogun: BingoBoingo - in the eventual wifi version, no one would have to know that you even use it. if being surveilled by site, it wouldn'
t be obvious that it's on your person. (or whether it is).
ninjashogun: asciilifeform, if you have to compete with Kingston copying your idea then you are dead in the water. You can'
t even make it to market.
ninjashogun: asciilifeform - how could it be kept from the public? Wouldn'
t every electrical engineer with a scope see it?
ninjashogun: asciilifeform, by the way don'
t let the haters take anyting away. All of my suggestoin are at a single layer - and do not in ANY way impact the basic idea you've come up with with mircea_popescu --- which is a VERY good one. I don'
t really add anything in my suggestoins - it is the same design. You should patent it.
BingoBoingo: It isn'
t just about the definition of an airgap, but of the motivations behind it as well that make radio the wrong medium for connecting to such boxes
ninjashogun: BingoBoingo - I learned of this literally 20 minutes ago. My improvements already have something that can at least theoretically work with an iPad and iPhone, which loads of people do their surfing on in the evening, and certainly don'
t want to keep keys on.
ninjashogun: I don'
t think packet sniffing is a problem if you tunnel over it.
ninjashogun: Again, it doesn'
t matter if you reimplement PKI over javascript.
ninjashogun: on an iPad and iPhone, you can copy the text, connect to the brick's wifi, paste it, copy the result, and then reconnect to your normal wifi. These things don'
t have a USB stack at all.
ninjashogun: (my hardware has future versions as well, that we haven'
t done any work toward)
ninjashogun: dignork, it doesn'
t matter who firefox trusts. You can run a complete tunnel using javascript all the way to the final end-point. The whole point of PKI is that it doesn'
t matter who sniffs packets.
mircea_popescu: apparently somehow they still don'
t see me coming, it's fascinating.
ninjashogun: and it doesn'
t matter if there are devices in the way.
ninjashogun: I mean it retains no knowledge of what it signed. The person can'
t go home and check everything they've signed.
ninjashogun: BingoBoingo - you are right and for this reason I probably shouldn'
t ahve called it an "air" gap.
BingoBoingo: ninjashogun: Doesn'
t Wifi violate the intent of an airgap even if there is "air" involved
ninjashogun: mircea_popescu, in fact it could be set to ONLY sign/encrypt/decrypt the next 1 message or 2 messages. So that it can'
t be stolen off someone's body, as it's in theri home and will only sign the next 2 things.
ninjashogun: this suggestion isn'
t for the current version, which as a piece of hardware is great.
mircea_popescu: half why i even keep that blog, if i didn'
t write the shit up i'd end up forgetting it all.
ninjashogun: I just wasn'
t sure if the tone is somewhat pseudo- or ironic, or it's meant to be read "straight"
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i recall he was prepping for some surgery i hope they didn'
t end up cutting the wrong part.
mircea_popescu: ninjashogun people who don'
t have to supervise their own humours to please a third party behave differently than the us norm.