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a111: Logged on 2017-04-09 21:11 phf: mcclim always reminds me of how rms was planning on competing with symbolics by reimplementing everything they had on top of gnu platform. that was the goal. only a handful people who actually worked with a genera realize how "special" the result of rms's work was.
asciilifeform: the other nitpick is with http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-09#1640940 , but iirc i registered objection at the time ( 'gnu' was nowhere even in sight when the events in question took place, the mushroom's 'i will reimplement IT ALL!' was a flowered-up recollection of his employment at lmi, one of the 3 mit licensee corps ) ☝︎
asciilifeform: no more than lunar lander.
asciilifeform: it is possible to build some things 'in spare time, out of belly button lint', e.g. 1970s microcomps. it was NOT possible to build lispm 'out of lint'.
asciilifeform: and as for the set of 'lord kelvin' ('i was born into money AND i like to experiment') : was ~null set. at least as evidenced by the results.
asciilifeform: there were no medici to go to, in 1974, no.
asciilifeform: by the time of the bolix escapades, it was a done deal, if you wanted to build heavy experimental gear with substantial upfront cost and no clear market prospect -- you went to a kolhoz (e.g. mit) and prayed that they'd take .
a111: Logged on 2018-05-13 17:07 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-13#1812937 << farming is NOT AMENABLE to any other kind of farming. the pretense to "independent farmers" is how the pantsuit chicks got the less able men off the cattle growing, you understand. the notion of "independent farmer" is a hallucination exactly like the notion of "successful starlet", sold by the press of a commercial concern for a commercial interest. hollywood WANTED a bunch of gir
asciilifeform: because to asciilifeform , it seems that http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-13#1813036 applies not merely to farming. but to ~everything~ sufficiently expensive. ☝︎
asciilifeform: and if so, the folx in su who built lunar lander, also should have done it in a garage ? instead of with dirty ckkpss moneys ? or not ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: good thread, and notes, but the central q is still unresolved in my head -- argument is that 'they should have left mit and built the machine, in a garage, in zimbabwe ( so as to avoid paying license fee )' ? or 'should have built it without having ever been at mit' ? or which ☟︎
mircea_popescu: really bitch ? the data processor was a computer ? ZI SA MORI TU\
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, phf trinque BingoBoingo ^ lemme know if issues.
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2018/the-symbolics-discussion/ << Trilema - The Symbolics discussion
asciilifeform: some tresses need covering!
asciilifeform: bbbbut how couldja not take an interest in the SEEKRIT MASONIC magic offer!111
mircea_popescu: web-borne noobs have a lot of trouble mentally handling sanity, what can i say.
asciilifeform also, ftr, doesn't see PM in real time ( they queue )
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: http://aaronrogier.net/voy00.PDF.gpg << Send them this. Hopefully it saves a trip and get it here sooner.
mircea_popescu: also try to use one line per thought.
mircea_popescu: it just tells me someone wants voice.
BingoBoingo: Aite, found the textpaste dump. Tomorrow when I have the cedula in hand, will scan. Reply to that message with the scans, we can see if it shows up Wednesday.
asciilifeform: possibly it is even nao on its way to /dev/null
asciilifeform: i have nfi, incidentally, how long they hold'em
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: how do you know that it is at the airport ? << That's where Aduanas holds things.
asciilifeform: ( there were no magic numbers or otherwise crate-specific info in any of the crapola )
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i pasted whole thing here, it is in the log
BingoBoingo: Could you forward those messages to me somehow, because the tracking page only shows where the package has been.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: how do you know that it is at the airport ?
BingoBoingo: The papers where they asked you for the ID and such? Whose name was on the package as the recipient, etc...
asciilifeform: which, like complete idiot, i assumed means that it will go to postbox like normal package in normal country
asciilifeform: it has motherfucking PREPAID import tax
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Wednesday morning I plan on heading to the airport. Was there any other paperwork besides the tracking page that might aid the cause of getting the package released?
asciilifeform: imho this is a useful experiment and i'd like to see an output
asciilifeform: unrelatedly, BingoBoingo didja ever pick up that crate ?
BingoBoingo: No further information required: "Now, the Web Platform Incubator Community Group (WICG) at the World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), has released details about a browser-specific API for standardizing picture-in-picture interactions that allow websites to open an external "floating video" popup outside the browser window itself. [...] Chrome and Safari have already shipped out the new Picture-in-Picture API."
a111: Logged on 2017-04-10 01:04 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there's realy no more to it.
a111: Logged on 2017-04-09 21:11 phf: mcclim always reminds me of how rms was planning on competing with symbolics by reimplementing everything they had on top of gnu platform. that was the goal. only a handful people who actually worked with a genera realize how "special" the result of rms's work was.
mircea_popescu: anywya, i think ima reprint (and adnotate) the trinque -linked bolix discussion, because i fear it's so concise and the language so tense, nobody, including myself, will understand wtf was being said in a few more years.
a111: Logged on 2014-09-26 17:59 mircea_popescu: none of this "but mp, you never gave any proof". there's your motherfuc king proof now stfu and shine my boots.
asciilifeform: ( see also whole thread, example http://btcbase.org/log/2014-09-26#846123 ) ☝︎
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: ty fxd
a111: Logged on 2018-05-14 14:46 BingoBoingo: ^ Anyone else remember when this guy was evening news material?
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-14#1813157 << funny how it's always the unmentionables that fuck the hilarity in the ass. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2014-09-26 18:07 asciilifeform: 'to take but one simple example: suppose you thought of the new millennium when you wrote your application back in 1972 -- not only wouldn't you be invited to the party, those who knew you had done it right from the start and who probably laughed at you at the time would positively hate you now, and they sure as hell wouldn't tell people about you. and the more stupid they are, the more important it would be to
asciilifeform: rather. and not as if they weren't ~explicitly~ warned 5y ago.
asciilifeform: plus a bonus helping of 'drown out trilema piece on shithubkeyz'
asciilifeform: i suspect the thrust is to 'discourage, and push to shitogram' or whatever the latest keybase is called
a111: Logged on 2018-05-14 13:30 asciilifeform: ^ pretty lulzy prehistory -- usg is burning the vuln in the most traditional way, complete with 'responsible disclosure'ism and a boeck-style 'researcher' ; nao spinning in every propaganda organ in unison as 'pgp broken!'
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-14#1813139 << pretty much all they're good for. honestly, if they discourage the few remainign morons from sending "pgp-encrypted" email like retards because "thunderbird" i'll be quite happy. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: venice, for instance, was nominally ended by napoleon, but it actually transformed beyond functionality once charles soldiers got the girls so fucking wet centuries prior.
mircea_popescu: p a small thing.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-14 04:03 trinque: (and also, what destroyed structure of authority, you pussies http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-09#1641162 )
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-14#1813131 << in the specific case of czechoslovakia, they got wet because tanks in prague. now and again "science fiction" pops up containing gender-indeterminate species, which choose a gender by context, "with joe in the room i'm samantha the slut, but when moe's around i'm butch". this is EXACTLY how societies work, they are gendered by context, and sending a bunch of tanks can very well fli ☝︎
asciilifeform: the war was the formative event of su, taking it from a kind of zimbabwe to -- very briefly -- a serious business.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-14 03:55 trinque: the narcissism of each character is cartoonish, but here we are amidst even more cartoonish pieces of shit claiming their bundle of infantile urges is an identity.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-14#1813129 << in recent trilema terms one could say it captures the moment where patriarchy gave way to matriarchy in one man's mind and coincidentally at the same time in that man's country. this is not altogether a lossy summary, and it betrays literary value in the work. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: anyway, there's an important point in stalin's life, and that is the war. he visibly matured from 1939 to 1943, 1942 even. three years, but he went from being 14 to being 25.
mircea_popescu: but he only had the space to do this because hitler was fucking inept, put the hot iron to the wound for him.\
asciilifeform: that's the interesting bit, stalin 1) ordered the continuing ukr brush war, hushed up 2) proclaimed blanket amnesty for surrendering rebels
mircea_popescu: really ? cuz i seem to recall a whole bunch of ukr ustasa groups.
asciilifeform: and a major success for the beast.
mircea_popescu: "no mother, your son shouldn't die to rescrue the ukrs" very different ring to it.
asciilifeform: there's a reason why may9 is ~the~ surviving national holiday in ru, and culturally the axis on which whole propeller turns.
mircea_popescu: yes, but only because foolishly crosssed the don. see ?
asciilifeform: the german invasion -- integrated (most of them, the exceptions starred in stalin's deportation extravaganza post-war) once and for all.
mircea_popescu: (and no, the dream of "soviet integration" is moscow-only. the russians were tribes, with the georgians about as russian as the small rus')
mircea_popescu: made massive trans-tribal alliances never before seen
asciilifeform: but, observe, not as result of any unified front with english. ( not that such a thing can even be drawn in this picture, there was no unified 'indian nation' nor a stalin, to make any unified front with anyone. )
mircea_popescu: they will -- because they know in 1940 if they don't they'll be sitting around in 1960 worrying china might come.
mircea_popescu: well this is what's said. take ukraina, but leave russians with the caucasus, and send them to wipe china.
mircea_popescu: by the time white settlers actually followed, 90% of the locals had been shot or displaced.
asciilifeform: no comment re 'average'. and it is not a mystery where their trajectory was after intro to whiskey.
mircea_popescu: anyway, point being : the great push west was mostly done by indians themselves.
mircea_popescu: you figure the average indian tribe was possessed enough to ~WASTE~ however many galon's worth of whiskey to get a rifle ? no way no how.
asciilifeform: the interesting bit is that many of these saw the english as 'yet another tribe' to make/break alliances with
mircea_popescu: i get it, jews are inadherent to history. nevertheless -- indians were part of "alliances" among western powers regularly.
asciilifeform: actually. buncha 'first contact, and they have horses, but never saw english' on record.
mircea_popescu: not like either grew in the bushes they picked.
mircea_popescu: really ? how do you think sioux got horses and rifles ?
asciilifeform: i dun recall any cases of conqueror pausing mid-exterminatus and successfully offering alliance to 'sioux'
mircea_popescu: in the end, this is the only military strategy that EVER worked ; it is how alexander conquered "the world" to the degree of having cesar weep on his tomb ; it's how the mongol horde worked, it's how the "shocking" ottoman empire worked, it's how war works when it does.
mircea_popescu: i doubt stalin actually wanted the ukraine. much better if hitler shoots them all.
mircea_popescu: anyway, amusingly enough had the german strategy employed so far been employed consistently (ie, stopped at the don, offered the russians military help to go conquer china), we'd most likely be drinking bavarese altogether.
mircea_popescu: hey, it was the history ever since.
asciilifeform: of course , by this logic nobody would ever go to war, but would instead sit and comparatively count ammo...
mircea_popescu: it's not so hard to take ammo production figures for 1940, multiply by 10k, divide by russian land surface and look at the figure.
asciilifeform does not disagree with the above sketch, and afaik it isn't particularly controversial
asciilifeform: nitpick is re the 'know' .
mircea_popescu: (and about half the general staff knew or suspected as much, too)
mircea_popescu: germany was doomed once it broke the pact. they didn't know ; neither did the russkies know (not even stalin, he just got lucky, but lucky with brown underwear). and the british self-importantly gave their ex-contender in the great race two weeks. but by the time they crossed the don, the germans were doomed.
mircea_popescu: this was never the contention.
asciilifeform: imho to write off germany as 'obviously bit more than it could chew, on day 1' also ahistorical.
mircea_popescu: and no, the poles were never going to be the sioux at any point past about 1100. the generalplan ost was late by about eight centuries -- and this is ENTIRELY unsuperable.
mircea_popescu: obviously "everyone was mentally inadherent to reality" -- but the first set produced the bible and the nth set were called john smith.
mircea_popescu: this is not true, which is why boston is not darien. it's true that the original colony was eaten by wolves in both cases ; but one in 1600 and the other in 1800, see.
asciilifeform: if cards had fallen slightly differently -- then yes, poles == sioux.
asciilifeform: must note, that everybody who stands up and tries to build something, or colonize a continent, or do pretty much anything substantial, is 'rebelling against reality'. it only gets counted as 'eh, he went against The Way World Worx'(tm)(r) if he fails.
mircea_popescu: anyway, there's actually a lot of substance to the rooseveltian-socialist "the hitler-socialists were pretty divorced from reality" claims / agitprop. even if not usually the substance they'd like there to be.
mircea_popescu: somehow "the poles are not the fucking sioux, nutmeg!" just didn't turn any wheels.