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bounce: if you look at the (wikipedia) list of acquisitions it's the userbase they pay most for. actual tech doesn't sell well, databases full of users do.
diametric: mircea_popescu: i didn't sell gold, but i did other things that caused them to actually track down my place of employment via linkedin and try to have my fired. I should actually state it wasn't Blizzard. Blizzard was not bad about it, it was the brass as Activision.
diametric: benkay: they didn't buy whatsapp for 16b, they bought 450 million users.
bounce: I don't suppose there'd be a way to get a ban for selling wow gold overturned on the grounds that blizzard isn't paying taxes over it
asciilifeform: once you determine what part of a kitchen is a cockroach and which parts aren't, the next step is clear
bounce recalls reading someone lamenting the world didn't go the wossname "persistent" route -- run a program, it'd auto-save to disk. next time you start it, auto-picks up where you left it. but on full OS level.
mike_c: the 'dark age' of apple would have been the 'no apple' age if microsoft hadn't given them money to keep them alive.
mircea_popescu: come to think about it, i don't know there's something in the world i ever hated more than a mac, and in this sense a ms-dos pc seems a muchly preferable alternative.
mircea_popescu: fucktards running tablets today don't even realise they should be able to interact with their hard drives
mircea_popescu: for instance, if jobs weren't an idiot.
mircea_popescu: i'll readily grant that it didn't operate in any kind of free market in the 90s. but your statement was as of product
mircea_popescu: it wasn't born that way.
mircea_popescu: why didn't you ?
mike_c: microsoft didn't shove a cattle prod up anyone's ass.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform a brave man and a fearless man don't map well.
bounce: TestingUnoDosTre: I didn't say that
bounce: holding corp of... foxconn, wasn't it?
mircea_popescu: B007 because it can't avoid it.
bounce: greece is a shambles, but so far hasn't been too good for the eu economy as a whole. how would turkey have been different?
mircea_popescu: jurov pretty sure it wouldn't, no.
bounce: anyway, apropos churchill re americans, the eurocrats have a good track record of starting the same but finishing in the same way hasn't been in strong evidence
mircea_popescu: and omfg those iraquis don't even get pottery barn catalogs daily ?!
mircea_popescu: meanwhile, five people don't settle and the entire system collapses in flames.
asciilifeform: i think everyone here is aware of the practical difference btween btc and cement. but the bureaucrats aren't - or will pretend, at any rate, for as long as it remains possible
mike_c: if my employer pays me in stock, i owe taxes. can't hit me in the head with that
jurov: don't give anybody a reason to use silver bullets then
diametric: ThickAsThieves: I don't see why not.
diametric: they need to pay taxes, but blizzard doesn't.
asciilifeform: waiting for timoshenko et al to proclaim that yesterday's 'leaked nixon tape' of her asking fellow ua fucktards 'can't we find a nuke with which to cleanse the russian scum' - in perfect russian - is fake
Mats_cd03: Back to Bataan i haven't seen in some time
asciilifeform: i was thinking of a far more mundane aspect, where the best source of info re: the outcome of, say, athletic match, isn't 1000 googles, but the boxer who can decide to 'throw' the match
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no, they did not. see, it wasn't a free market, but at the other end of things
mircea_popescu: (trivially, your curiosity as to what's inside a watch isn't worth the pirce of a watch)
Duffer1: that's right, apparently without a contract, multiple people pooled resources to create CipherTrade and didn't figure out who will own what
asciilifeform: ThickAsThieves: i do hope that you don't think me to be some sort of rng hero
asciilifeform: freedos, last i checked, wasn't 'bug for bug compatible' with msdos.
pankkake: I didn't know the AP style guide existed, I've been meaning to read the Economist one
pankkake: nubbins`: why isn't "over" the same as "more than"?
nubbins`: can't trust AP style tips anymore
El3k0n: I didn't made that
thestringpuller: If you receive BTC as a gift doesn't a different tax apply?
pankkake: I am transferring my data from old to new drives, and I started a checksum verification of the tranferred files, for fun. turns out, a lot weren't transferred correctly
BingoBoingo: Still doesn't fit with risk profiles I find betable. You never know who has Bitcoin.
mike_c: mircea_popescu: didn't get it..
ozbot: My wife was raped my four men. I can't live or be with her with that on my mind. I have to leave her
novusordo: not sure, haven't gotten mine to play with yet
asciilifeform: 'don't run from sniper, you'll only die tired' (american folk saying)
mircea_popescu: aren't they a little... porky ?
nubbins`: mircea_popescu: for that matter, i don't think the chemist generally lays the blotter at all
nubbins`: Mats_cd03: i haven't been keeping track of the clones at all
mircea_popescu: nubbins` isn't it traditionally reserved for the girlfriend of the chemist making the dope ?
davout: didn't know gox hosted some pastie-clone as well
mircea_popescu: davout well i can't find it now. some kid from the "community" of self-proclaimed experts wrote some sort of article/"white paper" on how bitcoin exchanges should do x y z to get their risk of blowing up in line with the risk of the average 20yo getting hit by a bus
mircea_popescu: that part wasn't covered.
davout: mircea_popescu: doesn't your argument boil down to : "assets are risky because they can depreciate" ?
mircea_popescu: what isn't in scope is anything else.
Neil: Trying to understand what's "in-scope" and what isn't. I personally don't think it's clear. I respect your desire to run a clean, auditable (via blockchain) operation. But the future isn't clear at all, to me anyway.
Neil: Walking down a one-way street isn't useful either.
mircea_popescu: irl doens't work that way.
mircea_popescu: well evolution and morphing aren't the same thing.
Neil: Which isn't to imply it doesn't have a great future.
mircea_popescu: can't do that as a zero asset corp.
mircea_popescu: or couldn't trust mp or couldn't lock his btc up for months ?
mircea_popescu: so then... what, the guy with 200 didn't know about berkshire ?
mircea_popescu: if anything, the fascinating thing with that 200 is that it didn't land on the no side of berkshire
mircea_popescu: but i can't dispute the facts on the basis of my own opinion either.
mircea_popescu: well ok you don't believe
Neil: (i.e. no new bets have come in to counterbalance). I don't believe the "market" odds moved that much overnight. Friction is high.
Neil: Not so smart. I wouldn't bet that.
mircea_popescu: that we readily agree. coin toss and weight doesn't mix
Neil: I think my point stands though - anyone who has bet 2-ways for "decent" size has lost. I have several examples and haven't seen a single counterexample.
Neil: Well you wouldn't be able to hedge it, but it's off-market price.
Neil: But I'd want to bet 5 BTC against reasonable odds, and bitbet doesn't offer that. Only you can.
asciilifeform: 'ever-amusing Russian Liberal Democrat leader Vladimir Zhirinovsky has proposed dividing up Western Ukraine between Poland, Hungary and Romania. Poland quickly responded that it has no interest in annexing former Eastern Poland. I can't blame them.'
Neil: I'm trying hard to understand somehting that doesn't exist. Waiting for proof.
Neil: A bettor other than bitbet. Bitbet gives one side to the originator of course, so I don't even understand your example. Of course, you may have smart decision makers who decide whether a given proposition is more likely to turn out + or -, but that's beside the point. Real-life non-bibet bettor in size (say > 0.5 BTC each side)? Just one example?
mircea_popescu: can't say as a ido
mircea_popescu: well no problem, but what you're saying doesn't actually make sense.
Neil: I don't have anything against bitbet. I like the site. Just saying it how I see it.
mircea_popescu: i think you'll have to re-read this later because i can't produce examples if you randomly reject examples.
mircea_popescu: Mats_cd03 spam is not misspelled because the spammers can't hire editors. spam is misspelled because that selects for idiots, and they are looking for idiots (false positives are very expensive for them)
Neil: 50% doesn't weaken the point? OK.
mircea_popescu: nono you don't take my meaning
Neil: mircea_popescu: Given your stake in the process I don't expect you to agree with me. But I think the facts speak for themselves. If someone believes 2-way betting pays they're welcome to continue doing it.
Neil: I don't think it matters what happens. No way is he winning 100 BTC.
chetty: isn't IF what betting is all about?
Neil: mircea_popescu: Don't be daft. One can't take the opposite of his bet.
Neil: It doesn't really matter how the chips land.
mircea_popescu: no lol. i'm claiming that on the basis of picking some outliers you can't make general statements.
mircea_popescu: just as long as you don't wait more than 4 days
Neil: 50% isn't normally considered irrelevant
Neil: I haven't seen a single example of anyone (same output address) betting on bitbet making money. There are numerous examples to the contrary.
ozbot: Gerry Images | F.A.T.
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=TANJ | TANJ. Expletive. Acronym for "There Ain't No Justice." Used like "damn" Also: tangit, tanjing, and other variations. Accredited to Larry Niven. TANJ! I left the oven ...
MisterE: is this the frozen that doesn't suck? http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0376606/
nubbins`: so silvergoldbull (canadian bullion dealer) now accepts btc, but i can't figure out where they're getting their rates from
mircea_popescu: and the russians probably don't want to get aywya
the20year: poland has 500k+ in reserve, mobilizing 7k for practice doesn't seem too huge to me
mircea_popescu: romania doesn't give a shit, as a general policy
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves check it out, this dood would like to make a bet provided mpoe-pr doesn't pay for it in bitcoin and she agrees that no bet can be made.