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jurov: or it was meant the otther way around?
gribble: Trust relationship from user jurov to user mircea_popescu: Level 1: 4, Level 2: 2 via 2 connections. Graph: http://serajewelks.bitcoin-otc.com/trustgraph.php?source=jurov&dest=mircea_popescu
smickles: or something like that
smickles: jurov: yeah, you could only get membership on that forum if you had significant -otc trust with mircea, or even better L2 trust to mircea
jurov: looks it was this one: http://www.bitcoinforum.com
mircea_popescu: o ty :D
jurov: mircea yes, but there were some other ppl that looked serious :)
jurov: and don't want to install/maintain more stuff on the vps just for that
mircea_popescu: jurov forum was more a joke thing. it was never open registration, so it wouldn't make too good a support venue
jurov: i'd like to have some support topic for coinbr
mircea_popescu: i did not see the accusation tho. link ?
jurov: in just got idea... saw some people advertising their forum, can't remember
smickles: jurov: well, i wasn't making the distinction there, maybe out of my own ignorrance, but i saw a statement by piuk that those blockchian messags are in txns via OP_DROP
Tritonio: hae you people seen the amazingrando scam accusation? How big was his mining op?
jcpham: however this doesn't prove an identity or ownership
jcpham: from the same address for a token amount
smickles: jurov: that's what i'm saying, the message is on an unrelated tx
jcpham: the plaintiff will need to prove ownership. i don't see where that has been performed yet.
jurov: smickles. the message was certainly NOT in the tx. it looks like was just slapped on some other unrelated tx using blockchain.info
jcpham: i saw the link but got busy
jcpham: i never listened to it
smickles: jcpham: did you see what i declared as my company's themesong?
smickles: people freaking out about the state of the world and going to bitcoin would be interesting
jcpham: the price, that ios
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 15.29900, Best ask: 15.29980, Bid-ask spread: 0.00080, Last trade: 15.29900, 24 hour volume: 51318.02221687, 24 hour low: 14.45900, 24 hour high: 15.29990, 24 hour vwap: 14.82395
topace_: heh this is gonna crash hard
smickles: i don't think the message could be added after the fact, it's in the tx afaik, however, the tx with the message was made on this past 17th, and isn't the 130 btc in question
mircea_popescu: that's why they're there
mircea_popescu: or anything else the judges come up with
jcpham: we know who or where the current owner is, but can the previous owner prove ownership
mircea_popescu: either sign with the addy or show the deposit slip issued by mpex.
jcpham: so now there is the issue of ownership
jcpham: it appears that way from the information i am reading
mircea_popescu: smickles it's not proof that the same person actually sent the 130
jcpham: i assume the message was added after the fact and blochain.info allows something special
smickles: what are you saying it's not proof of? it looks like a message they put up when decided to sue mpex
mircea_popescu: so this isn't actually proof is it
mircea_popescu: problem is, the addies that signed are not the addies that sent the 130
smickles: it's one of the 'scripts'
smickles: mircea_popescu: if it's in the tx, it is signed by the sender
mircea_popescu: smickles i forgot about it too lol.
smickles: oh lol, i forgot about that
smickles: and they use OP_DROP to put the message in
jcpham: and where is that
jcpham: If bitcointalk wasn't such a toxic waste dump I'd suggest someone curate this information ina thread
jcpham: so that idea negates the claim
jcpham: if it was in the tranasaction then the transaction isn't amistake
mircea_popescu: tho i wouldn't sear to this
jcpham: i'm thinking blockchain wallet
mircea_popescu: they add a little tag and keep a db
mircea_popescu: this will be an interesting case i think
jurov: no you can't put stuff like this into tx
mircea_popescu: me too.
smickles: i think it's stuff you can put in the tx
mircea_popescu: is that the result of him signing the message ?
jurov: go to http://blockchain.info/address/1Fx3N5iFPDQxUKhhmDJqCMmi3U8Y7gSncx
jurov: lol, there's a nice public note on blockchain.info.. did not knew this is possible
jcpham: iirc the mpex faq had some such statement about incorrect amounts
smickles: well, I can't wait to see the argments presented
mircea_popescu: and yes it's said it has to be sent at once lol
mircea_popescu: happens to also be 130 btc
mircea_popescu: jurov that's a different transaction
jurov: i would, and then i'd argue it was nowhere sait it must be sent at once :P
jurov: did he at least send the additional 0.04256216?
mircea_popescu: why do you assume that ?!
jcpham: i assume mpex to be automated
jcpham: so it's a ssimple as someone not follwing the rules
mircea_popescu: now wants to claim it.
mircea_popescu: you can see it in the blockchain
jcpham: is all i have deciphered thus far
jcpham: but i would like any and al details to the particulars
jcpham: i think you are correct. no cross- talk
jcpham: also it looks like this dispute is against mpex et al.
smickles: (the signer of the claim)
jcpham: yes where can ireadup on the particulars
jcpham: that client is the suck
jcpham: rota has to work?
smickles: damn mircea_popescu, who do you think will be chosen as judges
jcpham: that's fun to see
jcpham: it's every exchange too not just gox
jurov: mircea, dunno, perhaps some anarchist thing
mircea_popescu: jurov what's it mean to format sunday ?
mircea_popescu: <topace_> i think a lot of people foolishly think that the crazy up luck month of december will continue << actually december wasn't much off ev was it ?
jcpham: 15.15 the kids are bidding
jcpham: We have good news we have had a new shipment come in yesterday and were able to ship it to you.
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 14.90004, Best ask: 15.00000, Bid-ask spread: 0.09996, Last trade: 14.90004, 24 hour volume: 48207.48847395, 24 hour low: 14.45900, 24 hour high: 15.00000, 24 hour vwap: 14.77713
jurov: Sunday night events. I think we should definitely do it that way.
jurov: I know how to format Sunday. Some of you will also know how to format
topace_: i think a lot of people foolishly think that the crazy up luck month of december will continue
Korbman: damn...glad to see I'm still holding my shares of SDICE bought at .37 :P
pigeons: who is this Shavers guy BFL hired for marketing?
pigeons: anyway, see, if they were a scam, why even write that in the first place!
pigeons: but if big blocks like that, bfl has to rewrite their tablet software!
pigeons: mircea_popescu: the other, non bfl asic manufacturers have mentioned that their devices are agnostic to bitcoin mining, only for sha-256 hashing and i think even agnosting to the 2x256 thing and all that detail stuff being handled in host controller software
jcpham: i'm going to keep mining as long as the orphanage is paying my power bill
mircea_popescu: i have no clue about mining, but i've managed projects before and i'm inclined to suspect that probably there are.
mircea_popescu: that this may conflict with
mircea_popescu: and the question is, are there asumptions baked in (or even burned into silicon)
mircea_popescu: the ideea is that both will go up by degrees of magnitude (like, one or two every year)
mircea_popescu: Korbman there are two factors here : hash speed and average block size.