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jcpham: i'd also be willing
to forego payment
to make
the situation "correct"
jcpham: now you can just
tell everyone
the orta sucks
jcpham: fair is
to split
the 11btc
jcpham: 9
to judges leaving 11
mircea_popescu: it's particularly dumb, in
that it allows idiots
to extract money from me now.
mircea_popescu: jcpham pigeons i hope you realise
the net result of
this will simply be me putting it in
the faq
that i will keep all misrouted funds and fu.
iz: it means
that hurting your opponent doesn't help you..
that's non-zero sum
iz: in a non-zero sum game,
the "selfish" move also helps everyone else
iz: dub: ever heard of
the prisoner's dilemma?
mircea_popescu: i will personally impregnate a billionty womenz
to win
this bet.
dub: and if we are around
to collect, well we already won so we wont need
to
dub: I have a good one, by 2050
there will be less
than half as many humans as
today
jcpham: how can we bet on
this now?
dub: I AM
THE ONLY SELFISH ONE< YOU WILL DIE NOW
dub: its a human
trait, you don't own it you selfish bastard
jcpham: much more so now
that i have a fmily
jcpham: i agree
that i am an entirely selfish human
mircea_popescu: after all,
they're smart enough
to have figured it out first!
dub: when its
that inherently selfish nature of humanity
that is
the reason we need it
dub: is
the root of it is
they
think
that because
they are a beautiful and unique snowflake
they will somehow do a better job
than 'the state'
dub: the hilarious
thing about libertarians and anti-state crowd
jurov: jcpham, funnily enough
that was a communist idea
that everyone must be employed and producing
pigeons: first we need
to get rid of
that meddling lorax
jcpham: i'm
telling you fresh water futures and clean air
jcpham: you want
to breathe, contribute.
jcpham: if we all were required
to produce something
to be usefull, many of us might be in
trouble
pigeons: well, or else people who want
to help "people who cannot provide for
themselves" won't have GovCo in
the way and can help
them
jcpham: without society and
technology
jcpham: i mean death as in people who cannot provide for
themselves
jurov: lol, maybe he'd agree
that inability
to
treat wives as property is kinda oppressing :DDD
mircea_popescu: even if given free reign
to kill anyone at any
time most people couldn't be arsed.
mircea_popescu: listen, killing someione is not
the
trivial matter it appears
to be in video games.
jcpham: removing a lot of
these societal structures implies a lot of death
jurov: not
that it can't be improved... but removing it completely, srsly?
jurov: anyway, i
think when i'd pick random person
that lived 60
to 6000 years ago and explained about how oppressive is
the modern state i currently live in
jcpham: round 'em up and stick
them in a fence?
jcpham: the 'ol fence
trick, eh?
mircea_popescu: jcpham
the dispute of cattle vs farm was settled by barbed wire
jcpham: everyone would be a resource for me
to assign
dub: well, _you_ would because of your conditioning,
that success must be at
teh expense of your peers
jcpham: strong men over here against
this wall
jcpham: C cup and larger against
that wall
jcpham: i would probably attempt
to dominate my peers or control
them
jcpham: if you force me
to live in close proximity with people
jurov: i'd say yurp built on competition for food and land... when it got unbearable, everyone went
to us since it was supposedly much better
there
dub: but
the problem with humans is we are naturally peices of shit
dub: missed
the start of
this conversation
mircea_popescu: what do you
think made barbed wire such a commercial success
jurov: just got
the feeling
that ability
to call 911 was welcomed even
there
jurov: i don't know 'merica history, dunno how many people were actually violently killed
there
jurov: but maybe at expense
to slaves/natives
jurov: good example. it mostly appeared
to work cause
there was no competition for food/land...
jurov: last 60 years in europe are an exception in
this regard
jurov: yes, provided
there are no armed groups roaming
the landscape
jurov: lol, show me any significant group of people
that can exist outside of state without "impression
that
there's something missing"
mircea_popescu: once
the ersatz collapsed
the impression was
that
there's something missing.
mircea_popescu: something completely vital was removed for
the red decades
jurov: i don't see how
the argument relates.. it was not like something completely vital was removed during
the '89 revolution
mircea_popescu: this doesn't prove
trees can't grow on
their own
trunks
mircea_popescu: for
the same reason
takling away
the prop of a
tree leads
to
tree colapsing
jurov: don't know if it's
true but i heard in romania even central heating equipment was stolen in some places
jurov: then why
the first reaction
to state failure is often looting?
mircea_popescu: i
think
this is a convenient statal lie,
to justify
the historically incredible levels of
taxation.
mircea_popescu: for most of history people could be dishonorable
thieves and mostly were not.
jurov: i
tried
to reconcile
that when i
thought about
the gpg story, but no. people just are dishonorable
thieves when
they can.
jurov: and how would
that happen? as long as majority of players are anonymous,
there is no real incentive
to follow
the law
mircea_popescu: jurov_ relationships based on
tribal structures rather
than flow of capital, law and ownership
jurov_: to
the wannabe Rule Of Law irl?
jurov_: mircea_popescu, primitive as opposed
to what ?
mircea_popescu: well anyway, originalyl site started by some guy in
the us
Bugpowder: I started paying attention
to btc when it hit $7
the first
time
Bugpowder: Angel should not have more
than 20% equity
Bugpowder: They pay out
the revenue
to employee salary most likely