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pigeons: wow
the fact
that you actually expected
to win is shocking
pigeons: but yeah sure looks like one
to me
too
pigeons: i asked prior about
that inferred agreement and mp said it wasnt what it appeared
to us
pigeons: it was breach of fiduciary duty, which he did breach cause he failed
to
take a reasonable action
dub: but in
the 'case notes'
there is some arbitaration and an inferred agreement
to refund, so a win for
the claimant is
the intuitive result
pigeons: it wasnt a case against
the breach of conditions
dub: at first glance
this seems open and shut, he failed
to utilise mpex per
teh conditions he agreed
to, he loses
mod6: (12:18) < pigeons> you did cause
the rounded anyway, by your retarted one address deposit system <<
this is amazing
mircea_popescu: the fact
that all btc goes
to
the same address means nobody's deposits or withdrawals can be
traced.
pigeons: you did cause
the rounded anyway, by your retarted one address deposit system
mircea_popescu: yeah, well, i guess
this shows why
the random person, even if well meaning, can not be a judge.
pigeons: you didnt cause it, it is reasonable
that you credit him
pigeons: no way you get anything of
the fees when you could have settled it without rota
mircea_popescu: pigeons i didn't "cause" him
to send rounded numbers dood.
dub: he got
the same amount back
that he spent, you lost
the case, you incur charges
pigeons: you owed him 130,
the fees were
to be allocated, since you caused
the fees, you pay
them not him
dub: mircea_popescu: you should have
thought about it before using a court
to settle stupid shit
jcpham: i know 4 other people who can do
the same
mircea_popescu: pigeons what happens now if you send 100.0 btc, sue, get back 100 + 10 fee + 3 for judging it ? <<<
this.
jcpham: in my mind it
takes little
to no effort
to refund someone
mircea_popescu: you know, money isn't soemthing
to be redistributed
to
the needy. or do you ?
pigeons: 130 + 10 fees you caused him
to incur
pigeons: i would have charged you more
than 140 if i could have
mircea_popescu: the winner gets a fraction of 10 btc =
to
the % he's allocated.
jcpham: 3 judges at 3btc apiece leaves 11BTC
to split in every case
pigeons: ok, winner gets his 10 back
then
that leaves 1
mircea_popescu: 3 judges
to any
trial, each gets 3 btc, for a
total of 9.
dub: either mpex policy is 'you fuckup
the deposit you lose it, no question' or 'don't fuckup but we may be able
to fix it'
mircea_popescu: two parties
to any
trial. each contributes 10 btc, for a
total of 20.
pigeons: we
thought it came from
the looser's 10
pigeons: where does
the 3 come from
pigeons: i dont know mircea_popescu
that isnt clear
to me
dub: mircea_popescu: you appear
to agree
to return
the funds or are at least satisfied with his signing of
the message, if you had won
the case would have looked even more retarded
pigeons: mp paid 9 btc
to get his rota promoted and scare people into being more careful depositing because of raised awareness of
the hassle of errors
jcpham: 2) if
the claimant can prove ownership of said funds
jcpham: 1) if
the claimant paid
the funds
dub: so you wanted
to win,
then pay him back?
pigeons: it shows
that if you expect service from mircea_popescu you better pay
to sue him and win
jcpham: apparently we shit on
that idea
mircea_popescu: dub because now any of
the judges can start spamming my address with 100 btc payments
dub: why is
the rulling against you a problem if
thats what
the rota is for, processing your customer service enquiries
jcpham: there is an idea
that
the fees represent
dub: look at
the notes in
the comments, you are agreeing
to reimburse him
mircea_popescu: you're not part of
the scotus, just yet. so, you know, little room
to
thumb nose.
dub: mircea_popescu: nah, its a dumb
thing for
the rota
jcpham: a
tx fee and a lot less
time could have resolved
this
pigeons: dub: he does if he fails
to make good on
the judgement
dub: that is what
the whole
thing is about right? judges donate
their reputation
to uphold
the reputation of others
pigeons: i am very upset
this was a rota case
dub: I
think you caused
this by using
the rota for something so
trivial
tbh
pigeons: could not make someone pay
to get justice
mircea_popescu: jcpham
that's pretty much it. you allocated
the cost of fucking up
to
the party
that didn't fuck up.
dub: pigeons: 1) because
the policy 'wences' agreed
to by using mpex is clear and you ruled against
that. 2) mpex would have looked a lot worse having forced
the use of rota
then winning
jcpham: the only
thing i can possibly imagine
that we did wrong was split
the fees incorrectly
mircea_popescu: no.
the reason is so
that you people can show you can judge.
dub: pigeons:
then your decision is double wrong
pigeons: dub: actually,
the reason is so he can promote his rota
mircea_popescu: what did you expect,
to start by considering a five million btc case ?
pigeons: well it won't be very useful if its only used for what you bring forward
to it
dub: if
the guy had been forced
to use
the rota and lost, incurring further cost it would be even more of a joke
mircea_popescu: if we don't believe either of
those it's a dead sell, no matter how hard i push it
mircea_popescu: hard enough
to push
the concept as it is, even if we were
to believe judges are marginally qualified and someqwhat sane
pigeons: of course its a win, he either didnt have
to pay, or else his rota gets promted and he pays what he owed
pigeons: but since it decided against you it isnt good policy what
the rota decides
dub: I
think
this is actually a win for mircea_popescu
pigeons: and used
the rota
to back your policy
mircea_popescu: not entirely sure if
that means it'll just die in a corner somewhere, but seems quite likely.
dub: mircea_popescu:
that doesnt make an sense, your policy is
that he would not be refunded, why would
that change during a rota case?
mircea_popescu: basically yay rota, it managed
to lock itself out of pretty much
the only subject matter anyone
thought it worthy of considering
mircea_popescu: next
time someone
tries
that i'll just ignore it and
that's
the end of
that story.
pigeons: i
thought mircea_popescu's submission was an offer
to settle without going
through
this, but when i spoke with him he said no
dub: mircea_popescu: it says in your sumbission
that you would be prepared
to pay him
pigeons: ok
then
the rota did its job
pigeons: mircea_popescu:
the problem is
this isn't an organic dispute, you would have paid
the guy, but you decided if you made him go
through
the rota you would get publicity for it
dub: it makes no sense if
that is
true
pigeons: i didnt mind
the keep your money policy
too much but he made him bring
this case, and no way i can find
that it is reasonable in
this instance