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pigeons: i
thought about giving it
to mp since he does say he keeps errors, but in law
that wont hold up,
thats not reasonable
mircea_popescu: DEPOSIT|{sum}, where
the sum is an integer, written in BTC (note
that you can not deposit less
than 10 BTC). You will be quoted an exact sum, which you must send
to
the exchange address (1Fx3N5iFPDQxUKhhmDJqCMmi3U8Y7gSncx). Don't round anything,
the decimals are
there
to identify you as
the beneficiary. You will be credited
the full amount.
mircea_popescu: again,
this isn't fiat world and socialist government imposing it.
mircea_popescu: jurov no, it's not.
the court isn't above
the contract
jurov: if i'd have a policy saying
to clients "if you make a mistake, screw you" and
there's no real reason why it has
to be so, it's only reasonable
the court would say "screw your policy"
jcpham: i'd like
to know where
the original wording is.....
pigeons: any judgement involving mircea_popescu keeping something would have had
to show he was being reasonable, and he wasn't
dub: I
took a guy
to court for selling me a boat
that leaked,
the ruled in his favour because we didnt have anything about it not leaking in a contract
pigeons: mircea_popescu:
that's absolutely
the issue
dub: I understand how mircea_popescu feels
though
pigeons: it was fair
to both parties, wences was made whole, mp lost nothing other
than
the fees
jcpham: fairness is a relative
term
dub: well
then
the rota wasn't what I and apparently others
thought
mircea_popescu: the entire point is
to have voluntary courts, which is
to say, courts which can be relied on
to be fair. by both parties.
pigeons: dub:
that is exactly how i felt
mircea_popescu: dub
the idea here is
to create a new system, not
to rehash
the old.
mircea_popescu: no but wtf bs is
this, "We are
too good for
the case at hand"
dub: in a real court if you forced a case
to be raised,
then during
the hearing capitualted
to
the other party,
the court would probably impose an additional fine on you for wasting its
time
mircea_popescu: if
that actually is
the case, i should certainly dissolve it.
dub: no, its a ruling saying 'if you are going
to enter into arbitration regarding incorrect depost amounts, do
that privately'
pigeons: mircea_popescu: actually, it was reasonable in
this case
to resolve his mistake,
that was
the ruling
mircea_popescu: not by
those who we identify as "the man" in our misguided quest for social justice.
jcpham: especially if
the user sends
the correct deposit
jurov: no. it is ruling saying "it is improper for mpex
to keep everything if user makes a mistake"
pigeons: and when it does happen, and you've shown mpex
that you made it error,
they dont fix it, hence
the rota decision
jcpham: i see your point, but based on
the details of
this case
pigeons: no but it happens, especially with
the weird deposit system
jcpham: i do not agree with
that
mircea_popescu: basically
this is a ruling saying "it is right and proper for people
to disregard instructions and send anything
they want
to mpex"
markedathome: what would
the difference have been with something like judge.me?
mircea_popescu: dub it reads like mp
taxing himself
to create
the system, and paying people
to be idiots and subvert deposit process.
dub: then, he might have paid someone 10 btc
to handle it
dub: aside from mircea_popescu
taxing himself 10btc
to handly a customer service case
dub: to an outsider reading
that blog post it actually look slike
the rota worked fine
jcpham: the only other option i would've entertained was for both parties
to lose
dub: markedathome: he paid a 10btc fee
to use
the rota
dub: the idea is
teh winner goes away without having lost money
dub: courts award costs
to
the winner, fyi
mircea_popescu: this is literally "he should get
the keys,
the stamps for having asked and if we could we'd have given him all paid
tow weeks vacation
to boot"
jurov: but in
this case it's like
they
told me
they're moving into
the house, it's reasonable
jcpham: metaphorically, wences got back his own keys plus a nother set of keys
to another house?
mircea_popescu: jurov no, you may ask for
the keys back, and even get
them
jurov: ^ can you at least reply
to
this?
dub: mircea_popescu -
the first person
to create his own justice system, and
the first
to destroy his own justice system
mircea_popescu: i
think for everyone else its "o,
that
thing
that couldn't have worked didn't ? o wow."
jurov: <jurov> mircea, so if i mismail
the keys,
they get
to keep
the house? is it what you're saying?
mircea_popescu: i doubt it has any relevance
to anyone other
than
the ppl involved
tho
jcpham: hopefully
the next judges will nt be so biased
dub: maybe
there will be a real case for
the rota one day but it now seems unlikely
pigeons: nope we all
think we are right
jcpham: i
think if you want
to preserve
this in posterity for all
to comment on, it needs
to be moved elsewhere
pigeons: nope i can only see
this one page
pigeons: cause no one wants
to email you
to get credits
to read a web page
jurov: mircea, so if i mail
the keys,
they get
to keep
the house? is it what you're saying?
mircea_popescu: why hasn't
this lively debate
take place in
teh comment section ?!
pigeons: its
the argument he gave
to
the deposit command
mircea_popescu: for
the
tiome you couldn't go inside cause you didn't have your keys or w/e
mircea_popescu: dude i dunno, seriously, mail your house keys
to some random address
pigeons: its not fair, guy had
to go
through all
this just
to get his shit back
jurov: oh, so better
take everything. i see.
dub: I
think
the rota did mpex a favour ruling
this way
pigeons: it was a rule, but mp
told him
to go
to rota
jurov: mircea i don't understand one
thing. why you can't just set a hefty fee for resolving mistakes?
dub: its in
the
ToS, deal with it
dub: its easy for you
to fix
though, just make
the rule hard and fast, no refunds
pigeons: dont
they still have
to win?
pigeons: you lost, you caused
the process by not settling beforehand, so you pay
the fees
pigeons: well cause you
think its an error doesnt make it so
pigeons: well maybe we showed
that, if we shilled we sure wouldnt have and you sure wouldnt have gotten any cases
Namworld: So... can I use
the rota for
the unclaimed giga.etf case? =P
mircea_popescu: pigeons so
that you may prove yourselves as actually
takeable seriously as judges
pigeons: why would
the system award you anything for acting in bad faith
pigeons: why didnt you just pay him instead of making us go
through
this if you expected him
to win?
mod6: i feel like im
taking crazy pills
mod6: its not about who won
the case. its about
the damn ruling.