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decimation: mircea_popescu: presumably people were googling for reasons why bitcoin prices were falling
decimation: http://library.ndsu.edu/grhc/history_culture/history/german_american_journal1.html
moriarty: mircea_popescu, as russia is finding out as a result of ukraine
moriarty: mircea_popescu, economic aggression can be just as painful
moriarty: mircea_popescu, the passport outlines where china thinks its borders are
moriarty: mircea_popescu, have you seen the latest china passport?
moriarty: mircea_popescu, china is actually pretty aggressive territorially
decimation: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Black_Buck << it took 11 refueling planes for one bomber to bomb stanley field in the falklands
decimation: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Invincible_%28R05%29
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ^ precisely why this outcome wasn't on the menu.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: unless i'm misinformed, scotland runs deep in the red.
decimation: mircea_popescu: you mean educatin' the local youths?
moriarty: mircea_popescu, are you a fan of Dan-Mircea Popescu?
moriarty: mircea_popescu, self-employed, entrepreneur, corporate cog, etc
decimation: mircea_popescu: sounds legit, I'll try to adopt that nomenclature
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the man is, approximately, usa and colonies.
decimation: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Friedrich_Gauss
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: lw was itself, for a time, a 'solution' to reddit and hnews
asciilifeform: example of mr y and his thought process - http://lesswrong.com/lw/y3/value_is_fragile
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: well, he'd like to have a say in whether anyone gets to research.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if you were to listen to mr. y, mis-programmed 'agi' is likely to, e.g., disassemble the known universe into constituent atoms to build a gigantic live mendeleev table. because it likes to sort things. or the like...
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: they have an elaborate narrative where 'intelligence' can take on the role of uncontrolled fissile chain reaction (of the kind that was thought to be possible pre-1945)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'artificial general intelligence' in their parlance.
xmj: moriarty: (not themap but interesting_ http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/01/12/1178414/-Racism-has-a-new-name-HBD
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: except that they subscribe to every dogma of present-day usg (incl. 'climate science', 'equality', 'democracy') and so maintain various pretenses.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: approximately.
jurov: Comment author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky This is a road that does not lead to Friendly AI, only to AGI. I doubt this has anything to do with Lenat's motives - but I'm glad the source code isn't published and I don't think you'd be doing a service to the human species by trying to reimplement it.
jurov: http://lesswrong.com/lw/10g/lets_reimplement_eurisko/ lol asciilifeform this is a gem
moriarty: agreed, mircea_popescu
moriarty: mircea_popescu, it doesn't help that the metrics of a good academic is the number of publications, one that seems to be robust in the face of peer review, but take a peek behind the curtain only to unveil the editorial committee having ties to the same university, sigh
moriarty: mircea_popescu, yeah i don't care too much for academia, when i've realised the amount of crap coming from most institutions
moriarty: mircea_popescu, lol
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: It’s a one time universal library card << yes, yes it is.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu, others : http://scottlocklin.wordpress.com/2012/09/12/not-all-programmers-alike/#comment-3728 << smbx for the impatient.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the death of smbx corp. is almost an entire field of scholarship..
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: had industrial utility (one of largest customers - 'american express') - but - smbx spent $maxint on r&d, relied on usg to pay for this.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: to understand, it is necessary to see it. e.g., http://www.loper-os.org/?p=932
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the final doom of smbx corp. was sealed by 'ai winter.' in turn, the demise of the lm ensured that there would be no 'spring' - because carrying on the work in a non-homoiconic language is much like attempting algebra with roman digits.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: recall your quip about heart and liver ?
moriarty: mircea_popescu, lol let me see
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'anyone' where?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: sponsor for what ?
decimation: all these models. here's some real economists discussing how inappicable almost all economic models (sets of assumptions) are to reality: http://www.econtalk.org/archives/2014/09/paul_pfleiderer.html (it's a podcast with transcript mircea!)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: lesswrong << i was de-facto banished there.
decimation: mircea_popescu: then don't eat, if deemed shitty in the subjective opinion of the bureaucrat of the day
decimation: mircea_popescu: you can't, so you put it on display. your job: wash the sidewalk
moriarty: mircea_popescu, i assume ironic humour, rather than any attempt to negate oneself ;)
moriarty: mircea_popescu, i was just being euphemistic :P
moriarty: mircea_popescu, it's the quintessential Veblen goods
moriarty: mircea_popescu, the value in the set may be so economically, but socially? you attain more value by going for the unattainable
moriarty: mircea_popescu, you have to appeal to their emotional side :) and the flip side of that is, you don't even have to spend a dime
moriarty: mircea_popescu, buying them items in hopes to get in their pants would not be very successful, as xmj attested
moriarty: mircea_popescu, all i'm saying is, once you understand women to be a bag of emotions, rather than logical creatures, their motivations, what it takes to motivate them, becomes plain as day
moriarty: mircea_popescu, you give a little to get a whole lot more :)
moriarty: mircea_popescu, in the confines of a conventional western society today
moriarty: mircea_popescu, lol
moriarty: mircea_popescu, lol i would need to trade bitcoin in order to get a wot acct, right?
moriarty: mircea_popescu, and in not so many words, it's easy to put yourselves in the shoes of a woman, if you imagine them to be first a man, take away reason, and accountability
moriarty: mircea_popescu, i've been told by a woman that women exist on a plane different to men
moriarty: mircea_popescu, i like your take
moriarty: mircea_popescu, what is your take on marriage?
moriarty: mircea_popescu, they have potential, but are limited by the ability to realise those potential, because of their minority status and not many people defending them really
moriarty: mircea_popescu, lesswrong is filled with people who have fallen between the cracks of society
moriarty: mircea_popescu, what model is this?
decimation: mircea_popescu: re: lesswrong they push that 'hard-ai' bullshit pretty hard
moriarty: mircea_popescu, well that's why all politicians are liars, in order to be a man of the people, you have to ascribe to philosophies you don't truly believe in to win them over, just so you can fuck them over later on, to protect your class, your clan and family
moriarty: mircea_popescu, haha
moriarty: mircea_popescu, i can see your proclivities towards the ancap notions
moriarty: mircea_popescu, hehe
moriarty: mircea_popescu, think social escorts, etc
moriarty: mircea_popescu, cost of living is high in singapore, so those without the proper education tend to resort to less conducive means to make a living
moriarty: mircea_popescu, but you're right, it makes for an interesting society experiment
moriarty: mircea_popescu, it does not affect the parent as negatively as the offspring, particularly if the parent is not emotionally vulnerable to its offspring :)
moriarty: mircea_popescu, in short, the motivations of the parents are not entirely aligned with the children
moriarty: mircea_popescu, principal-agency dilemma
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i can't have been the only boy who wanted a game machine that would physically damage you when you fuck up...
moriarty: mircea_popescu, that's a good point, i like singapore's system too
moriarty: mircea_popescu, remind me?
moriarty: mircea_popescu, i guess in a way you could say singapore is being "kinder" by telling you upfront that if you take that course, your employment chances will be fucked, so let's help make this idiot-proof as possible by barring you from choosing that road
moriarty: mircea_popescu, lol
moriarty: mircea_popescu, so if photography has low demand but high applicant rates, then most of them get rejected
moriarty: mircea_popescu, singapore took your opinion to a slightly more extreme point, their university application form consists of a ranking of six majors, and the state then allocates a major to you based on a threshold that is demand-adjusted
moriarty: mircea_popescu, haha good point
moriarty: bounce has a point even though mircea_popescu's intentions are noble
moriarty: mircea_popescu, inefficient, i know, but hey some countries do it
moriarty: mircea_popescu, to help the poverty stricken
moriarty: mircea_popescu, of course this ideal is currently impeded by what i consider to be a gross infraction on one of the basic human rights, that is the freedom of movement across borders, one trivialised by border control and such
moriarty: mircea_popescu, i see countries as clubs, that if you do not like the constitution or culture, then you are welcome to join something more to your inclination
moriarty: mircea_popescu, like it or not, a country has got to stand up for the reason it was founded, otherwise, there is little point to be loyal or even nationalistic about it, when it can be hijacked philosophically
moriarty: mircea_popescu, that would not be very meaningful these days considering how some no longer buy/sell bitcoin unfortunately
moriarty: sardan_, an offer, $10 :-)
moriarty: mircea_popescu, i've done a sybil on localbitcoins though :) just so i don't get pinned down as the guy with shitloads of bitcoin
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask mircea_popescu!~Mircea@pdpc/supporter/silver/mircea-popescu. Trust relationship from user assbot to user mircea_popescu: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 26 via 26 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=mircea_popescu | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=mircea_popescu | Rated since: Fri Jul 22 11:04:26 2011
moriarty: ;;gettrust assbot mircea_popescu
moriarty: mircea_popescu, i've fully liquidated my bitcoin position, so i guess no motivation for me to join WoT now
moriarty: sardan_, how much are you selling bitcoincasino.com for?
moriarty: xmj, well black swan for starters has its roots in the classical Humean dilemma :) (i've referenced him because i know mircea_popescu would like it)
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: right. total must be… total
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: well what other nooks are there?
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: sorta the way roman coinage did, eh?