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mircea_popescu: mjr_ they sent two prototype units.
mjr_: why are people doubting delivery? i'm just curious, i thought the first ones already were delived...
jurov: reminder for people who want to bet on/against asics and don't have mpex account: https://bitfunder.com/asset/CoinBr.iDiff-E
mircea_popescu: Diablo-D3 who told you to get involved with avalon baby.
mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=77469.msg1498765#msg1498765 this is sorta funny.
mircea_popescu: was a tough one to close that.
jurov: i did not notice the "Open" choice is by default on bitbet search
mjr_: http://www.universa.net/ just read the front page...i think i might have better luck with email...though i am pretty sure i'll get filtered out quickly
mircea_popescu: give them a call.
mircea_popescu: hey, ask him. i'd be interested too.
mjr_: and i would be extremely interested to know what Taleb Nassim thinks about btc
mjr_: i'm not finished with it, but i think so far that it is very interesting when looked at through the eyes of a bitcoiner
mircea_popescu: this is true.
mjr_: buy and hold is usually the best strategy
Bugpowder: same lack of movement last div too
jurov: maybe, i don't remember, but only this one was found.
mjr_: 4 days i will be ready to invest
jurov: how comes i unexpectedly received something and the address points to http://bitbet.us/bet/131/btc-will-have-a-new-highest-price-in/ ?
mircea_popescu: apparently nobody was holding for div time
mircea_popescu: im fascinated at the relative lack of movement.
mjr_: that book touches a lot of interesting points, but i think it's tamest assertion is that a country is only as strong as it's monetary supply
assbot: I don't know those people, and they don't look very friendly.
mjr_: i think snowcrash is going to be somewhat of a prophecy at this point lol
mjr_: i would take it seriously, and i would adapt
mjr_: but i don't think that means it won't succeed
mjr_: i think banks will not like it very much, nor would governments if taken to its logical conclusion...
mircea_popescu: so then, those very people will say bitcoin is very bad. no surprise.
mjr_: i thought the argument was "will it succeed", the results of it are different for each person
mircea_popescu: this is a valid criticism, it will. as long as they don't want this to happen, bitcoin is and will remain a bad thing.
mjr_: yeah, they conflate "people like to scam people" with "bitcoin is an instrument of scamming"
mircea_popescu: they dislike the fact bitcoin will necessarily bring down the welfare state.
mircea_popescu: "fygm", for instance, is quite telling.
mircea_popescu: if you read through it appears obvious what the actual problems they identify with bitcoin are
mjr_: what is the command here to look at sdice bid/ask?
mjr_: it is very insular, and they probably won't look at any data that disagrees with their preconceived notion
mircea_popescu: not really. there's not an objective standard of proof, especially not for people who aren't interested in seeing certain result sets.
mjr_: and that is something they would care about
mjr_: so their theory will look stupid (moreso than now)
mjr_: the real world bears out theories or doesn't
mjr_: which they do care about
mircea_popescu: if they were, they'd do real work rather than the sort of boring nonsense that lends itself to foruming
mircea_popescu: in fact, most people who spend a lot of time on forums aren't.
mjr_: that's the sad part is that they know more about it than a lot of users
mjr_: without being extremely mad at themselves for understanding bitcoins, but then choosing to reject
mjr_: i don't see how they could talk about it at all
mjr_: but i don't think they would be able to be as smug at 40....
mjr_: and they objectively didn't
mjr_: well, its overly simplified, but yes, if btc hits a thousand or even 40 we objectively chose correctly
mircea_popescu: mjr_ now that's true
mircea_popescu: not worth it on the old data set. get a fresh one.
mjr_: huh? not at war...but when two people disagree, they bet on the outcome, the winner wins...in pure rational economics...which this isn't
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: care to say why the theory is nonsense?
mjr_: rationality says i bet with my money and they bet with theirs...the outcome will be objective
mjr_: how would the cray titan do at hashing?
mircea_popescu: nice is one way to put it. from what i've seen in sa's digests, it burns some people
mjr_: but it is nice to see how this compares to boinc or seti@home etc
mircea_popescu: the two aren't really all that interchangeable
mjr_: this is the biggest distributed computing project in human history i imagine
mjr_: this is like the matrix...i can only imagine (if the asics turn out to be widespread) just how many petaflops we will reach
mircea_popescu: and most btc users matter in the sense most los angeles self-styled actresses matter.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform good, then i can point out why the theory is nonsense on fresh data.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: but most BTC users will ignore the results, even more firmly than they ignored Shamir's.
ShaTwo: When they were not even as big.
evoorhees: I think the most exciting thing is that this rediculous numbers will get the attention of established gambling sites, and they will no longer ignore bitcoin
mjr_: so great to see such a success story...and i think the future looks even brighter
mircea_popescu: S.DICE paid a total dividend of 2`000.73731948 BTC to 10`000`000 outstanding shares. #dividend #bitcoin #btc #stocks
evoorhees: SD dividend is about to launch
mircea_popescu: may 2012 is right before s.dice started to move, among other things
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1009 re-doing that would be a worthy exercise ☟︎
mircea_popescu: okays, seems the echo is resolved as well.
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 20.08903, Best ask: 20.18000, Bid-ask spread: 0.09097, Last trade: 20.08903, 24 hour volume: 91978.23757009, 24 hour low: 18.00000, 24 hour high: 21.10000, 24 hour vwap: 19.72608
Bugpowder: on the weekend
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 20.01826, Best ask: 20.08896, Bid-ask spread: 0.07070, Last trade: 20.01826, 24 hour volume: 91960.08171071, 24 hour low: 18.00000, 24 hour high: 21.10000, 24 hour vwap: 19.72764
smickles: heh, i guess there was ambiguity in that last line of mine
mircea_popescu: ya but still... at the time btc still was 4 bux
smickles: especially if you condider what I got for what value i gave up at the time
smickles: mircea_popescu: yeah, it's more about the disconnected thought of 'what if I had that btc now'
smickles: I just realized that I paid 33~ btc for one year of this vps back when btc was around 4 bucks
mircea_popescu: well ok then!
mircea_popescu: a, back in the early beta days
jurov: meh, already happened twice. just with options instead of btc
mircea_popescu: jurov that's an idea.
pigeons: i was trying to use margin!
mircea_popescu: not the securities exchange
mircea_popescu: jurov the usd/btc exchange is at issue
mircea_popescu: jurov ty
jurov: I won't speak for Ukto just I think he'll keep the exchange privately owned atm. me with coinbr likewise.
dust-otc: does anyone want to make a scam accusation thread against imsaguy?
mircea_popescu: you planning the same with weex Ukto ?
mircea_popescu: jurov : email me a copy of this thing
bowjob: Fuck this shit. I'm too tired. I've been awake for nearly 36 hours, I've spent the majority of the time walking around. Congrats to the (un)fortunate fucker who will get my spot.
bowjob: I'm already willing to throw 80 BTC to some potential scam and yet they can't set up a way to facilitate the transfer
pigeons: i will buy 2nd hand asics from the people who borrowed on their credit cards to buy them and underestimated the difficulty rise or don't getthem soon enough
bowjob: Yeap. May as well switch to BFL, but pay with PayPal
bowjob: "look on the bright side. this is probably a good indication of how your unit would work."
bowjob: of course not. i'll wait for them to fix it before provably throwing away 80 BTC
Diablo-D3: do not try to complete an order until they do, you will lose coins
bowjob: if mpex is dog, that site is dog shit's dog shit.
Diablo-D3: wait until they turn off caching and cdn
bowjob: they opened up the orders, the problem is no one can fill them.. the site is broken