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awkorama: alright guys, leaving for
today, nice chatting
to you, g/n
jurov: kako i suspect you. really looks like you
turn
the light off, did
the
trades, started assbot again
jurov: kakobreklaa: assbot down. i'm sure
there's serious activity on s.mpoe atm
awkorama: and also choose it at
the beginning of development
awkorama: jurov:
that might work, you need
to remember for each column
though, how many decimal places you have
there
mjr_: and node.js in
the back
mjr_: but i would say angular is great for
this sort of
thing
awkorama: and
then add hotkeys for desktop version
mjr_: yes, and
then i would want hot keys
mjr_: i mean for
trading at least
mjr_: i
think mobile would be
too restrictive
smickles: lol, ok,
time
to start coding a backup way
to get
the overall market 24hvwap
awkorama: be sure
to make it "mobile first"
mjr_: i was
talking
to jurov of how cool it'd be
to build a really nice browser based
trading platform
mjr_: anyway, you should check out angular.js...i want
to do my next web project using
that
gribble: Error: I
tried
to send you an empty message.
mjr_: but i
think using
tuples of numbers ie. int + float could be a possible solution
mjr_: or something like
that
mjr_: well, one possible solution is
to calc
the decimal portion as an integer and
then append it
to another int
awkorama: so at least my data will be fine, even
though my front-end right now does not deal in decimals
awkorama: mongo wouldn't be able
to compare such numbers in where clause
mjr_: more philosophically
than in practice
mjr_: no float is ever really accurate in
the grand scheme of
things
mjr_: 15 decimal places? even btc only goes down
to 8
mjr_: smallest 64 bit number greater
than 1
mjr_: is
that not more
than enough precision?
awkorama: because
that is just 64 bit float
awkorama: if it's just js Number
type
then NO
mjr_: but i personally hate strongly
typed so you may be
talking
to
the wrong person about
that
mjr_: i
think you can set precision can't you
mjr_: yeah
that i don't know
mjr_: i
think
that is
the future
awkorama: multiple node.js instances communicating with each other
through rabbitmq.
Bowjov: according
to BFL, I can still get an asic if I win
their "lottery" system, even if I pre order
today?
awkorama: Also
this is
the first project I went js only (including server side), so I realized how much I suck at js :)
mjr_: very
true L33T css3 rounded corners and drop shadows
mjr_: great UI
though, and
they made it easier
mjr_: i would like
to do mine
that way, but it wouldn't really work
mjr_: and i like
that style a lot
mjr_: coinbase got 600k and
they went
through YCombinator
awkorama: no.. I want
to keep
this all on net, no country involved
mjr_: thought you meant investors in
the sense of venture capital firms
mjr_: in
that case great idea and i would do
that
mjr_: IPO is
tough in btc world
awkorama: e.g. going public with
the idea but calling out
to pool of investors
awkorama: maybe I just hack some code
together quickly and push it live without an investor and
then arange an IPO
to raise some starting funds
mjr_: i
think it's obvious
to me
mjr_: for example...is it
that unique
to do my idea? (no one has done it yet)
mjr_: and one of
the hardest
to actually decide
mjr_: intelectual property is one of
the fastest growing areas of law
mjr_: so if he implements it...he can say, i had
this idea
awkorama: anybody can come up with idea, nobody really implemented it (or so does google
tell me)
awkorama: yes, but
that is NDA in general, not in virtual
mjr_: ie. could someone have come up with
this on
their own?
mjr_: and
that is why NDA is hard
mjr_: that is if his idea is so closely related
to yours
that it is provably
the same
awkorama: and
then I can publish
the plaintext prooving
that it was indeed me who created
the idea in
the first place
awkorama: mjr_: no.. because if he implements
the project, it would be public
mjr_: plagiarists rarely do
that, haven't we all kinda paraphrased stuff for our papers after copy pasting?
mjr_: so if he decided
to share with other people your exact idea, and not even bother
taking your name off it and replacing it with his own, you could prove
that he was using your idea
mjr_: but if he changes
the name on it...
mjr_: if he decides
to post your exact plan
awkorama: yeah, but checksum is enough in
this case
mjr_: or email it
to someone secure so
they have a record of it being emailed at a certain date and
time
mjr_: or mail it
to yourself
mjr_: i would say
that a picture with a
timestamp, or something like
that is proof as well
awkorama: well..
then
the WoT would decide whether he broke
the NDA or not
mjr_: look at facebook, zuckerberg and
the winklevoss
smickles: a public hash of
the idea, and proof you
talked
to
the scammer.
mjr_: but if he says he was "inspired by" or it was "similar
to something i was already doing"...that is what makes it a gray area
mjr_: i guess
the problem in
this case specifically would be in
that yes if he implemented it EXACTLY as you had specified, you could sue
awkorama: well
the project would be discribed in detail
awkorama: and if
the investor implements it without me, I can proove
that he broke
the NDA
mjr_: and how would you verify
that what
the person HEARD was related
to what you WROTE
awkorama: then I send it plaintext
to investor
mjr_: but
they could read it out loud
to someone
mjr_: no i get it, you could do
that
awkorama: and send
the hash of
that message
to whole network
mjr_: so
that's what makes it
tough
mjr_: messages by
their very nature are repeatable...even if on other medium
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mjr_: so people can
take picture with other device...
mjr_: so
they added a feature
to check if you
took a screenshot
mjr_: because you can
take a screenshot
mjr_: but
they ran into issues right away
mjr_: because
they could call someone, and just verbally
tell
the idea
mjr_: no...not in any way i can
think of
awkorama: and
thus harm
their reputation
mjr_: and
that is
the end of
the scope of encryption...i have been
thinking about
that a lot lately,
the inability
to create an unrepeatable message
awkorama: yes
they can, but can i
then proove
that
they got
the message from me ?
mjr_: it's
tough, if
they are intended
to receive
the message...they can retransmit it's cleartext
mjr_: if someone else does it
that is fine
too
awkorama: I wonder whether
that can be enforced
through cryptography somehow
awkorama: it can harm someone's reputation
though