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Ukto: if I buy those 10, I can choose to withdraw them to weex, and have 10 AUD in weex.
Ukto: you can then place them for sale at whatever rate per AUD you want.
BitHub: only these shares or all the ones on bf?
Ukto: you can deposit 'shares' from weex of any currency, or withdraw them
BitHub: ahh okey so instead of sending btc back to weex i can send these fiat.usd or buy em and it'll instantly show up as fiat on weex
Ukto: for example, on BF, if you goto the transactions page
Ukto: The diffrence is that people can instantly exchange the FIAT.*'s for real currency via BF/Weex
BitHub: is this kind of what this is? i've been following but a bit lost
Ukto: BitHub: you could try.
ThickAsThieves: is this the only asset exchange that has somethng like this?
Ukto: My comment about legal reasons, was ment to be very broad, not specific. :)
Ukto: the market can valuate the usd aginst the BTC however it wants
ThickAsThieves: although i suppose i could sell 1 FIATUSD for more or less than $1 worth of BTC
Ukto: you have shares that may be traded out for USD by another entity
ThickAsThieves: but it's effectively the same
ThickAsThieves: but this isnt much different
ThickAsThieves: seems like a thin court defense, but i know nothing of the laws
Ukto: Rather than the previous limitation of 'I can SELL it for USD'
Ukto: it is there to support BTC.
Ukto: also, BitFunder is not there to support USD, etc
Ukto: they DO have a name.. its not liek they are done to the cent
ThickAsThieves: will you also make it possible to buy shares of any stock with USD?
Ukto: and the currencies ARE assets in this form
Ukto: If you follow the terminology.
Ukto: sure. You can look at it from that point of view.
jurov: i mean, selling FIAT.USD is fully equivalent to buying bitcoins, no?
Ukto: BF is just taking more advantage of the merchant system offered by weex
mjr__: guys! only $969 to go :)
Ukto: for those assets
Ukto: withdrawing any number of shares of FIAT.USD (or other currencies) to WeExchange automatically converts X shares to X dollars of that currency
jurov: what's the advantage over buying bitcoins directly?
Ukto: which are auto converted to 1 share FIAT.USD per $1 USD
Ukto: any user can deposit their USD from weex into bitfunder
Ukto: I dont offer the shares
jurov: hi Ukto, what's your plan with FIAT.USD? you will offer the shares yourself?
mircea_popescu: it's possible to beat it on a term of any arbitrary finite length
mircea_popescu: listen, you can't beat house edge on INFINITE term.
error4733: you can't beat house edge on long term
Ukto: BitFunder is now trading backed AUD/USD/CAD. https://bitfunder.com/asset/FIAT.USD for example.
mircea_popescu: it has to.
mircea_popescu: error4733 you know one of these days its going to go well under ev.
mircea_popescu: prolly a better long term indicator i'd guess
mircea_popescu: how's the small bets ?
error4733: nothing big today
ThickAsThieves: well, not nearly, but plenty of time for a whale to lose his btc
ThickAsThieves: no profit yesterday i think
ThickAsThieves: only need about 720 or so BTC profit per day to break the bet
Bugpowder: oops he is out too
Bugpowder: so that person could drive the profits
Bugpowder: that has about 3-4k too
error4733: yep it's the S.dice wallet :)
ThickAsThieves: and that there aren't other whales
Bugpowder: there is a new address though
Bugpowder: check the address balances.
ThickAsThieves: anything can happen in the next week though
error4733: yep easy bet if you not correct with the btc rise
error4733: if you look in $, pretty same result, no free fall. 395K to 360k still one week
pigeons: plus th 5% dividend rake
mircea_popescu: who knew running PTs can be that lucrative, there's what, like 4-5 btc on the spread right there ?
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 30.77586, Best ask: 30.79999, Bid-ask spread: 0.02413, Last trade: 30.77586, 24 hour volume: 53263.39730356, 24 hour low: 29.42000, 24 hour high: 30.84000, 24 hour vwap: 30.07494
ThickAsThieves: why do the stats dip like that this time of day?
gribble: There are currently 7044.8875 bitcoins offered at or under 31.99 USD, worth 221886.66444 USD in total.
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 30.61955, Best ask: 30.76200, Bid-ask spread: 0.14245, Last trade: 30.76200, 24 hour volume: 55152.61716662, 24 hour low: 29.42000, 24 hour high: 30.76200, 24 hour vwap: 30.03966
DeadWeasel: yeah, he'll get it back, I just hope it gets out there in the media more.
error4733: +3000 BTC profit for the last 1000 bet (2days) 2500 above EV !
jurov: ohh the other futures were discontinued? MUST FIX
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller that's a mystery for the ages.
thestringpuller: why the fuck is no one buying IDIFF?
DeadWeasel: apparently, Bowjob -- you've been right every time you said that so far
Bowjob: It sucks that I can't really watch anime
Bowjob: I bet someone with Geass here keep telling people to buy buy buy
Bowjob: one of the FGPAs of Avalon
Bowjob: Omg.. and another thing
gribble: BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 30.04001, Best ask: 30.16900, Bid-ask spread: 0.12899, Last trade: 30.04001, 24 hour volume: 51240.83998307, 24 hour low: 29.31100, 24 hour high: 30.65000, 24 hour vwap: 29.82270
Bowjob: We need an ASIC company named Freja.. that'd be awesome
Bowjob: wait thats bASIC
Bowjob: BFL are those eunuchs.. who didnt deliver shit
BitHub: is that what i preordered?
Bowjob: this thing is a whole setup
Bowjob: Oh, and it just happened that http://codegeass.wikia.com/wiki/Avalon
Bowjob: ASICs are like the new mainframes
Bowjob: In the end we see Satoshi sacking himself for the good of everyone
Bowjob: so much that hey paid 10,000 BTC for 2 pizzas
Bowjob: Bitcoins, are designed as a fuck you to the feds, in short a rebellion to the feds
Diablo-D3: and Im the guy that likes giant robots
Diablo-D3: I was going to
Bowjob: Actually I think we are the early adopters
Bugpowder: looking forward to being one!
Bugpowder: the goal is to become a power broker
Namworld: If there's no group in power to make rules/exclude, for one person building stuff for the community, 10 will smooch off of that work without contributing.
Namworld: It's more of a problem that being altruistic tends to get you 10 leeches stuck on you...
novusordo: early adopters get more knowledge and better medical treatment
Bugpowder: what tha fuck would we do without that site
DeadWeasel: then I'm going to bed. gotta put up a few more buys for when it crashes.
Bugpowder: time to tip clark moody
BitHub: my penis is dying over this conversation
DeadWeasel: the world, as it is, in terms of society and politics and industry is dying
DeadWeasel: because we don't want to
DeadWeasel: can't argue with that
DeadWeasel: ain't no co-opting of that