asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: alternative is to buy shitbox built by chinese for argentina, where power cord comes out of bottom ? and gentoo won't boot
asciilifeform: (as they were aboard, e.g., submarines)
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: the availability of general-purpose comp was ~pure accident. and quite temporary. just like, say, lathes used to be ubiquitous back when auto repair needed one.
asciilifeform: but the danger of keeping the fungus alive , when it could have been killed -- is imho very real. it is what linux, for instance, ended up doing: keeping the idiot pc architecture alive long past 1995, when it should have burned
asciilifeform: but on the other hand, at some point the pain will begin to be felt, 'i want to build emacs but where do i get not only it but a box that'll build pre-poettering emacs at all, and where do i even get the gcc that still builds it'
asciilifeform: but again, has serious political problem, in my head, in that i would like x64 to DIE, not to live.
asciilifeform: trinque: i've had an x64 asm scheme thing on back burner for eons.
asciilifeform: phf: the reason why i have not attempted the contemplated exercise, nor seriously encouraged others to do so, is that you are right -- c and unix MUST die.
asciilifeform: phf: problems that cannot be solved, are to be properly compartmentalized -- consider a house with a toilet, vs one where the occupants shit where they stand.
asciilifeform: whereas if the debian util needs ~a working debian box~, it solves ~nothing~
asciilifeform: trinque: what does it need in order to begin to exist on the box, though ?
asciilifeform: ~whole point of bsd is to 'not linux' -- the bsds are relics from the time before the 'biofilm', when there was still some coordination and, e.g., same people wrote kernel and userland-utils
asciilifeform: phf: in my experience if something 'includes both', it really expects you to use binary crapola at ~some~ point.
asciilifeform: ( which bsd ? bsd died six different deaths, at different times ..)
asciilifeform: but mircea_popescu has it, 'house without architect' looks like brazil.
asciilifeform: trinque: i stopped reading the 'nows' a while ago.
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: at one time, gentoo came with instructions for how to build it from 0 (using only an existing c compiler, and buncha src tarballs)
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: around the time gentoo irrevocably went to shit, notice, it stopped supporting stage1 builds
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: nobody after the age of 'spam cdrom', where, e.g., rathead 5 HAD TO fit on 5 disks 'or what, user will use his dial-up to load the rest?\
asciilifeform: phf: which is why a serious answer is to go 'full biosphere'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it's a fairly obvious extension of 'rotor'
asciilifeform: a thing that exists as buncha genesisen and can turn into a usable workstation os (gcc, gnat, x11, emacs, lynx, etc)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i was thinking of much more modest item -- replacement of ' asciilifeform's gentoo ' with something replicable on demand, for eternity (vtronic repo, vtronic 'portage')
asciilifeform: and what requires blob, requires very particular (linux 3-4.x) kernel, to eat it.
asciilifeform: afaik all known eulora-capable (e.g. any 3d acceleration at all) gpu require blob
asciilifeform: the eulora thing is complicated because gpu
asciilifeform: phf, ben_vulpes , shinohai , trinque , anybody ever saw a box like this ?
asciilifeform: ( not a thing i have ever personally witnessed, but new depths of vendor retardation are discovered every day )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: iirc you somehow, somewhere got a box where it wouldn't even boot the install disk
asciilifeform: if gentoo.org etc evaporate, or , as more likely, go the usual way of decay -- that'll be all, for it
asciilifeform: at one point i answered mircea_popescu's 'you could not replicate your workstation' challenge with the gentoo cure. but that will only work 'while supplies last', i'm not even certain when the last time was that anyone tested it
asciilifeform: phf: the 'make bsd with vtronic portagetron' thing looks slightly more appealing every day
asciilifeform: phf: hey, they 'deprecated' flymake (that works with all sane compilers past and future) in favour of 'flycheck' liquishit
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: yeah but the impression i used to get in the past, is of cynical fraud, well aware of the sheer lunacy of the claims
asciilifeform: almost like these folx never heard of sybil etc.
asciilifeform: to coordinate job (do hiring, communication, etc.), but not necessarily have to be expert in the field to be able to check freelancer’s work (e.g check developer’s code).'
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-03#1636368 << lulzy, e.g., 'Now you have to choose authorized addresses that will be allowed to spend funds from sponsors. These addresses will be in charge of evaluating whether work was properly done and therefore they’ll be paying freelancer’s invoices. Note, not even job creator himself has to be allowed to spend funds. Job creator can be somebody who’s willing to spend free time for community☝︎
