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dub: if you had
to pay for every grain of rice you bought individually with a CC, amex would crumble
too
mjr_: yes,
that makes sense
dub: the blockchain is not intented for
this level of nanotransactions
mjr_: mircea:
to be fair, i don't
think
that
the protocol EXCLUDES
the use of a layer on
top of it
that could replicate "accounts"...
mircea_popescu: thinking in
terms of "you" and pretending
to be involved in bitcoin is
the ultimate lulz.
mjr_: you put money in, and
then
they push money back at you
mjr_: i would
think of it as...does
the casino not calculate your payout after each hand?
mircea_popescu: the reason you cash out after every bet is
that
there's no "you"
mjr_: and i
think it is a good image
mjr_: yep it is only
transactions
dub: mjr_: sanest comparison I've seen was from
this channel, imagine a casine where you had
to cash out and back in after every bet
mjr_: dub: if
they include fees fuck what
they use it for
mircea_popescu: dub mpex uses
the blockchain for accounting a different way.
dub: mjr_:
they're probably arguing
the wrong
thing but factually SD using
the blockchain for accountign is retarded
jcpham: somewhere between
the
two "e" in free market,
there is
tiny subscript begging for gubment oversight
mjr_: yes, because
the miners should get less money? not
to mention
the fact
that it's about people enjoying and using bitcoins...so you will
take away a popular service
to further your cause?
mjr_: i literally saw someone say "sdice actually gets
the gambler
to pay MORE fees,
they should be banned"
mjr_: its like
they don't understand what "free market" means
mjr_: ugh,
the discussion on
the forums is so fucking silly
mircea_popescu: yeah, sure, i'm not keeping 10k worth of pipe as a hot and ready
to go backup, i admit
jborkl: this was a really good
test for MPEX
deadweasel: they were all jibberred up,
then like, ok, i'm ok now.
deadweasel: it was interesting
to watch people show up here, get a proxy addy,
then go
trade.
mircea_popescu: that
the bot later was w/o a feed cause mtgox went bananas is a diff story
jborkl: yeah, a few months ago Bank of America got ddos for I
think 3 days
mircea_popescu: just
the fact
that
traders could close > 50k btc worth of option positions normally whiole mpex was being ddosed
to hell
mircea_popescu: jborkl
the only disputer was, "will it be government or not"
jborkl: Hell, anyone not expecting
this attack at some point was not paying attention
mircea_popescu: proving
that mpex can't be effectually attacked is part of
the game
deadweasel: i can
tell, fuckin' Rick James up in here
mircea_popescu: understand :
this was planned for. sooner or later someone was going
to attack mpex.
deadweasel: mircea_popescu: keep your friends close... might want
to sort out who/what
this was
mircea_popescu: im
too busy
to investigate exactly wtf happned
to
them right now
nanotube: so if all it does is
take requests and pass
them on
nanotube: also, another option, mircea_popescu : set up an amazon ec instance.
they give you unlimited BW, only care about disk and cpu usage.
nanotube: mircea_popescu: make sure
to have
the bot communicate with another secret proxy, not core server. so if bot is cracked open,
they only discover one of your proxies, not real location.
mircea_popescu: this of course has no bearing on
the new pipe coming online.
nanotube: but
there are so many pastebins out
there, you can easily cycle among
them
imsaguy: but
then mpex passes pgp back :p
nanotube: imsaguy: heh well, just have it
take a pastebin link, and pass it along
to mpex.
nanotube: and if you use gribble/supy as base, it by default limits number of commands per user per
time, so
they can't even flood it out.
nanotube: so
they'd have
to
take down all of freenode.
nanotube: mircea_popescu: should be pretty
trivial
to set up an irc bot
that just
takes user input and passes it along
to your server. if you set it up with a cloak, attackers can't even know its ip.
gribble: BTCUSD
ticker | Best bid: 42.50001, Best ask: 42.69899, Bid-ask spread: 0.19898, Last
trade: 42.50001, 24 hour volume: 174284.00806825, 24 hour low: 33.30000, 24 hour high: 48.40000, 24 hour vwap: 41.65273
jurov: i
told namworld myself. but he's just not
the right person for
that.
jcpham: it seems like maybe you attemtped
to notify
them
jcpham: i could've
told
them coinbr was going
to get ddos'd yesterday
jurov: <phungus> we've found out
that it is indeed coinbr.com being ddos'ed
imsaguy: I doubt you want in
that dungeon
mircea_popescu: in
the middle of installing gear so might not be
the best
time
Chilca: I can
talk with
the CEO and he can ship one
to your dc if you want.
Chilca: imsaguy: In my company we use radware
to stop ddos.
imsaguy: but
the rest of
the
time, I
try
to make up for it.
imsaguy: mod6, I'm pretty stupid, most of
the
time
mod6: this is a pretty sweet idea
tho imsaguy
Chilca: do you guys have a firewall on
top
the servers?
mod6: im not even sure I ever noticed
the pastebin expire
time lol
jurov: despite i did
tell him it's
to be expected
jcpham: my opinion of switzerland is
that it is not for critical stuff
jurov: can't get over it... namworld said "o mpex.coinbr.com has problems, prolly ddos" and he went
to sleep
jurov: mircea i'm speaking about bitvps
to jcpham
mircea_popescu: and contrary
to what everyone
thinks, great ideas also need sane management
to get anywhere.
jurov: if namworld was able
to remember
that coinbr in on bitvps
jurov: jcpham, now imagine
they could have started resolving it 6 hours earlier
mircea_popescu: you can
take a string and encrypt it with mpex key right now
mod6: ok imsaguy,
that should work
mircea_popescu: mod6 listen,
the pastebins would be encrypted with mpex key
imsaguy: it only needs
to live for <10 minutes
imsaguy: that why you expire
the pastebin
mod6: yea. i just figure maybe having our asses hanging in
the breeze is a great oppertunity for
the NSA
to
try
to extract data on a sort of chosen cypertext attack
mircea_popescu: but if someone breaks pgp in 2049, what do
they get ? a lot of BUY|S.BLABLA|350|45000 ?
jcpham: yes
thank you my vps is fubar
mod6: as well, is it a good idea
to store everyones cyphertexts indefinately?
mod6: Any paste or usage pattern not related
to
that goal which results in unusually high
traffic will be flagged for investigation.