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dub: but
there is a scaling problem due
to SD, you can't argue against
that
dub: personally I
think
the problem will be solved differently
mjr__: gave a lot of publicity
to bitcoin? check
dub: and romantic ideals aside,
this is really just a question of, will
the everyman use bitcoin if its p2p'ness goes away
mjr__: I am just
tired of hearing about how bad sdice is
mjr__: i
take it you don't like
the Soft BP?
mjr__: i am just saying, if you have
the mining hardware,
then your
thoughts on
this (actually your actions) may matter...no one else's opinion really does
jborkl: you are
trying
to control one
thing, what aboput
the next
thing
mjr__: i just
think
they are used
to systems where
they are in charge
dub: but is it easier
to replace
teh dev
team or get SD
to implement
their own ledger
mjr__: i don't
think
they are stupid necessarily
dub: that is very much part of
the problem
mircea_popescu: the problem is most of
the people who
think
they're devs for no reason aren;t out yet.
mjr__: anyways, i just am
tired of hearing about what people "should" do
mircea_popescu: most of
the people who had bitcoin for no reason are out,
thanks
to pirate and
the other scasmmers
jborkl: I changed my client
to 500, it
took like 5 seconds
dub: ok so we're back
to
the scaling argument
mircea_popescu: by
the sort of idiots
that also broke
the way bitcoind creates
txns
mircea_popescu: dub for
the arbitrarily stupid 250k block limit baked in
jborkl: so, as people upgrade clients-
transactions get passed faster
dub: mircea_popescu: it was
teh
tipping point for block size limit
mircea_popescu: the network works fine with sd. what it doesn't work fine with is
the appalingly poor quality of coding
dub: mircea_popescu:
they raised
their fee, pushing all
their usually slow confirming
txn
to
the front of
the queue
mircea_popescu: this incidentallty shows clearly how misplaced all
the sd
trolling is.
jborkl: His point of view caused
that
jcpham: dub i got my
txns in before noon central
jborkl: only one person filters SD
transactions
that I know of, and his pool is dying
dub: did you notice it
took all day
to send coin?
mjr_: my point is
that everyone votes with
their mining power
jcpham: is
that what just happened
dub: bitcoin adoption as a whole may not accept
that
mjr_: seriously, why does everyone feel
the need
to nurture something
that is bigger
than
them and smarter
mircea_popescu: "the poor aren't voting
to steal from
the rich because
they've not been sufficiently explaining
the benefits of
theft"
dub: sure if you accept
that 6 confs doesnt
take an hour anymore
mjr_: ok, so let one come, and
then
they will adjust
dub: it will
take a
technical probelm
to change
them
mjr_: ok...so it is not important
to
them
to stop
this
dub: this has been shown plenty of
times
dub: the market wont decide
to stop because
teh mining 'market' is not informed
mjr_: so if
the market decides
to stop
then
they are right
mircea_popescu: <jborkl>
the majority with money agree,
the rest dont count <<
this guy is mircea_popescu
mjr_: they verify
the
transactions
dub: because
they are stupid
mjr_: um...the fact
that sdice
transactions are included begs
to differ
jborkl: the majority with money agree,
the rest dont count
mjr_: because if
the majority agree...they do it, if
they don't, you were wrong
mjr_: that is
the point, if what you
think "should" happen,
then if it really should, it will...if it shouldn't it won't
mjr_: for anyone
to say
that
the people who came up with
this system didn't get what
they want is retarded
mircea_popescu: as soon as
they start
thinking
they know what *should* be what
jcpham: i'm pretty sure
the united nations is an illuminati sect
mircea_popescu: as long as people submit
to natural law
the
take over
the world.
mircea_popescu: the soviet union,
the united soviets of america,
the blabla
mjr_: it hasn't worked for
them AT ALL
mjr_: obviously america has not gotten a stranglehold over
the world
mircea_popescu: dub
the only reason capitalism failed was because idiots with "should" abandoned it
dub: we know from
the abject failure of capitalism
that
there are not enough informed players
to make it work
jborkl: That is fucking stupid
to say, you only need participants
mjr_: the point is
that no one can say "i want
to shape
the future of bitcoin"
jcpham: implying no such
thing as free will
dub: there is no such
thing as free market
mjr_: exactly,
the free market has decided
that sdice is a good
thing
dub: mjr_: yes
there is, economic incentive
mjr_: so if it is so important,
they will
mjr_: there is nothing stopping miners
to band
together and block whatever
traffic
they want
to
mjr_: think about it
this way
mircea_popescu: jborkl i
think he's
trying
to make sense of
that position.
jborkl: dub are you Luke? cause
this sounds like his stupid logic
mjr_: i
think
that
there is what IS...what
the market has decided
dub: mjr_: yes and 'the internet' has fundamentally changed a few
times
to cope with scaling
mircea_popescu: the only shoulds here are
the devs should stfu and fix bitcoind.
mircea_popescu: nobody has license
to come out with
the sort of bullshit "shoulds"
dub: driving fees up
to counter
the problem is goign
to kill adoption
mjr_: what is
the internet "designed" for? so university professors could share scholarly work
mircea_popescu: dub
the only
thing
that's going
to break it is pseudo-governmental posturing.
jborkl: then
those people will quit
dub: making it
take up an unrealistic amount fo resource is goign
to break it
mjr_: it is like
the internet
mircea_popescu: as long as it's useful for something,
that's what it's for.
jborkl: who decided
this nonsense
mircea_popescu: moreover, who
the fuck said what
the blockchain is for ?
mjr_: dub: i feel
that what
they are saying is
that "the blockchain shouldn't be used for individual grains of rice, so no rice for anyone"
jborkl: Who said
the blockchain is only for a certain
transaction?
mircea_popescu: the day we go in
the marketplace with a workable solution
that would crtumble amex