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topace_: yea, no need to do that :p
Ukto: topace: at least you didnt freeze trading :D
mircea_popescu: topace_ careful with that one
ThickAsThieves: i cant see wall st investing in something that is controlled by devs in IRC
topace_: bitcoind listtransactions bitches abotu safe mode, is there a way to tell it to just show me the transactions anyways?
benkay: be a shame to see the us consolidate under their iron grip
benkay: i hope morgan and co drop the ball hard
mircea_popescu: and they're bringing the clap to wallstreet
mircea_popescu: thing about it, you're getting it through 2 proxies
mircea_popescu: dude this will be so humiliating to mtgox
smickles: benkay: it was less than 6 block according to one claim by someone in -dev
dub: was there an alert sent to 0.8? I don't see it in .7
benkay: what was the delay between blockchain fork and broadcast?
benkay: cool thanks.
benkay: what's the mtgox lag command?
smickles: some were saying that, some were saying raise the limit
dub: anti-dice would be work to exclude their tsn not increas the limit
smickles: dub: and i don't think i said they were responsible, i said they forced the issue
smickles: dub: i can see that we disagree, but i don't think the limit should be raised until the necessary txfee is unreasonably high
dub: so sayign teh anti-dice crew are responsible is wrong
mircea_popescu: not like iot says right there, "put a little tx fee, it helps the network" etc
mircea_popescu: its on the interwebs so its free etc.
dub: yes but they didn't know that
mircea_popescu: dub mom and pop need to stfu and pay for tx
dub: which everyone was used to living with, when it suddenly turned into mom and pop's txns taking days to confirm somethign had tobe done
dub: smickles: yeah dice txns
smickles: hmm, i recall there being thousands of unconfirmed txns for months and months
dub: pushing everyone else out of the way
dub: smickles: it became a problem when dice increased their fee
dub: smickles: yes we were, there was 4000 unconfirmed txn when the call went out to up the limit
mircea_popescu: smickles maybe they'll merge then
smickles: dub: we weren't hitting the softcap that offten
smickles: mircea_popescu: 23 minutes on the .7 chain
dub: smickles: yes it was raised to accomodate dice
smickles: that's the offending block
smickles: dub: http://blockchain.info/block-index/357948/000000000000015c50b165fcdd33556f8b44800c5298943ac70b112df480c023 the soft limit was raised
smickles: mircea_popescu: they do do a little on the testnet, it's just that the queue of stuff to test is long, and noone want's to help out
mircea_popescu: mod6 there always was a 1mb limit
mircea_popescu: because bitcoin is tested.
smickles: or after it got caught in testing
dub: because of the dice spam
dub: uh they had to raise it
smickles: dub: this would not have happened now if people were not encouraging pool ops to raise the soft limit on block size because of 'satoshiDice spam'
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mod6: im not trying to troll, i don't know srsly.
dub: <smickles> PeterL: it was the anti-SD'ers who forced this issue
smickles: it's stuff i recall from studying science tho
mod6: if its on the internet it must be true
smickles: and the wiki says that electrons can't be distinguished even in principle
smickles: mod6: i thought all electrons were indistinguishable as far as our best tech can tell
dub: no theres a 250k limit
mod6: so there is a 1mb limit now?
mod6: depends on the scale. at the plank scale everything is a different
smickles: the protons can't tell one electron from the other anyway
jborkl_: better not tell the protons
smickles: ya know, it's quite possible that there is only one electron in the whole universe
Bowjob: he had fishes under the table
mircea_popescu: the (undocumented) limit to client tx size for instance, is not.
kakobrekla: its no better than 250k
mircea_popescu: they need to go through the whole code and take out all the bs of the sort.
mircea_popescu: the 1mb limit is THE limit.
smickles: so you think there should be no limit?
mircea_popescu: it just takes some firm adherence to coding principle.
mircea_popescu: not putting bullshit in the codebase takes no testing
smickles: yeah, but not now. it could've undergone more testing
mircea_popescu: it had no point being there in the first place
mircea_popescu: smickles the 250k arbitrary limit had to go anyway
smickles: PeterL: it was the anti-SD'ers who forced this issue
mircea_popescu: PeterL so far doesn't seem to have affected it
mircea_popescu: is the wrong one taller than 445 ?
PeterL: how will this outage affect satoshiDice share price?
smickles: 8 blocks to be even
smickles: they're still 9 blocks from forcing the switch
smickles: ah, i think i screwed up my look at it then
mircea_popescu: PeterL they're even now or am i on delayed data ?
PeterL: I think in the past hour the 'right' chain has gone up 5 blocks, the 'wrong' one has gone up 2
PeterL: The 'right' chain is definately catching up to the 'wrong' one
Bowjob: watching this is entertaining as fuck
smickles: ya know, there's a chance this band-aid fix won't work, the .8 chain looks like it might be going faster than the .7
smickles: if i had enough coins to justify it, i might run one of each
smickles: 225443 is the .7 chain
smickles: 225453 is the 'wrong' chain
mircea_popescu: if in an hour the "werong" one is +2...
mircea_popescu: Bowjob we see their rate of gain
Bowjob: and i hope everyone is actually mining on the 0.72 chain
smickles: Bowjob: they have a band=aid fix, revert to the old chain
mircea_popescu: anywhere but away from the point that devs fucked up
mircea_popescu: i love the various people on bitcointalk trying to move the conversation
Bowjob: i thoguht its solved already
smickles: now the 'right' one is trying to catch up
smickles: they mined on the 'wrong' one for some time b/f peeps realized there was a problem
smickles: yeah, gotta love all those peeps encouraging the pool ops to mine blocks larger than 250k b/c of SD
mircea_popescu: let me guess... so the longer chain is the wrong one. because that's why it's longer
smickles: the orphaned chain is the 'right' one
kakobrekla: well bitbet seems to be on the right one
smickles: you've got it backwards tho
mircea_popescu: and if they move back in they're 400 btc out.
mircea_popescu: because they have no incentive not to.
mircea_popescu: and my point is, they will continue to do so.
dub: double whammy there