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midnightmagic: Then do it. Do
the work
that
the devs can't or won't, and build
the spec.
midnightmagic: It is for
those exact reasons why
the need is great for heterogency in client implementations.
Thus, I say you should do it. Create an alternative implementation and go for it.
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: I would say, good on you for ignoring
those people.
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: And I know of no examples of people who are interested in
the Badge: "I
tell everybody I'm mircea's friend and reap benefits
thereby."
mircea_popescu: the problem is
that some people ran off with
their c++ hairball implementation of what
they call civil discourse
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: You don't have
to be friends with someone
to engage in civil discourse.
mircea_popescu: no dude. you are
telling me
that some vanitous idiots would like
the benefit of claiming we're friends
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: Look, I'm
telling you dude.
The more you rant,
the more you are going
to alienate people who would otherwise be much more interested in supporting your point of view.
mircea_popescu: someone should make htsp and
then have inane specifications
midnightmagic: benkay: <sarcasm>How helpful of you. I bow
to your mighty helpfulness.</sarcasm>
midnightmagic: benkay: How helpful of you. I bow
to your mighty helpfulness.
benkay: you might want
to read polimedia
midnightmagic: I'm not going
to defend
the bitcoin developers. I'm just interested in what motivates your incredible.. determination..
to rant and attack so endlessly.
mircea_popescu: i note you picked
the stylistical out of
that list. do address
the lag and
the other point sometime.
midnightmagic: Lots of
things. I can't possibly imagine which subset of
the whole you are referring
to.
mircea_popescu: what has
the successful attack recently demonstrated ?
mircea_popescu: and if you
think
the pools are currently securing anything you're pretty much in
the raging psychopath group yourself.
midnightmagic: I'm saying, "PHP is bad" is just another form of "no
true scotsman"
mircea_popescu: tyvm.
the approximate sum value of your list is epslion.
midnightmagic: And users who "support"
them. Including
the biggest exchange, most of
the smaller exchanges,
the major developers,
the cryptographers who review
the work done,
the pools who secure
the blockchain, and
the hardware builders springing up
to do so who have already made strong
ties with
the *current* development
team.
mircea_popescu: they're kids because
their window
to man up and "we fucked up, yes" has by now closed.
mircea_popescu: the reasonable will follow.
the "they
think are reasonable" will continue in
the sort of fanboish obscurity
they enjoy.
mircea_popescu: what i am doing is i am dividing
the group of bitcoin supporters, by
taking away bitcoin.
midnightmagic: 15:59 < mircea_popescu> midnightmagic i am interested in attracking ACTUAL reasonable people, as opposed
to
the self proclaimed variety.
mircea_popescu: bitcoin is NOT
the group of idiots
that identify with it
midnightmagic: Again,
the difference here is
that I am actually
trying
to communicate, and you are
trying
to be contradictory.
midnightmagic: You are
the one who claimed you are interested in dividing bitcoin, and on one side "ACTUAL reasonable people". You are
the one who defined it.
mircea_popescu: wouldn't
this be by definition something i'd know better
than you
then ?
mircea_popescu: you are
telling me about
the minute characteristics of a set you can't let alone define other
than by reference
to me, but even nominally identify in no matter how small a part ?
midnightmagic: Whoever it is you
think will make your attempt at dividing bitcoin successful.
midnightmagic: Obviously
the devs
themselves aren't going
to bother participating in your alternative.
midnightmagic: Since when did I call
the bitcoin devs reasonable?
mircea_popescu: you call
this reasonable ? dude, srsly. just becasuse your friends
tell you you're pretty doesn't make you easier on
the eyes
than
the average shaved donkey butt
mircea_popescu: "you people fucked up" "please stop
telling us we fucked up because :
midnightmagic: So build
the alternative already. Hire
the cryptographers, coders, project managers, QA staff, and release engineering departments you
think are so cheap and visionless on
their own. If you
think
this alternative will win, build it and let it win.
mircea_popescu: similarities are by definition subject
to
this suspicion.
jurov: lol my question was understood
the other and
third way around
mircea_popescu: midnightmagic you should at some point consider
that
the similarities you perceive are more a function of dirt on your lens
than actual object of observation.
midnightmagic: jurov: I have seen
this happen before with RealSolid.
jurov: midnightmagic can you name some of
the angry raging psychopaths
that were attracted
to mp?
mircea_popescu: dub
there's plenty of self proclaimed reasonable people
there
dub: and since
there is a distinct lack of reasonable humans involved in bitcon dev...
mircea_popescu: midnightmagic i am interested in attracking ACTUAL reasonable people, as opposed
to
the self proclaimed variety.
midnightmagic: Much of what you're saying is precisely what
the microcash guy was saying.
midnightmagic: Reasonable humans will be
turned off why your acidity. Are you seriously interested in attracting angry raging psychopaths?
mircea_popescu: smickles it's why i never do
that, fucking hell i get
them wrong half
the
time
mircea_popescu: if people have enough sense,
they'll persuade
themselves.
mircea_popescu: i am interested in splitting any group into
two,
the sensible and
the worthless
mircea_popescu: i wouldn't bet much on
the future of anyone
that
thinks
they can stand up
to my acerbic. but hey, your money, your vote.
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: Have you ever considered
the possibility
that, if you want
to actually convince people, being less ascerbic is vastly more effective
than more?
mircea_popescu: this posturing and delusions of self importance will simply bring
them more asskicking.
mircea_popescu: he wants
to
talk, he'd better sit his sweet ass down and
talk.
mircea_popescu: "give us more money so coinlab can float it on
top of whatever it gets from users"
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: Have you considered
the possibility
that he himself is not interested in being listed on bitcoin.org ?
midnightmagic: even
the stuff he does
that doesn't make it in provides backdrop for
the stuff
that does.
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: I have no idea what you're
talking about now.
mircea_popescu: lukejr would love
to be a developer, but he's mostly a useless contributor.
mircea_popescu: midnightmagic listen up : you folks don't get
to change
things just by power of friendship which is magic.
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: Whatever it says
there is irrelevant if a huge amount of his work makes it into
the codebase.
benkay: ah, so
that's how it works
today.
dub: dont people
tend
to generate a lot of addresses in advance fot his
type of
thing?
mircea_popescu: you have
to keep
the privkeys of all adresses you receive btc in
midnightmagic: the dev
team effectively includes luke-jr, and a massive amount of work he has done makes it into bitcoind
benkay: jonathan assia also says interesting
things on
the bitcoinx dev list
benkay: can't you spend from
the master key?
benkay: is it necessarily
true
that
the wallet has
to bloat?
smickles: ha! you make spelling errors
too!
mircea_popescu: i on
the other hand haven't mastered
the mysteries of spelling berkeley
mircea_popescu: as we know, devteam hasn't mastered
the mysteries of configuring berkley
mircea_popescu: i could just ask you generate addresses, bloat your wallet
to 5gb
benkay: wait for confirmations on spend
to new address
benkay: we
tie address
to user account