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mircea_popescu: this is
the crux of
the issue. community gave you
teh equity,
pigeons: they went
to
the forum said give us money and we'll build some asics
then
they built
them
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: I'm misrepresenting
that you often draw conclusions from insufficient evidence?
mircea_popescu: how did avalon get
their money
to start
this business ?
mircea_popescu: midnightmagic you're misrepresenting
the issue by clinging
to
this sidepoint.
pigeons: your really misinformed on
this one mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: the appearing/dissapearing mystery miner people kept
thinking was asicminer ?
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: If
that is, indeed, what he's done,
that sucks. I don't see any evidence for
them mining
their own hardware (difficulty spiked only on delivery as per users self-reporting,) but
then you
tend
to jump
to conclusions a lot (as per your assertion
that gmaxwell wanted
to steal rich peoples' money, because you didn't grok multisig, for example,) so why let
the lack of facts get in
the way
this
time?
pigeons: gonna have
to have more
than
that
pigeons: seriously, someone reported dust means
they mined when
the evidence seems
to show
they didnt
pigeons: midnightmagic: i mean when avalon said
that batch 1 had shipped please pay for batch 2 and 2 weeks later
they said ok now we're shipping batch 1 i guess
they werent caught at customs like we said
pigeons: mircea_popescu: omg dust inside. where are you getting
they mined with
them. doesnt seem
they did
mircea_popescu: granted, i don't go by
the very superficial approach most people seem
to use.
dub: giving dates when he knows
they wont be met
midnightmagic: pigeons: Do you mean
the fact
that
they're still not done
the B1 shipments?
mircea_popescu: well pigeons, something like
this basically : "Avalon
took interest-free fiat-denominated loans from silly white westerner peoples, built
their rigs, used
them
to mine a little (as people were reporting dust inside
their units upon delivery) and eventually decided
to not deliver at all anymore, just keep
the miners and mine for
themselves."
pigeons: wait what did he do unethical?
The
thing I'm aware of is lying about having shipped when
they hadn't
mircea_popescu: so you still view him as "one of
the most ethical businesspeople I’ve seen in a long
time" ?
midnightmagic: Or is it
that when someone else makes money, you have a problem with
that?
midnightmagic: I don't really care
that he's upped
the price. With a machine
that pays for itself in less
than 5 days (with luck) why would he not?
midnightmagic: He reversed designs of BFL and gave
the information
to
the public.
This is
the evidence on which I based my opinion
that he was
the most ethical hardware manufacturer.
mircea_popescu: because his devilish little plan was
to get a bunch of people
to vouch for him.
midnightmagic: He refused
to allow mass-purchase of his designs, and when he
took preorders for Avalon, he refused
to allow single parties
to buy up
the entire stock.
midnightmagic: Indeed. ngzhang's Icarus designs were available
to anyone, including open-sourced fpga bitstream, pcb layouts, BOM, and supporting software.
mircea_popescu: but irrespective, how's
the ngzhang integrometer
these days ?
midnightmagic: Oh did you ask me questions
that I never answered?
mircea_popescu: you get 5 free a week, iirc, so you can
take solace in
the fact
that
the articles quoting you are free. it's
the others
that go
ten
to
the penny.
midnightmagic: Did you quote me again in a paid article
this
time?
pigeons: that's not going
to get you your coffee in canada invitation re extended
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jcpham: i can't listen anything
that person says
jcpham: if usagi from
the forum is
the person from
the youtube video i was watching
pigeons: "You strike me as someone who has
the sight. So. Buy a little
today, buy a little
tomorrow.
pigeons: "No one knows where
the price is going next week or next month but if you have vision, you can predict what is going
to happen next. "
mircea_popescu: pigeons
that issue has been hotly debated since last year
pigeons: i used
to
think usagi was just stupid, but
this sounds evil
pigeons: yeah
thats for people who use banks
toffoo: they have ACH withdrawal
too
pigeons: yeah i used
them saw
the writing on
the wall a few weeks ago when
their one usd withdraw method, aurumxchange vouchx wouldnt work because
they didnt have any reserves with aurum anymore
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jcpham: [\\\]
thanks you've
turned my world upside down
jcpham: whats
this japanese obsession
Diablo-D3: come on, Gandalf, we're going
to mount gox!
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: I MUST FIND
THIS PLACE
Diablo-D3: where is
this place where bitcoins are circlulated/stored?
mircea_popescu: This is working as of March 19th 2013 and if you wish
to double you can simply send any whole amount
to bitcoin address:
mircea_popescu: for BOTH receiver and sender
to certain bitcoin rcv address programmed into
the algorithm."
mircea_popescu: "For
those of you
that are aware of
the digital currency Bitcoin:
There has been discovered an exploit
that utilizes a series of computers on an "isolated from
the internet" back-network
that participates in intercepting
the data stream where
the bitcoins are circulated/stored.
The backnet of PC's run a series of algorithms
that have
the net effect of doubling
the bitcoin amount sent
to certain addresses.
This happens
Diablo-D3: Tesla, Son of God, Lord of
the Cosmos, Savior of Science, etc etc probably built
those in his sleep
mircea_popescu: and while some on
the forum may stil lhave a little btc left,
traffic is a diff matter.
jcpham: i want one of
those cars
jcpham: this seems very much
tied
to
tesla voodoo
Diablo-D3: it'd double
their runtime in
their cars
Diablo-D3: but imagine if
Tesla had access
to a 99+% efficient motor
jcpham: they keep going back
to
that freaking chart
jcpham: and
the explanation makes no sense
to me
Diablo-D3: I wish all motors, dc converters, and generators were
that efficient
jcpham: because
the
two are related
jcpham: to
the
torroids and
the motor windings
jcpham: i'm really
trying
to understand
the jump from
the bullshit charts
Diablo-D3: they get like 99+% efficiency and
think its overunity
Diablo-D3: jcpham: all
they end up doing is inventing hyperefficient motors, generators, and other shit like
that
Diablo-D3: jcpham:
theres been a lot of people who've
tried
that
Diablo-D3: jcpham: Im
thinking it has a large amount of bullshit or it depends on a function of quantum physics _no one_ understands
kakobrekla: mircea_popescu well its burried on
the bottom of
the faq
pigeons: these
tedtalks are better
than
the real oness
mircea_popescu: obviously bitbet absent. amusingly, i imagine it's paid a good chunk of
total referals ever paid in btc
Diablo-D3: jcpham: yeah, but when do
they start
thinking with porals?
pigeons: how do you
tell youtube
to give you html5
jcpham: engineers were not
thinking fractals in
the 40's
kakobrekla: ohh now i can finally asseble my
timeflux capacitor
Diablo-D3: even
the highly
theoretical stuff might be commercial in
the next 20-30 years
Diablo-D3: now, presumably, it really is all
true
jcpham: i've enjoyed a good many of
the
talks
jcpham: well
they called it bullshit
Diablo-D3: jcpham:
TED is pretty neat isnt it