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Framedragger: mircea_popescu: sure, i see your point regarding implicit assumptions in "instant messaging" etc.; but on a technical point, they allow for pfs through 'session secrets' without having a bunch of pre-computed keys (unknown status of distaste @ these terms here)
mircea_popescu: there's a lot of these strands of cocktopus stuck in each and every pie. how do you have "democratic" syria ? turns out that you don't - you either have "democratic" yet-another-flyover-state ; or else syria.
mircea_popescu: this isn't just a happenstance. while it's probably not deliberately constructed, it's nevertheless a CONSTRUCT. ie, part of a culture, which depends on it.
asciilifeform: it is a sort of inverse of the parable with the rabbi who tells schmuck to 'put in the goat and the sheep, in your house, then slowly expel them'
asciilifeform: this is a heuristic you can take straight to the bank.
a111: Logged on 2016-07-17 21:46 asciilifeform: writing 'open' whatevers for a machine where a closed radio has dma to the whole bus, is a laugh
Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-17#1504382 << this is actually a well-compressed rebuttal which shall be employed in the future. ☝︎
asciilifeform: lel, 'anonymous' on a device that relies on accurate positional fix to even work at all.
mircea_popescu: the derpage of people pretending to do their copmputing on "smart" phones is, to my eyes, way the fuck more ridiculous than the attempt to you know, make a "small kernel"
mircea_popescu: a phone is, definitionally, NOT a computer. nor can it be, and arguably should not be.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform imagine for a second such a thing as a proper controlled-by-owner-computer phone existed.
asciilifeform: the whole dma thing is a riot.
asciilifeform: ditto 'open' os for a pc where closed gpu has dma.
asciilifeform: writing 'open' whatevers for a machine where a closed radio has dma to the whole bus, is a laugh ☟︎
mircea_popescu: this idea of "my machine" has serious problems when you're discussing a phone
mircea_popescu: Framedragger historically, location contracts come with a key for the actual owner.
mircea_popescu: depends. the latter makes a better story for burning man.
asciilifeform: there is waste, and then there is waste: to ask gurl out is one thing, to persist in fucking a hole in a tree and praying to odin to turn it into a girl, unlike the last 9,999 times the hole was fucked, is quite another.
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: a good thing to remember, hm!
a111: Logged on 2016-07-17 21:38 mircea_popescu: it is safe to say the result of a life dedicated to science will idem be "pile of shit"
mircea_popescu: anyway. while the situation is dire, no contest - the solution will be of the nature of a SOLUTION. ie, applying solvent.
asciilifeform: and even very humble iotrons are undocumented. last year i did an experiment, tried to find a NIC that is 1) still in production 2) has NO MAGIC BLOBS ANYWHERE. result: 0
asciilifeform: worse yet, there are at least a dozen incompatible arms.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that is not necessarily a germane point. no extant arm requires you to NOT write your fucking own.
mircea_popescu: it is safe to say the result of a life dedicated to science will idem be "pile of shit" ☟︎
asciilifeform: because 1) even more of a monoculture than x86 - ALL extant arms use licensed opaque chip library blob,
Framedragger: asciilifeform: do you think arm is by now a pit of hell, too? it *is* much more RISKy after all, designs clearer and well documented (iirc?) etc
Framedragger: asciilifeform: ...sooo, you're certain it'd be pointless to attempt a small sane kernel for *existing* intel and/or arm madness? (i assume the answer is "yes", but just to be certain..)
BingoBoingo: Utility of delay depends on what you are doing. If you want to counter beastly machine torque with man and a length of pipe, you're going to need some warning.
Framedragger: BingoBoingo: true that. or are you implying that delay is sometimes a good thing? (sure is - now if only the user had a choice in the matter of a predictable delay!) but, yeah; it adds to the insult, methinks
a111: Logged on 2016-07-17 17:34 asciilifeform: 'In all likelihood, there was no change at all to the labor-intensiveness, but the labor was more "fun" for a certain class of people. Now, industrious retards can be a horrible thing. Over a number of years, close to a decade, Perl accreted bits and pieces from programming languages and became usable in lieu of a programming language by people who lacked the mental wherewithall to do programming. Tinkerers, repairers, handymen, th
a111: Logged on 2016-07-17 17:20 asciilifeform: anywhere other than ~equator, a block of flats without a boiler, plumbing, and radiators, is quite analogous to the c-machine
asciilifeform: or is it more of a general-purpose 'you suck'
asciilifeform: 'Mr Vancel said the men were shooting at each other before the officers arrived. "This was not a 'come at police' situation they weren't targeting the police at first - I don't assume so - because these were men out here shooting at each other in an empty parking lot until the police showed up and it turned into a gun battle," he added.' << lel ☟︎☟︎
asciilifeform: the message, loud and clear, to 'software industry', from the greybears who are the only thing that presently stands between the 'civilized' world and zimbabwe, is: 'kindly die in a fire, nobody needs yer 'progress'.'
asciilifeform: ^ one in a series of many similar lulticles, which neglect to mention the inconvenient fact that folks use mechanical tabulators, vaxen, 8-inch floppies, SOLELY BECAUSE the available alternatives are microshit and drepper
asciilifeform: 'Stanley Quayle, a computer emulation consultant, has seen contractors desperate to find the parts they need. "I have a prospective customer supporting a U.S. missile defense system that is buying parts on eBay," says Quayle. "Any parts they do find are as old or older than their system," meaning they’re sometimes no more reliable than the pieces they replace.'
asciilifeform: 'Sparkler Filters of Conroe, Texas, prides itself on being a leader in the world of chemical process filtration. If you buy an automatic nutsche filter from them, though, they’ll enter your transaction on a “computer” that dates from 1948.'
asciilifeform: about as achievable for most folks as a stint in the reactor business.
mircea_popescu: usually a stay in an actual wealth management business cures this nonsense. what do you mean "what does corporation XYZ do ?! are you insane ? it doesn't DO anything, it's a fucking notational convention."
a111: Logged on 2016-07-17 16:48 asciilifeform: srsly, 'whatsapp' ?! i will give half a fuck about 'whatsapp' right after i go to shanghai and learn the best ways of cooking gutter oil.
asciilifeform: for the record, the only direction with real promise in small arms field is 'gyrojet', where the rifled and tempered barrel is unnecessary, given a self-rotating projectile, small and quite easily-made rocket
asciilifeform: 'i will sell machine that makes banned rifle part X' but no contemplation of 'so they'll ban part Y which my machine cannot make', or 'why not design a Z which can be made by hand' etc.
asciilifeform: this is a very typical, incidentally, 'hopeful' fella as per Framedragger's http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-17#1504193 ☝︎
asciilifeform: e.g., why make the complex ar15 receiver, when one could design a much simpler stamped (or waterjet-cut, etc) item that would take the same barrels;
asciilifeform: these items, including most of what a modern-day programmer is familiar with, are not part of a healthy ecosystem, any more than the various fungi growing on an aids patient are normal parts of human body.
asciilifeform: e auto mechanics of the IT industry, all flocked to Perl because they could tinker so well with it with no required knowledge or skills. Thus was "programmering performed by tinkerers" born as a concept, and the tinker toys of the unskilled became better and better.'
asciilifeform: 'In all likelihood, there was no change at all to the labor-intensiveness, but the labor was more "fun" for a certain class of people. Now, industrious retards can be a horrible thing. Over a number of years, close to a decade, Perl accreted bits and pieces from programming languages and became usable in lieu of a programming language by people who lacked the mental wherewithall to do programming. Tinkerers, repairers, handymen, th ☟︎
asciilifeform: software would be a thing that is written, for particular application, once, and still used, bitwise-verbatim, 50 years later.
asciilifeform: the standard argument in favour of c-machine, 'transistors have a cost', holds 0 water: the modern cpu is nothing like pdp11, and has plenty of transistors wasted on idiot epicycles to paper over the retardation, e.g., page table, tlb cache, etc
asciilifeform: where instead of a hardwarized and guaranteed-correct array allocator, bignumatron, etc., there are 10,001 tiny ad-hoc pieces of shit, like the little space heaters, melting carpets, starting fires when you so much as blink
asciilifeform: anywhere other than ~equator, a block of flats without a boiler, plumbing, and radiators, is quite analogous to the c-machine ☟︎
asciilifeform: http://trilema.com/2016/cargo-cults-a-case-study <<
asciilifeform: stack is shit on a ~conceptual~ rather than ~implementation~ level.
asciilifeform: this is a broad subject and i will not attempt to further summarize here, i have an entire www devoted to it.
asciilifeform: other ingredients include vtronics (every line has a sworn and cryptoauthenticated author),
Framedragger: sure, open source culture is mostly a pile of crap, with little to no reflection on the culture *itself*, hard to disagree with you here. ☟︎
asciilifeform: the entire subject, of software as a cultural product, as opposed to a disembodied thing floating unanchored in possibility-space, is discussed ~nowhere else.
Framedragger: (well to be true, 'throw away openssl' has been seriously contemplated by any a folk recently, i would wager a guess. but perhaps much less so with the latter, sure.) ☟︎
asciilifeform: 'hopeful' folks are a dime a dozen.
asciilifeform: and with 'open source software' stack as a culture.
asciilifeform: the airgap thing is a cargo cult. sorta like proposing to prevent ALL disease by washing hands.
asciilifeform: 'TFC-CEV is a high assurance encrypted messaging system that operates on top of existing IM clients. The free and open source software is used in conjunction with free hardware to protect users from passive eavesdropping, active MITM attacks and remote CNE practised by organized crime and state-level adversaries.'
asciilifeform: Framedragger: pgp is a sad, duct-tape-laden thing, as discussed on plenty of occasions in the logz. but the proliferation of psyop 'alternatives' casts it in a surprisingly good light.
asciilifeform: as for 'real time', there is this marvelous device known as... a clock
Framedragger: (i do realize i'm invoking a tu quoque of sorts)
asciilifeform: srsly, 'whatsapp' ?! i will give half a fuck about 'whatsapp' right after i go to shanghai and learn the best ways of cooking gutter oil. ☟︎
Framedragger: it was probably the about page where you ranted about how you were sitting in $lecture thinking about a generic associative notation system etc etc, and realizing it's a slippery slope to hell and you need to implement a lisp machine
Framedragger: it's quite alright without being too unique/revolutionary. e.g. https://maqp3d.wordpress.com/2015/09/28/whatsapp-vs-textsecure-a-closer-look-at-axolotl/
asciilifeform: looks like a snore thus far
a111: Logged on 2016-02-07 23:56 maqp: so a secure communication system with no anonymity between peers, no secrecy, no integrity and no authenticity unless all peers are trustworthy
asciilifeform: was good for a number of lulz
asciilifeform: Framedragger: he appeared in #b-a pre-schism
mircea_popescu: famously, gun cotton was actually discovered by guy who accidentally poured a bottle of nitric acid on table.
mircea_popescu: had a quart bottle of ether, also.
mircea_popescu: i had a quart bottle.
asciilifeform: they really ought to make it as a bipartite thing
mircea_popescu: hey, i made nitrocellulose in my kiddy lab, the "unstable as all fuck" thing was a bonus
asciilifeform: goes off, as ~everyone probably knows by now, on its own, when it feels like it, but this is a minor detail to room temperature iq 'l33337 jihad d00dz'
mircea_popescu: it's been huge in the luxury/perfume market for a while now.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i neither agree nor disagree, i did not know for a fact whether the fella on the bus was 'math bum' or not. simply that the thought came to me, 'erdos'
mircea_popescu: it'll be a sad day for unintentional comedy when that muppet finally has enough of being milked for lulz and crawls back into whatever hole he came from.
mircea_popescu: and presumably he had a @goodpeople.org email address because at some point was good people.
asciilifeform: usg will pay generous pensions to 'piss christ' artists, 'sjw', lafond's hood rats, and other vermin, but ~not a penny for mathematics
mircea_popescu: absolutely run of the mill mitm attack - you credit erdos' ip, which results in a market for "erdos-like ips" which people buy FOR THE REASON that they ARE NOT erdos ; but wish nevertheless to get your packets sent over as if they were.
asciilifeform: once i saw police pulling one kicking, screaming, off a bus, he had hungarian accent
mircea_popescu: then they do these movement patters, like decerebrated chickens. and you wonder wtf happened here, this fine looking gentleman of a respectable age hasn't mastered the basics requisites of a 12 yo ?
mircea_popescu: it is fraud, essentially, he goes about the town pretending he';s a person. he's not a person, he's barely qualified to be a canary.
mircea_popescu: if you're a beggar, at fifty, no nothing, first of all you have no business going in a shop ; and second of all you have no business wearing shoes.
mircea_popescu: yes, but not at the same time dress like a professor. or, for that matter, by a fifty year old white male.
asciilifeform: hey, when i worked at the godforsaken shithole with the homomorphic crud, nearby there was a furniture shop where you could buy a $30 lamp on layaway.
mircea_popescu: elder gent in front of me, dressed like uni professor / actor / whatever, put a 750 peso (~60 dollar) purchase ON AN INSTALLMENT PLAN!
mircea_popescu: just, if you press them, they can not produce a six dollar bill out of their pockets ; and purchases over 20 dollars DEFINITELY go on the credit card.
mircea_popescu: (this is a fortune, for argentines)
mircea_popescu: that may be, but this was a bunch of student vagrant chicks who own one pair of underwear and somehow spent 250 pesos to be there.
asciilifeform: and a rock band thing
asciilifeform: the toft thing was also on a flat stage in some rathole theatre
mircea_popescu: the seating was arranged in layers, like on a stadium. the dancing was to happen on a fucking university stage.
asciilifeform: was a snore?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yesterday i stormed out of a PACKED VENUE ("teatro cubo") where a "urban shock" dance troupe was going to perform.